It's all number crunching. I think PFF excused it away with the fact that he had more fumbles than TD's and didn't gain much yardage after contact (stupid way to judge an elusive runner).

PFF's imperfection doesn't equate worthlessness.

"Any team would have traded 2 seconds for Alex Smith and promptly replaced his best lineman, which just so happened to be his blindside protection, with a rookie from the MAC."

Logic!

LMAO Work on your reading comprehension.

:thumb: I agree 100%

Explain which part I didn't comprehend.

7 weeks, mother****er. 7 weeks.

HAI GUYZ, ITZ 1986!

The homers posting in this thread are just getting abused.

lol.

I thought only reeruns used the word homer.

And you're still on meth?

A True Fan walks into a used car dealership:
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WIN.

That truefangif still cracks me up. LMAO

It would be hilarious if some of those people were CP members.

I wonder fatty is still saying:

"YEAH! YEAH! WOO-HOO"!

Dipshit.

How anyone can still say Fisher had a good game is absolutely beyond me.

THE PROOF IS RIGHT HERE IN YOUR FACE 20 TIMES. WTF?!?!?

Also, why does it matter what PFF said? It's obvious from THE PROOF THAT IS RIGHT HERE IN YOUR FACE.

Blaming PFF and whining is simply deflecting from the topic at hand: Fisher is ungood at football.

If the AFC West were Starcraft:

Denver: (Zerg) - About to bum rush everyone with ease.
San Diego: (Terran) - Well equipped and prepared for battle.
KC: (Protoss) - Still ****ing building, and building, and building.
Oakland: (???) - They stuck with playing original Warcraft.

If the AFC West were Breaking Bad:

Denver: Walter White - pretty awesome, but their overconfidence will be their downfall
San Diego: Pinkman - competent, but not quite up to Walt's level
KC: Gale - showed flashes of brilliance, but in the end just an afterthought
Oakland: Marie - everyone hates that incompetent hobag

Nice.

PFF was first brought up by Hamas as a way to substantiate his opinion. "That is why he had a rating of -4.9." I simply called out PFF for the fraud that they are when it comes to their player rankings. Not to defend Fisher, but to bring to light to the morons who consider their rankings gospel how truly awful PFF is.

I have never said Fisher played a great game on Sunday. I think his play has improved from last year and if he can continue to improve he could end up being a very good LT for KC. Some of the gifs he absolutely looks bad and his play on these particular plays cannot be defended, but on a few of the gifs Clay's breakdown in slanted and disengenuous.

For instance, on the second play where Fisher gets knocked to the ground and drags his man with him, Fisher was actually knocked over by his own player.

As with most issues on this ****ed up board, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Fisher isn't the worst pick in Chiefs history and he isn't the next coming of Orlando Pace.

Cool.
When you are in death valley you can only go up
He'd better improve a LOT.
The slant makes it funnier.
Meh, it's all a dumpster fire.

Time will tell

Another moron that thinks we should have taken a mediocre QB at 1.1? Where do you idiots come from?

Newflash: 32 teams had a chance to take Geno in the first round. 32 teams passed. 32 teams not only didn't think he was worth the 1.1, but they didn't think he was worth any spot in the first.

"32 teams had the chance to take Tom Brady. 32 teams passed. Blah-blah-blah my Eric "anal" Fissure" etc.

Geno Smith will never be Tom Brady. He is mediocre at best, and the morons here crying about the Chiefs having a mediocre QB are slurping the balls of the mediocre QB they wanted instead. Morons, all of you.

32 teams did not need a QB, because they had the balls to draft one in previous drafts.

:LOL:

Other teams did and still didn't take him. He is mediocre and will never be worthy of the worship you guys have for him. You guys are in love with the concept of taking a first round pick, and you don't even care who it is, we just need to take a first round QB. Stupid.

Let's continue wallowing in all of the fat, gooey, barbecuey goodness of trading for shit back ups! It works so well!

I know where you're coming from and I saw the same thing myself. I wouldn't say that was exactly what happened on that play, but he did stop his man from making the play.

This conversation has been hashed out so many times and you still don't get it. Your hatred runs so strong for Geno, that you bring him up all of the time.
Go re-read any Geno Smith thread if you want to discuss Geno Smith. This thread is about Eric Fisher.

