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DJ's left nut 02-29-2024 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Womble (Post 17422552)
He is running backwards with one hand on the turf to keep his balance. He should have gone down the instant he started going backwards because there was no avenue to escape. Watch it again, he's hardly been forced backwards by the defenders and it's totally on him that we lost those 10 yards.

Rearview mirror analysis.

Again, same guy who used second effort to pick up a massive first down last season. It was an effort play that didn't work out.

Trying to barbecue him for it is silly. When guys make that play and find a seam, we sing their praises. When they dont because they have only so much vision out there in real time and the play is unfolding, we hold them to the standard of Madden View omniscience.

Womble 02-29-2024 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17422565)
Rearview mirror analysis.

Again, same guy who used second effort to pick up a massive first down last season. It was an effort play that didn't work out.

Trying to barbecue him for it is silly. When guys make that play and find a seam, we sing their praises. When they dont because they have only so much vision out there in real time and the play is unfolding, we hold them to the standard of Madden View omniscience.

I just think these takes are a bit OTT with people comparing him to Frank Clark etc. In the playoffs for KC in the last 2 years he did what you would expect an average to below average WR would do. Comparing his average playoff performances to a player that's third all time in postseason sacks is dumb imo. He upped his game from downright terrible to okay.

DJ's left nut 02-29-2024 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Womble (Post 17422574)
I just think these takes are a bit OTT with people comparing him to Frank Clark etc. In the playoffs for KC in the last 2 years he did what you would expect an average to below average WR would do. Comparing his average playoff performances to a player that's third all time in postseason sacks is dumb imo. He upped his game from downright terrible to okay.

Asking a free agent acquisition who was paid like an average Free Agent WR to set post-season records is equally dumb.

And comparing the bar we set for him to a guy who was, at one point, the highest paid defensive player in the NFL (and who also cost us a 1st and 3rd round pick to acquire) is beyond nonsensical. Especially when MVS wasn't a guy who was quitting on plays and drinking himself into regular season irrelevance.

Another MVS contract/output would be fine. Nothing great, nothing catastrophic. Mildly disappointing at worst.

Another Frank Clark debacle simply isn't something we can do and continue to be successful with Mahomes now costing real money and many of our younger players now seeking contracts.

Womble 02-29-2024 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17422585)
Asking a free agent acquisition who was paid like an average Free Agent WR to set post-season records is equally dumb.

And comparing the bar we set for him to a guy who was, at one point, the highest paid defensive player in the NFL (and who also cost us a 1st and 3rd round pick to acquire) is beyond nonsensical. Especially when MVS wasn't a guy who was quitting on plays and drinking himself into regular season irrelevance.

Another MVS contract/output would be fine. Nothing great, nothing catastrophic. Mildly disappointing at worst.

Another Frank Clark debacle simply isn't something we can do and continue to be successful with Mahomes now costing real money and many of our younger players now seeking contracts.

I'm not the one who was originally comparing him to Frank Clark dude. I'm pointing out he obviously shouldn't be in that conversation and that some people on here are making that comparison which I find ridiculous.

And I agree that MVS was fine for us.

FloridaMan88 02-29-2024 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 17422544)
Toney is at least a NFL level athlete, Skyy Moore has no reason to keep a roster slot after camp.

I’d be willing to keep Toney around as nothing more than a punt/kicker returner.

That becomes his entire focal point.

O.city 02-29-2024 11:57 AM

I wouldn't waste a roster spot for a returner.

Let someone else do it.

jettio 02-29-2024 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 17421939)
I feel like his release now means he wouldn't take a pay cut. I have to believe that Veach offered him a restructured deal, but based on his entire two seasons of play and not just based on playoff performances, and MVS said no.

He thinks he is better than he actually is, but he helped us get 2 more rings, so good luck to him.

I have said this for two years, MVS is the slowest 4.3 player ever, and he is the smallest 6'4" player ever. He didn't play fast, and he didn't play big. Let's get a true big receiver.

That is not a valid conclusion.

There is no benefit to the team or the player to negotiate a pay cut after the Super Bowl and the beginning of the next league year.

If there is any mutual interest between the team and the player, there would still be a release off the current contract before the next league year.

You are making all these assumptions about being offered a restructure and what Veach says and what MVS says. That's bullshit.

MahomesMagic 02-29-2024 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17422614)
I’d be willing to keep Toney around as nothing more than a punt/kicker returner.

That becomes his entire focal point.

No.

Toney is done here.


Sign Devin Duvernay as the KR/PR and he plays WR better than almost anyone we had last year as well.

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GloryDayz 02-29-2024 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17422674)
I wouldn't waste a roster spot for a returner.

Let someone else do it.

I tend to agree. Given the NFL's propensity to so frequently find some silly bullshit penalty on returns, almost like they're trying to get rid of kickoffs and punts, I think having a returner who knows when to fair-catch the ball or let it go out-weighs the few times a season when the return is amazing. And FAR too often these returners have the "I'm going to be an impact player" mentality. No thanks...

FloridaMan88 04-05-2024 08:15 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chargers are interested in former Chiefs WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling, per ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler.</p>&mdash; Farzin Vousoughian (@Farzin21) <a href="https://twitter.com/Farzin21/status/1776369751297765882?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mephistopheles Janx 04-06-2024 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17473075)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chargers are interested in former Chiefs WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling, per ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler.</p>&mdash; Farzin Vousoughian (@Farzin21) <a href="https://twitter.com/Farzin21/status/1776369751297765882?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I hope it is the Pyongyang Chargers in North Korea.

wazu 04-06-2024 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17473075)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chargers are interested in former Chiefs WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling, per ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler.</p>&mdash; Farzin Vousoughian (@Farzin21) <a href="https://twitter.com/Farzin21/status/1776369751297765882?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Outstanding. Please also take Hardman. Pretty sure I can rely on the Chargers to not trade either of them back to us mid-season.

Womble 04-06-2024 09:32 AM

If this happens it will be quite the sight watching MVS hilariously attempt to catch all of those needlessly rapid 80mph Herbert passes.

Rainbarrel 04-06-2024 10:12 AM

Catching medicine balls on that turf will have out with a tailbone mid season

In58men 04-06-2024 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17422753)
No.

Toney is done here.


Sign Devin Duvernay as the KR/PR and he plays WR better than almost anyone we had last year as well.

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No he’s not lol

chiefzilla1501 04-06-2024 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Womble (Post 17473506)
If this happens it will be quite the sight watching MVS hilariously attempt to catch all of those needlessly rapid 80mph Herbert passes.

I’m glad somebody called it out. Why does nobody ever call Herbert out for this? The guy routinely throws 100 mph line drives to receivers standing right next to him.

Although it isn’t the worst move for LA because Herbert is more willing to throw a “**** it chuck it” deep ball than mahomes is.

Easy 6 04-06-2024 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Womble (Post 17422591)
I'm not the one who was originally comparing him to Frank Clark dude. I'm pointing out he obviously shouldn't be in that conversation and that some people on here are making that comparison which I find ridiculous.

And I agree that MVS was fine for us.

Hey!

Where's that damn food thread?

You're a proud Brit, show us Yanks what we're missing

Coochie liquor 04-06-2024 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 17473758)
Hey!

Where's that damn food thread?

You're a proud Brit, show us Yanks what we're missing

Like Blood Pudding, and Bangers and Mash?


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