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The last two games, we've played two of the better O-lines in the league, and have been dominated. Dominated might not even be a strong enough word. They were dominated last year in the playoff loss, and dominated the year before in the loss at NE.
It's really hard to know whether it is talent or scheme. For instance, why last year were we able to get pressure on Carr? Another interesting thing: Look how much better Buffalo's defense is after abandoning the Rex Ryan scheme we run. The big issue is that unless our offensive line improves a good deal when healthy, it's hard to see us winning shoot-outs in the playoffs, when we will be facing good offensive lines that will dominate this defense. |
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There are any number of ****ing players on that team that should be in that position instead of Houston. It is ****ing stupid to put your $100 million dollar passrusher as a ****ing spy at the end of the game.
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I agree. Not only were our DBs positioned to make plays, we had multiple DBs positioned to make plays on the same passed ball. That tells me the scheme is good, but the players are not playing as well as NFL DBs need to play when given an opportunity. It also tells me that the Raiders receivers played well. Countering my argument, one could argue that instead of having extra players in coverage, we should be blitzing more. That may be true, but I would need to see a detailed argument that takes into account the relative quality of our pass rushers and the Raiders pass protectors. Coaches are supposed to put players in position to make plays, but it is up to the players to make them. |
Nelson can't get back soon enough, Gaines flat out sucks. I don't care if Hali took a dump on Andy's desk, activate him. Dee Ford is just not getting the job done.
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Dee Ford - 7 plays Justin Houston - 6 plays Chris Jones - 5 plays All others combined - 0 plays |
I am liking the Dorsey firing more and more. We are way to thin at DB and our CB's are really not that good. We have been sticking with some of this project players hoping they would suddenly get better, but they have shown over and over ( looking at you Gaines ) they can't. We need a #1/#2 type CB, to push Mitchell down onto the #3 or #4 WR. That is where he will shine.
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If these performances are any indicator of our Defensive prowess I have a tough time believing he'll keep his job at the end of the season. If Andy is that loyal, which we know he can be, then they better go OLB pass rush beast, ILB/Safety, and CB in the draft. Those are the four positions we need to shore up in the offseason without a doubt.
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One major thing I blame on Sutton is the disguise. He had a few good blitzes that worked effectively, but there was very little pressure put on Carr, which is really weird because everybody knows that Carr folds under pressure.
From what I saw last night, it was simple execution that failed. It's unreal that our DB's can't defend deep passes. |
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Romo brought it up last night on that last drive but our defense was easy as **** to defeat. Two deep safeties? Throw to the middle of the field. Safety creeping up? Throw it deep. |
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Too many receivers running free all game long. The contested plays were bad, but that's what really killed the Chiefs.
I don't know why we don't zone blitz more, like Pittsburgh has always done. You still have to pressure the QB somehow. If you're going to drop Houston, blitz a safety. When does Hali come back? |
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If the opposing team gets close to midfield, they should just chuck it to the end zone every play. Our db's have proven last night and vs Houston that they will either give up the TD or get flagged for PI most of the time
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I thought Greg Robinson was our DC last two weeks.
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Fire Sutton and hire Tony Romo.
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Chargers have a much better defense than we do
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The Raiders game, though, did not seem to me to be like a Greg Robinson defense, which were notable to me for how often Chiefs players in the front 7 were positioned so that they could be easily blocked away from the point of attack. Robinson's schemes were some of the worst I've ever seen from the Chiefs in that regard. Sutton's schemes are not like that. He puts players right at the point of attack. It's just that we have some replacement-level players in our regular lineup, and they aren't making plays. That's the way I see it, at least. I'm not an expert on defensive schemes, just a causal fan who's watched over 40 years of Chiefs football and who played high school ball on the offensive line. |
At least Robinson's defense created turnovers. This defense can't even accomplish that!
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Where's the gofundme link?
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Losing Berry was a big loss. The Raiders exploited our DBs, but we also have other weaknesses on D. Our beloved Derrick Johnson has lost at least a step, if not two.
If we can't shore up the defense for December and January, we'll need an even more explosive offense, We have the skill players on offense to be explosive, though our O-Line is not all that great. All and all, I think the Chiefs could win some games in January, but this team is not one that is liable to make me feel all sad and disappointed. If you don't have the horses, you don't have the horses. I'm not one to blame refs and coaches, especially after rooting for the Chiefs over a nearly five-decades long trophy drought. The organization is fairly mediocre. They ain't Royal. That's for damn sure. |
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What happened to bringing the pressure when you have a late lead and the opponent is deep in their own territory? This has been a staple of Sutton's defense. They had the Raiders at 2-20 and knew he would have to hold the ball for the WRs to get downfield.
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he is a linebacker. He's not going to blitz on every down.
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He's not an ILB like Johnson, who may blitz once or twice agame |
I just can't understand why you pay $50 million to Houston and keep him back in coverage.
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I can't either. Houston on 3rd or game on the line should be after the QB every time.
It's plain stupid any other way. |
How often does Von Miller drop into coverage?
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Maybe Peters was onto something for getting in Sutton's face. |
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Yes, but everyone needs to calm down and quit the "we're imploding" narrative... I'm just enjoying the ride until it's Patrick Mahomes turn... (And in no way is that a slight towards Smith, he has been balling this year) |
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And on the next page of Bob Sutton's playbook...the 11-man drop.
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Could he fire him like Yesterday?