This is completely unknown at this point and is the sum of you projecting.

He may be mediocre at best. He may end up being worse than mediocre. He could continue to develop and become a really good QB for the next 10 plus years.

At this point, we don't know with any certainty what he will become. Thats why, speaking for myself only, I would have liked to have drafted him. He has a skillset that I think would have been really great for Andy Reid and company to continue to develop.

Alex Smith, right now, after how ever many eyars in the league, is the definition of mediocre (whether some want to see it or not, thats on them I guess). He's an average NFL QB. At best.

Considering it's been about 10 years since the CHiefs have had that under center, I understand why some Chiefs fans are ok with that. Hell, I was happy with last year and thought he was an ascending player or could still improve. We know he can play at a high enough level, but until he puts together a long span at that, I'm going to consider him to be what he has been over the last 3 plus years. An average, smart QB who wont beat you, but probably isn't good enough to compete at the highest level without having a mountain of talent around him. But, they've stabilized the QB position, which if I were guessing, was something they were told to do by management, seeing as both the HC and GM have a past history or doing it the right way.

Basically, for me, I'll take the 2nd year QB who has the upside to become (insert whatever here) over the 10th year vet who we are still hoping can improve into something he hasnt been over his career.

Fisher was taken because he has elite athleticism for a LT. However, he needed/needs to add strength in order to be able to let said athleticism take over.

We're in his second year in the league and because of injury or whatever it has been, we don't know what we've got in him.

League offices thought he was worth a top 15 pick or they wouldn't have invited him to the green room for draft day.

He's not going to put together a long span of high level play with the current personnel talent and play-calling of what KC has available to him right now.

Forget about a "mountain of talent"... Until he is no longer standing in a 12 foot depression in the Earth.. he will continue to underwhelm.. yet still show clearly that he is at the bottom of the must-fix list.

Fisherscuses?

They thought as much of JaMarcus Russell also. Still, I am one of the folks giving Geno time before condemning him. At times, he looks alright. He could trend upwards throughout a solid career.. or just as easily fizzle out. No one can really say.. but your point here is crap regardless. Oh, and Brady Quinn.. another Green Room invite. Ooops.

His contract is going to be inversely proportional to them adding talent around him though (if i read it right).

Just as I stated, 10 years into his career, we still think he can be something he's not.

I'd imagine you could also look at the all 22 footage and probably see this "12 foot depression" talent having guys open all over the field, but I digress.

He's at the top of the must fix list, because he's not good enough.

They've also decided, obviously, to rebuild the roster (the right decision). However, at the most important position to rebuild, they've decided to bandaid it.

Make a decision guys. Either or. Little bit of both is how you stay mediocre, which I'm pretty sure is what they want or atleast are ok with.

Asses in seats?!

Check.

Q- on grills?!

Check.


SUCCESS!

"We're ok as a fanbase to let a young LT develop in hope that he can become a great LT (even though he's ****ing awful right now), but if it were a QB, he's got to be great from day 1"

I don't think many outside of CP would agree.. but ok.. opinion noted.

The 10 years into his career bit falls short for someone like Alex. Not too many QBs have had similar paths to his. Remarkable amounts of coaching fluctuation and poor teams... and the 2014 Chiefs may best all of them in sucktitude. Guys with similar careers are usually damaged backups or out of the League by now. Smith is still around and a starter because people in the know.. people untainted by irrational dispositions.. recognize that he is not the problem.

Yep.:thumb:

People in th know are still starting Matt cassel.

Just because a gm or coach does something, doesn't make it right.

The problem with some is, they don't realize Alex smith was part of the reason fr all that turnover.

I was just informed that people in charge of nfl franchises don't make irrational decisions.

Oh, do elaborate. Should be good.

You going to tell us that Norv Turner accepted a promotion from OC to HC because he disliked Alex's talent?

That OC Jim Hostler was a great OC that went on to do anything worthwhile ever again?

That Mike Martz made decisions based on Alex, who was on I.R. then anyway?

That Jimmy Raye was such a success but left the NFL because of Alex's struggles?

I'm sorry, what?

There was a game where Matt Cassel was mic'd up. He had just scored a TD the previous drive (I think it was the Vikings game in 2011).

He's talking to Lilja or somebody like that. Lilja goes, "Matt, what the hell was the play out there? I was clearly running something different than everybody else." Matt puts on that dumbass doofy grin and goes, "Who cares? We scored anyway!"

