Kind of reminds me of the rb from the skins

I like the Marshawn Lynch comparisons.

Johnny Football!!! ROFL

His teammates also improved at the senior bowl.

I see a slightly undersized north-south runner who lacks starting RB speed. He does have good balance but I don't think it will matter as much when larger, faster, more polished people are hitting him.

I just don't see skills that are going to translate well because he lacks the physical tools to put them to their best use. He has a great foundation to build a RB on. The problem is all you got is a 1700 sq. foot single story slab. The foundation; vision and balance - isn't gonna get us much IMO. He'll get what is blocked, may occasionally make someone miss and if he finds himself in space he'll get run down within about 15 yards.

I don't see what makes him an appreciably better player than West.

I like Dorsey's first two picks but I ain't compelled to like everything he does. I don't like this pick.

Ageee to disagree. I don't think you have to like the pick, just debating!

Dorsey really really really likes him so I'm going with Dorsey.

Love it....zero fumbles lost is a nice stat in 700+ carries

Thats natural born desire....

Kareem needs more carries

Just seems like we've become "suck Dorseys dick planet" since the Mahomes pick.

He's still gonna miss on occasion and I think the euphoria of the Mahomes pick has people looking for reasons to be laudatory of everything. We have some confirmation bias as a result.

Like, y'know, ignoring the fact that this dude is getting run down from behind by linemen in his HIGHLIGHT film. Suddenly being slow doesn't matter because Priest Holmes wasn't a burner, as though outliers are a good reason to defend a pick. Or even worse, trying to argue that he isn't slow, which is just wrong. I would imagine he'd lose a foot race to Ware and West.

Eh

Its called hope..... Maybe he is more of a ware than a west...?

As long as Hunt doesn't get cut during pre-season (think Russell), it's pretty much a win.....

Russell was a 3rd rounder and he got cut like in the middle of pre-season. That one was a bad pick all around.

If hope replaces analysis, we become the Star board again.

Hope is fine, but getting fired up about a smaller, slower version of Ware - a person who appears to combine the warts of the backfield duo we presently have - just seems strange.

But hey, at least he doesn't fumble.

Its been like 36 hours, i dont think a couple of days of hope is gonna turn this place into the star board....

Who was getting that fired up about Hunt that it caused you concern? Dude weighs 225 ...he isn't some midget 4.2 speed guy , hes got some bulk..it is what it is...

Definitely a "wait and see" for sure. I am not all that excited as well. The backs I really like are as follows"

Elijah McGuire - JC like

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Joe Williams - JC like as well but he quit during the season and then returned.

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Brian Hill - a poor man's Fournette.

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I live there....

When Clay is polishing knob over a slow tailback, I'm gonna take notice.

His weight is interesting in that it varies. I was referring to his SR bowl tape where he was evidently at 210ish and still looked slow.

Put 225 on him and he's Darrin Reaves with better vision. Huzzah.

I heard Hunt caused some missed tackles and has good balance. Can anyone confirm?

This is the time of year for hope and blind devotion, nothing wrong with that

Its not a hot take, but lets wait and see what develops in camp and the preseason

I'm not polishing knob.

It's stupid to dismiss a mid-round pick at RB just because of his 40 time, though. It's not like he runs a 4.75....that would be damnable. 4.6? I bet there are a dozen reasonably effective NFL backs who ran 4.6 coming out.

I trust Dorsey at this position.

You do understand that we have 49 stay overs from the 53 man roster last year. What are we going to do with 9 rooks? Draft and cut? Who cares!

Can't wait to see this kid play.

He ran 4.47 after the combine.

Not every back will be JC or Tyreek. This guy gonna ball.

I'll bet he's close to a 4.7 at 225.

He cut a lot of weight prior to the combine to improve his 40 and got a below average 4.62 for his efforts. At his playing weight, he's probably around 4.7.

The tape backs it - the guy is genuinely slow.

Hes down 30 pounds from then, ran 4.47 after the combine. Had weight issues in college. With a pro conditioning and strength program he will be fine speedwise.

So he'll be West. Yea?

Besides, with his running style the answer isn't 'just cut weight'. He's a one cut, turn upfield kind of runner when he's being effective. He needs to be at 215-220, IMO.

Speed will never be an asset for him.

He did run a 4.62 at the combine.. he also ran a 4.52 at the combine.

No?