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Sutton is STILL around? Get rid of the bum.
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My brother has been pounding the "NFL=WWF" line for a long time and I've always made excuses.
Maybe it's time to consider the possibility that these guys aren't just clueless idiots? Not sure what's worse to be honest. Manipulation or the realization that the people making your team's (and most others') decisions are buffoons. |
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Just curious, I wasn't trying to defend the shit schemes Sutton is enforcing, but if you're trying to damper my belief that this team couldn't **** anyone up in the playoffs, Well, bye gif |
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Raiders have a few prime time games coming up and a loss would essentially make those meaningless. The wonky officiating/scheduling kind of supports this. The game vs. the Pats in Mexico is very important to the league masters. Their final 6-7 games are brutal...they arent making the play-offs. I still believe KC has been green lighted... |
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He builds watches, not buzzsaws. The Ryan lineage builds buzzsaws. Someone above alluded to it above, when all our premium talent is beasting it's a masterpiece. But pull a few key pieces out and you might as well have a friendship bracelet on your wrist, rather than a $5K Swiss timepiece. It's a variation on Alex's major limitation. Alex executes the things he understands as well or better than anyone, but is a post when presented with novel information. Similarly, Sutton designs a mighty defense when he has everyone he wants at his disposal, but when asked to improvise and fill holes, his plans go wonky. |
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Carr is the rattlingest QB in the game today, reminds me of when we'd crush the souls of the likes of Jeff George, and we gave him a lifetime to make decisions. |
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2016-Houston’s 444 pass-rush attempts ranked sixth in the NFL among outside linebackers, and his pass-rush percentage of 74.9 ― the percentage of times he rushed the passer per passing snap played ― ranked 34th among players at his position. anyone find these for 2017? |
The defense is soft and that's on Sutton. When players embrace "bend but don't break," it's over. They are ok with getting rolled between the 20's. That's not the mentality of a championship defense. We don't force turnovers, and when turnovers are possible, we don't have DB's with ball skills-- especially now that EB is out. Peters is the lone ball hawk, but he's unwilling to tackle. Ford is a joke against the run and DJ has noticeably slowed. The mentality is all wrong to overcome where talent is lacking.
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For whatever reason, our defense this year isn't working. I hope it gets fixed. But let's not pretend Sutton was incompetent from the start. Our defense has carried this team the past 4 years. |
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The posters saying 'fire Sutton' that would be stupid at this point.. Sutton is a good coach. He is well respected throughout the league.. He will adjust... Still plenty of time left for the D to improve. No guarantee it will but no guarantee it won't either. Suttton has had plenty of success here. There is time for him to fix things and make adjustments... Typical CP flip flop... 'Alex Smith only has a good record because of the team surrounding him... Our defense held Steelers to 18-pts..' Our defense looks bad this year 'Fire Sutton.. He sucks!' Well if he sucks then clearly Smitty deserves a lot of credit for winning... Which is it? You guys crack me up... |
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Sutton made in game adjustments in Pitt to bring a bigger defensive front in, which carried over to Oakland. So it looks like he's trying to make adjustments. He just hasn't found the right one yet. We'll see what he does after 11 days to plan for Oakland. Hopefully he sees tape of the siemian debacle last year and figures out a way to stop the pass. |
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And the O-line is in the same mentality boat as the D. They are weak ****s who probably couldn't start on many other winning teams. |
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Time to admit the players are being soft pussies who can't cover routine deep passes, including Marcus Peters.
Not scheme when a routine deep pass is completed or players are not in position to defend and draw DPI. Worst part is they know it's a deep pass. They literally see it coming and suck. Happened vs Washington, in the garbage time Hail Mary's in Houston and now when we ****ing know the Raiders have to pass deep. Bad tackling, bad angles, bad position. That's on the players. |
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Its a combination of breakdowns in fundamentals, and untimely bs penalty calls. Despite the bad calls, KC had mutiple chances to force a punt, and even end the game, if a solid tackle was made. A basic ****ing fundamental. DB’s trying to tackle high and getting driven back 5 yards, linebackers arm tackling or completely whiffing below the knee. Defensive lineman not getting off blocks. Its not a scheme issue, its a do your job issue.
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Lack of basic fundamentals (pass protection, tackling, pressure on Carr) made our defense responsible for not putting the game away.
Alex should have had another TD to put the game away as his "should have been" interception doesn't count except on paper. |
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I will say this, Sutton is loved by offensive players throughout the league. I'm sure they send him gifts at Christmas.
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I don't get it. This defense has been borderline elite under Sutton. We've lost multiple key players and continued to be dominant. Now, all of the sudden he's forgotten how to run a defense? Something just doesn't add up.
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This thread is a great example of why fans dont run teams.
Sutton is frustrating at times but our defense has regularly won us games over the years with him as DC. He hasn't changed, some of the player have. They will get better. |
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I cannot understand why Fisher has hot and cold moments but overall he earns his participation award. C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG Alex Smith 25/36 342 9.5 3 0 1-11 84.9 127.3 36 passes and 1 sack Hmmm yeah they suck big time...NOT FYI these Stats are misleading, they should have a TD removed and an INT added. What did suck was the Defense and it's performance against the pass. They did contain the run as noted above but 29/52 417 8.0 3 0 0-0 84.6 101.2 Oakland ran 73 plays vs our 59.and neither team broke 100 yards rushing. |
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