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Irv Smith's out at that point, I think. And the other 4...well, I only had one pick and I think I'm inclined to just double down on the organizational capital we have already plowed into Hill and Watkins rather than simply look to layer them already. That could be a bad decision. We shall see. |
Somebody should just pick for the Raiders.
Not to sound like a dick, but if you know you have a pick coming up very soon after you just made one, it shouldn’t take this long. If you’re going to be away for a while just send somebody your top 3-5. |
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Veach is so trading up. I just hope he doesn’t use a 2020 1st to do it.
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Use our first? **** no. But I wouldn't be against using a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year if it's someone elite.
Watch this ****er trade up for Devin White. |
You can't keep trading away first round picks. Especially when the team is about to get really expensive.
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You don't give up two 1st and a 3rd for anyone that isn't a QB, IMO.
Not unless you're getting a truly blue-chip guy. If that could get you into that Allen/Williams/Bosa range then sure, consider it. But not for Burns. I like Burns a lot and think he's the top of the next tier of pass-rushers, but I'm not paying that much for him. That's a ****ing TON. |
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Someone is taking him in the top 5 I'd bet. At worst, he gets to, what, 7? That's so damn far to go. It would cost probably all 6 of your next 1st and 2nd rounders to get there. |
Just give the Raiders the top rated Full Back and move on...
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My comfort level would be 15-20 for a guy like Ferrell.....as long as it doesn't cost a ton of draft picks. |
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Man, **** that. Not for a pass rusher. |
I’d take AJ Brown over Bradbury. With the solid job Reiter filled in last year, I’d go WR over center.
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Watch a guy by the name of LJ Collier from TCU. He’s an intriguing pass rusher
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I'm not real sure where that narrative came from apart from the same folks that said "Hey, Jah Reid was pretty decent when he filled in for Fisher!" because he didn't trip over his feet every snap. He wasn't even an average starting center. He proved himself quality depth and I guess a viable emergency starter if you just cannot do better, but that's a guy who you're looking to replace every single off-season if you're starting him. I'd rather teach Wylie to snap than run for another season with Reiter. I wasn't terribly impressed by him at all. |
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Especially not in their first year. I'd gladly part with one of the 2nds to get the right guy in the 1st. |
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I get that you're gonna have to go cheap somewhere on this team and get production out of and maybe the interior OL is a place for that. It's not where i'd do it, but that's just me. |
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Chiefs get:
Vikings 2019 1st round pick (#18) Trae Waynes, CB Vikings get: Chiefs 2019 1st round pick (#29) Chiefs 2019 5th round pick Chiefs 2020 3rd round pick Cameron Erving, OG Yes? No? |
I think the value, especially in this draft, is to use all four of our draft picks in rounds 1-3. We need the depth and the influx of youth. And I don't think there is anyone in the bottom half of the first round that is a "must get."
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Really would have been nice to have that Dee Ford be the 9ers 2nd this year.
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Yeah, it may not be a bad idea to save some draft/cap capital on the interior OL, but C isn't where I'd choose to do it. |
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Reiter graded out well according to PFF. It’s not the end all obviously but I think he’ll be fine.
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I don't think that gets the Vikings attention though. They're giving up the better player and the better pick in that exchange and getting only a 5th plus the immediate equivalent of a 4th (a likely late one at that). That's a pretty poor return. |
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If the back half of the 1st is effectively a 2nd round caliber player, the 'best' use of the pick is to either trade back and get some piddly ass 4th round return for your efforts (and sacrifice the 5th year option) or trade up into true 1st round caliber player range. I'd absolutely do the latter. |
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Sorry for the delay, I somehow missed the PM that was sent.