Hell be Khunt. Might be same kind of speed as west but guess what.. dude doesnt go down to arm tackles, bullshit tackles, shoulder tackles, or anything else other than a wraparound full on real big boy tackle.

That alone puts him above West.

I'm gonna get shit for this, but his balance, vision and ability to make guys miss remind me of LeVeon Bell, who ran a 4.60 at the combine.

I thought the pick was okay, but after doing some research it looks like he could be off brand LeVeon Bell if he reaches his ceiling.

I can live with that for the allocation of a mid 3rd rd resource.

Seems to me like he's another Priest Holmes. I'd love to have Priest Holmes on this roster.

To me, Hunt seems to have a bit of Marshawn Lynch in him. Tremendous strength, balance and vision with decent, but definitely not elite, speed. Would not surprise me to see this guy ending up as our starter before season's end. Really like this pick!!!

That's the way I see it. I know he was playing at 225lbs, last I heard he was down to 208. Has he dropped anymore weight?

Charles was an extremely rare player.

Dude could get 5 a pop with ANY line.

I didn't say this because it's so easy to look at a guys build and say Priest Holmes!! But he really does remind me of him.

Really excited to revisit this thread in a couple years.

This guy is going to ball.

Years of Jamaal Charles have spoiled us. Reality is, he was really a non-factor the past two seasons and the run game was still respectable.

There are more dynamic runners than Hunt, but one cannot argue his four years of production. Durability and ball security are underrated factors about his game. Getting Hunt where the Chiefs got him fit the projection. Decent if not a solid pick. He will get fantastic coaching from Bieniemy don't forget.

I absolutely love this pick...gonna start from day one, injuries aside.

Wasn't really happy with Tawno, (Project, imo) but this totally makes up for it.

Holmes 2.0.

bigger version of West?

I heard his brother Mike played at OSU in the 80's.

Chiefs need a home run threat to compliment Ware/West and Hunt doesn't seem to fit that profile.

Of course Hill can always line-up in the backfield and fill that home run rushing threat role as well.

You really should try it Kareemed.

You guys will feel better about this guy when he is converting short yardage 3rd downs.

I disagree.

I think West should be replaced, Ware should move to 1b, while we have a David Johnson guy to be the feature back.

Don't forget that Hill will take touches from the backfield, and serve as that home run rushing threat if need by.

Edit: Im a dumbass

Is it just me? Am I taking goofy pills? ;)

hahahaha

Im tired and hungover. My bad.

I agree that West is the one that should lose touches.

We throw so many passes to stretch the defense laterally that running up the middle helps more than running laterally.

He has all the tools to serve as Rb1 and share a role with Ware, all kinds of home run ability too.

i was just thinking that...

one of the greatest offenses ever seen in kc had a slow running back just like that...

and there were times he didn't score when he broke free, that's true also...

me likee berry berry mucho grandeist!

Stole this from reddit, and reformatted it to fit CP - good in depth breakdown - all credit to u/WastedFrog.

Today's report is on Toledo RB Kareem Hunt. I wanted to do someone a little less known since everyone has opinions on the top guys already.

Measurables
Height: 5'10
Weight: 216
40 time: 4.62
Vert: 36.5
Broad: 9'11"

Elite Traits

Physicality
Kareem Hunt is a very difficult man to tackle. The first man to lay hands on him being the one who brings him down is a rare occurrence. His tackle breaking ability is right up there with guys like Leonard Fournette. Plays like these are easy to find with Hunt. He regularly shrugs off linebackers.

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Ball Security
in his college career of four seasons, 782 carries and 73 receptions he never once lost the football. NEVER. that is insane.

Effort
It's weird to put this in elite traits but I have rarely seen RBs who consistently play as hard as Hunt. He is ALWAYS fighting for that extra yard.

NFL Level Traits

Vision
Hunt has that crucial RB gift of seeing where the hole is going to be when he gets there. he rarely has to hesitate unnecessarily behind the line reading his blocks. He can get small and squeeze through a small hole. his first cut is very quick and to the point which helps him be decisive and follow his eyes.. His vision isn't limited to hitting the line either. he can read a field in open space just as well. this gif is a good example of his vision for both the line and open field.