The Oakland Raiders select Jachai Polite, EDGE, Florida. |
So with the Raiders three first round picks, they get:
1.4 Quinnen Williams, DT, Alabama 1.24 Byron Murphy, CB, Washington 1.27 Jachai Polite, EDGE, Florida It doesn't fix the defense but sure helps. |
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A 1 and one of our 2s should absolutely get you into the late teens. I think that's right where the 1st round caliber talent drops. Now obviously you gotta find a willing partner via someone that either A) disagrees with you or B) values quantity over quality (as quantity has a quality of its own). But I don't see a way to stack that board where there's simply not a real blue chip kinda guy sitting there in the late teens. It may not be a blue chip 'generational star' kind of player, but that's not a '1st round player', that's a top 5 player. 1st round just means a guy that's capable of starting immediately with the ceiling of an occasional pro-bowler in his best seasons, IMO. By that calculus Bradbury qualified as my last real 1st round caliber player left and that's why I took him. But if you want that caliber player at a more premium position, I think you can still get that in the late teens, especially if the WRs go a little earlier than they've gone in this draft. |
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Our 2nds are both basically 3rds, i'm not sure. |
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It's 6 in one hand, half dozen in the other in terms of what the acquiring team gets. But if the acquiring team is looking for immediate depth, they're better served with the immediate 2nd. And if they insist on next year's 1st I just keep calling the next guy until a deal comes together. |
Protect the MVP.
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You can protect him in round 2 or 3.
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PFF breakdown on Reiter:
268 snaps, 74.2 overall, 81.0 pass blocking, 68.8 run blocking. 3 total pressures (1 sack, 1 hit, 1 hurry), 0 penalties. I still wouldn’t take Bradbury unless he’s truly BPA. I’m all for protecting the MVP, just not at the expense of the defense |
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Who's your guy then? And why is Bradbury + 2nd round WR obviously inferior to Brown + 2nd round C? In the 2nd round you're probably looking at someone like Kelvin Harmon, Deebo Samuel, Emanuel Hall, Riley Ridley or maybe Parris Campbell (though I think his 40 keeps him out of there). I think Isabella is long gone by then, as are the aforementioned 4. At C I think you're looking at MAYBE Elgton Jenkins but more realistically Connor McGovern. So why is, say, AJ Brown and Connor McGovern a clearly better duo than say Garrett Bradbury and Deebo Samuel? I don't think it's readily apparent that it is? And if it isn't, shouldn't the larger amount of draft capital go to the position that's presently in worse shape? |
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I’m just not a fan of first round OL in general. That’s the root of it for me. |
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DJ's left nut again.
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Well that doesn't make any sense... |
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But admittedly, that's all a wild-ass guess. Nobody expected JuJu to be a stud immediately, nor did they expect pro-bowl caliber play from Morse as a rookie. I simply don't think you can dogmatically say "don't take a C in the 1st round" and that appears to be what you're doing, regardless of the talent of said C. |
And God Dammit SNR, get your ass in here and make a pick so we can stop arguing over hands down the most boringest pick on this entire planet of Earth.
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People need to understand that's it not so easy drafting for the Chiefs in this thing. Everyone wants to take a shot at it....but it ****ing sucks when you're actually doing it.
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STILL, I wouldn't touch him. He's a superb player but we have next to zero passrushing talent, we could use another linebacker, and we could use another corner or two. To say nothing of the fact that we need more receiving talent for when Sammy Watkins inevitably gets cut in 2020. I think I would have been more upset if you had taken a QB. But not by much. This is a pretty lousy pick. That being said, I'm sure you'd trade up if you could. But yeah, this just wasn't what the doctor ordered for this team with a hollowed-out defense. |
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So I'll happily crap all over the Bradbury selection because I've earned my stripes to do so. |
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Not the pick I would have made, but not a bad pick by any means.
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What in the mother of **** did I miss today holy shit...........
That's a hell of a way to get a better defense, draft a player you don't need on the wrong side of the ball. |
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Mahomes still went 36TDs 10INTs 3600yds when Morse was sidelined after JAX game. And just so we're clear, Aaron Donald destroyed everyone last season. I dont mind the Chiefs drafting a C, just not in the first rd when the Chiefs are in dire need of a D rebuild, when the team is starving for help at every level. |
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The Green Bay Packers select Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson
The Packers technically have a nose in Kenny Clark, but... eh, screw it. This guy's worth it. It's not like Kenny Clark is a cemented starter who can't handle moving in or out. BPA on their board, and it's not like the defense is sooooo good. The Packers can also move on from him easier after this season is up. |
With the 31st pick in the NFL Draft, the Los Angeles Rams select Greg Little, OT, Mississippi.
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He's just a warm body that didn't trip over his own feet...often. But beyond the mere need to protect Mahomes is that Reid's offense needs centers that can move in space. Reiter is objectively shitty at that; he's not very athletic at all. It makes him a lousy run blocker and as more teams get an understanding of that it will make him more and more prone to stunts/twists on the interior. Reiter is no sort of long-term position at C. Center is absolutely just as big a short and long-term need as CB, S and DL, moreover the positional depth at ALL of those positions is significantly better than it is at C. The easiest way to ensure that the offense that looks so indestructible now doesn't remain that way is to neglect it. That's how our shithouse defense became a shithouse defense. Because 4 years ago we didn't 'need' defenders so we didn't bother spending any draft capital on them and now that side of the ball is struggling for talent. Quote:
If you aren't even informed enough to know who was actually playing, then you don't merit further discussion. Besides, everyone knows that the greatest compliment anyone can receive on this board is your scorn. The next time you're right about something will be the first. |
Going into the draft with a "were drafting this no matter what" mindset is how you end up trading up for Breeland Speaks.
Don't do that. |
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Watch the guy - his feet suck. That's a serious problem for what Reid wants to do with his lineman and his running game specifically. He is at best marginally more likely to be a viable starting-caliber option at C than Wilson is at Sam. And I think there's an excellent chance Wilson amounts to nothing at all. And at least if Wilson amounts to nothing at all, we don't get the foundation of the franchise hurt in the process. He's a blue chip player on a draft board that was otherwise bereft of them at a position where the Chiefs presently have a question mark. |
kccrow you’re up back to back! Hurry I’m waiting :D
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I'm not in the draft, so if i'm clogging the thread I'll begrudgingly apologize and leave.
But, the deal with taking Bradburry there, is that DJ is making the case that he can get the best C in the draft, a player he views has all pro upside. If he takes a corner, or a safety, he's taking in his view the 4th or 5th rated one on his board. Then later he can take a center that may be the 5th best one he has rated. Then you have the 5th rated CB and the 5th rated C vs the top C (who he sees as a blue chip prospect) and say his 6th rated CB. Now the CB thing isn't ideal, but if my staggered board has 6 and 3 CB not very different, then i'm not better off. Maybe i'm way off in his thinking though. |
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As opposed to the veritable font of wisdom you clearly are. And there aren't a handful of centers who will cost anything less than a 2nd round pick that can point to anything remotely resembling Bradbury's resume or potential. And we know Reid's used a 1st round pick on a guard in the past. If he'll use one on a G, he'll use one on a C. He's already used a 2nd on one and that got all the usual suspects all pissy then as well. |
With the 32nd pick in the 2019 Draft, the New England Patriots select Johnathan Abram, S, Mississippi State
With Patrick Chung looking worse and worse on an annual basis, Bill can't pass on the draft's premier talent at the position. |
With the 33rd pick in the 2019 Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select Juan Thornhill, S, Virginia
After letting Antoine Bethea and Tre Boston walk this offseason, the Cardinals have to start from scratch at safety so they run out and get the draft's most athletic playmaker. |
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My 49ers draft was better though; Lattimore, McCaffrey, Zay Jones, Kendall Beckwith and Julie'n Davenport. 3 starting caliber offensive players and 2 starting caliber defensive guys. Zay Jones is probably gonna nutter himself out of football though. Damn shame we can't do pre-draft interviews... |
I wouldn't be upset with the Chiefs taking Thornhill in the first. Am I stupid?
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