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Elusiveness
for as much as he relies on being able to break tackles he's no slouch when it comes to shaking opponents off before they can touch him. Hunt is a big fan of the spin move, and he's damn good at it, though it can get him into trouble as well. He man make very fast jump cuts to get away from low tackles. He moves quickly and with purpose to make guys miss in the open field. His combination of elusiveness and physicality often leads to runs like this where he shows off the best he's got in both regards

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Balance
He runs with his shoulders down to keep his center of Gravity low and it really shows. He recovers from near falls when other RBs would be on their asses. In this play he ends up with his hand on the ground but recovers incredibly fast and jukes an oncoming defender. This play is just amazing

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Workhorse
In this age of RBBC and pass catching backs there aren't as many of these guys around anymore. This gif of back to back tough physical runs is something you'll see several times a game from Hunt. if you want a guy who is gonna be on the field for most of the game, Hunt is on your list.

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Hands
Hunt wasn't used as a pass catcher a ton. Mostly as a dumpoff receiver, but he has soft hands and a couple amazing catches (see the last gif in Balance). I watched 6 games and he caught multiple passes in each and never dropped one.

Needs Work

Pass Protection
If he's gonna be an every down back he's gonna have to get better at pass blocking. his cut blocks can be half assed at times and he needs to learn to get a better leverage advantage. he sometimes gets bullied

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Route Running
He just didn't do a lot of this but given NFL trends, his good hands and his ability to make plays in space he's going to be asked to do more in the NFL. aside from a couple wheel routes I don't think he has ever run a route. I think he has the skills to do it but he's gonna take a while to learn it.

Negatives

Build
He's a little on the small side. while he did fine in his conference the bigger stronger NFL players could cause a leverage problem when he's trying to out physical the defense. it even shows up on occasion in college tape. I love this next gif because it shows his biggest weakness and his biggest strength. He gets shoved back because he can't get a leverage advantage and then shows his effort in getting back to the line

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Dancing
While he gets an A for effort it also gets him into trouble a lot. there are a lot of cases of him dancing around trying to break out from a hopeless situation instead of just taking the yards he has available.

Speed
Hunt just doesn't have breakaway speed. Think of someone like Frank Gore. He can get you a ton of yards and he's fast enough to get into space but if it comes down to a footrace against a DB, he's not gonna win it.

Pro Comparison: Spencer Ware

I went into this only having watched one game of his before now and thinking he's an early day 3 back. Now I'll be very surprised if he lasts past the 3rd. Hunt is a legit NFL starter IMO. More than that he's an every down back. I suppose his lack of size and the depth of the class could push him down ala Kenneth Dixon last year (another good comparison for Hunt as a player) but I won't agree with it if it happens.

Thats a nice sample of his skills from hometeam, I considered quoting it in full just to piss everyone off :D

But seriously, dude is just solid... no, there is no wow factor in regard to speed or insane jukes, but the guy just guts it out every time

He is a chain mover, not a home run hitter, maxes out every opportunity to the best of his ability... I'm thinking Duce Staley

Ya know that is a very good comparison because I had him as Giovanni Bernard with attitude. Kudos to you my friend ! I think you nailed it !!

Bernard is totally valid as well, guys like this dont scare the hell out of anyone... but they give your offense another set of downs to scare them with

Nice find home team. Thanks for sharing!

Exactly! We needed Kamara or Marlon Mack. Here we are still just plodding along 10-15 yards at a time.

If he can get 10-15 yards a pop, that'd be a massive improvement. You only rely on an RB being a "deep threat" when your QB is lily-armed Alex Smith. With Mahomes, you already have the ultimate "home run threat".


Kareem Hunt is quicker through the hole than Ware, making him an improvement day one. Solid pickup for KC

To me, this pick is for Alex Smith.

This team needs a guy right now that can move the chains and keep drives alive.
Alex Smith can not consistently do that.

This kid, on third and short, might be able to do it.

I just watched all those videos. He is very unique. Everything that has been said about his balance, vision, quickness through the hole, etc. is all true.

I laughed out loud while watching the "Draft Day 2017" video. At about the 7:50 mark he is sprinting to the goal line but is about to be caught from behind just before he scores. But he senses the defender closing in on him and uses a reverse stiff arm to secure his way into the end zone.

For that reason I'm not concerned that he doesn't have top end speed because his awareness more than makes up for it. Seems like he has a bag of tricks he can use to pick up those extra yards. He looks like a heck of a football player.

Watched a bunch of film on him. Impressive ball security and runs like Frank Gore. Unless West really steps up his game, Kareem will be the split carry back with Ware before the season is over.

That was my Hunt comparison. Frank Gore.

What successful QB hasn't had RB(s) that could move the chains? ROFL

You heard of Marshawn Lynch? Pierce/Rice? Blount/Lewis ? Freeman/Coleman? Anderson/Hillman? Frank Gore? You check out how dominant that Panthers run game was in their SB quest?

We just witnessed Ware/West take a nosedive in efficiency (5ypc -> 4pc) total TD's went to less than half what they produced in 2015.

You think Dorsey is going to stand pat with that? Common sense.

The more I watch, the more excited to see him play. I was big on Joe Williams as a late round pick but this guy is much, much closer to game ready than him. Ware/Hunt are going to punish linebackers.

You thought we should draft Joe Williams in the 3rd round, you ****ing reerun.

Niners traded up to snag him in the 4th. In any normal draft not stacked with RB's, he would've been an early 3rd. The upside on Joe Williams is impressive.

This pick is receiving praise all over the place, pretty much everything I'm seeing around the net is calling him a starter

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Top-graded HBs in college football<br><br>Kareem Hunt, Toledo, 94.4<br>Dalvin Cook, Florida State, 89.3<br>Christian McCaffrey, Stanford, 88.2</p>&mdash; PFF College Football (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/820731001357930496">January 15, 2017</a></blockquote>

Yeah, but we could of had a not 3 down back in the 2nd round guys......

**** YOU FOR THIS GOOD VALUE AND FIT DORSEY!!!!

The running game was trash after week 6 or 7 last year. The difference in the playoff game wasn't Smith vs Roethlisberger, they were both shitty. The difference was LeVeon Bell vs Spencer Ware. One had 175 yards and the other had 35.

I think Hunt will be like Ware, a decent #2 running back but struggles to maintain his play over a full season.
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Well, if we are going to play the LeVeon Bell vs. game.... it is going to be a long night.

Was LeVeon Bell on the board when we picked Hunt?

How can you predict that his play won't maintain over a full season? What are you basing that on? That's a strange thing to say. It's not like we have any answer as the why that happened to Ware still. My best guess is it was because he has never been a workhorse before. Since that's not the case with Hunt, I'm calling bullshit on your prediciton.

You may be right about Hunt and Ware being roughly equal, but dont forget that Ware was a 6th rounder and a lot of the pundits had 3rd round Hunt rated evenly with bigger names like Dalvin Cook

Its a small sample admittedly, but all of the clips I've watched on Hunt suggest that he is a better pure runner, with better instincts and vision

4.4 YPC and a TD that game.

Andy only gave him 8 carries

Cause hes not a guy that avoids contact. Like Ware, he bounces off a bunch of guys and keeps going. That works fine in the beginning of the season, but as the season goes in, all that extra contact wears on the body and it starts to break down. That's what happened to Ware last year. Good early. Bad late in the season
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There are also many RB's who manage to take a beating and keep going. Your claims are baseless.

Also, I don't think you've watched much of him because he doesn't always just duck his head and take guys on. He makes moves to get by them too.

Spencer Ware has moves too. But his game is based on contact and going through that contact. Same as what I've seen from Hunt. Like I said, Ware isn't a bad running back and hunt probably won't be bad. But they're both going to be about average. I've been spiked by Priest, Jamaal and even Larry Johnson to some degree to expect more from KC running backs.
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People have posted the stat about him causing the most missed tackles in college football for the last 48 hours, he doesnt really look slick doing it... but he knows how to avoid contact

It appears to me he knows how to take it more than avoid it.

it must be our old eyes tricking us, because it sure looked that way to me, too...

he just flat out broke a lot of tackles, a shit ton!!

me lykeey theese pick!!!! PBJ PBJ PBJ

What Dorsey did was get us our own version of Freeman/Coleman. You have two guys who can run the ball and also catch in space. Every 3rd game, you give Hunt extra reps so that Ware can rest his legs a little bit.

20% of Matt Ryan's production last year was throwing it down to the RB. Also holds true for Brady the last few seasons.

Love this move by Dorsey.

Looks like he's playing pinball out there. He seems to know what angles to take to draw a bad tackle and squeeze in a few extra yards.

Some of you need to watch more video of him because you have no clue what you're talking about, this kid is special.

But the floor on quitter Joe is much lower.