Who cares, Matt? How about you be a ****ing professional and figure out what went wrong so it doesn't ****ing happen again, you incompetent moron. Luck and/or playing against shitty teams isn't going to bail you out every time.

Eric Fisher stopping his man from making a play by being an enormous weak pussy is the exact same situation. I'd rather he just not suck than suck and have shit work out.

Fisher-Gate

it works because Fisher acts like an open gate that lets the opposing players run through

Eric Fisher. Another green room invite.

LMAO

Definitely a black eye on the FO. But it's their asses on the line, so who cares. Nice presentation though.

Mike McCarthy was his original OC in 2005. He got GB HC job the next season.

2007 was what sealed the deal of Nolan administration was a failure.

Jim Hostler was promoted to OC.
Gave up the most sacks in the league.
Alex Smith got hurt.
Arnaz Battle was the leading WR.
Vernon Davis' longest play was 31 yards.

And Nolan was a Defense 1st HC and the leading sacker on the team was Bryant Young in his last season got 6.5

What QBs in the history of the NFL at 23 years old could save that coaches job? Maybe Manning or Marino because they got the ball out super fast.

2008 was just a matter of time till they cleaned house.
Vernon Davis was thrown to only 49 the entire season in Martz offense.
36yo Isaac Bruce and Bryant Johnson were the leading WRs.

This. He isn't playing good now, but if he comes around like Staley in a few years, you'll love having him.

How do you make gifs of the plays?

I loved having Branden Albert as my LT, who didn't cost me the #1 overall ****ing pick.

This.

Without looking back with what is known now who would you have taken with the #1 overall? And who would you cut on the current team to pay Albert's Salary?

That may be... all I'm saying is that in a few seasons, (if he turns out to be anything like Staley - to which there is no guarantee) he'll be an incredible asset to the Chiefs. That's all.

I know. I get that he needs to improve, but at least he didn't get ole'd out of the way like on some of the other fails. Also, I remember that game you're talking about. It was 2010 against the Seahawks. (probably Cassel's best game as a Chief statistically speaking)

I can't answer that without factoring in what is known now. I don't follow college ball much, so everything I know about players in the draft, is what they are feeding me on draft day. I watch the draft because I'm interested in the positions my team is filling, but know very little about the players themselves.

Cheating, and looking back, I think a CB would have been a good choice in 2013 for the Chiefs.

So which of the coaches installed cowardice 2.7 on Alex. And noodle arm 8?

My guess would be Mike Singletary.

Looked great to me in those .gifs!

CHIEFS R COOL AND FUN TO WATCH!!

LMAO

I'll just leave this right here...

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W. (name withheld) broke this down really well. One thing it shows is Alex Smith and Reid have adjusted the offense and it's execution to allow Smith to get rid of the ball and make plays before the sieve on your left side breaks.

The down is it looks like another top three pick, in this case first overall, didn't go your way. It's odd that the Chiefs keep using top tier picks on "safe" choices that end up not panning out. I mean if you guys drafted risky picks that busted, you'd never hear the end of it. But it is possible to be too safe. You could argue rounds 3-5 are the time to take risks.

I went back and looked at all the tackles that were taken in the top 3 since 1990. There aren't many. From 1990-2000 there were three and they were all excellent: Tony Boselli, Orlando Pace and Chris Samuels. All three were all-pro at least once and were multiple pro bowl selections.

From 2001 on things get worse. Robert Gallery, Joe Thomas, Jake Long and Jason Smith. Two were busts. One could be a HOF candidate. Jake Long is not bad, but the players drafted after him at the same position are all doing better.

It's still too early to say for Fisher, Joeckel and obviously Greg Robinson, but it's not looking great for all three as they've all had a host of problems. I should point out the Rams drafted Jason Smith and now have Jake Long - and they drafted Greg Robinson who was moved to guard and then is now playing behind another player. It must be a Missouri thing to suck at drafting top tackles?

It must be great to be a fan of a franchise that drafts such awesome players like:

Peyton Manning
Wes Welker
Emmanuel Sanders
Aquib Talib
Demarcus Ware
T.J. Ward

ROFL Gaylord knows his team is dirt without jughead

Cut? How about Chase Daniel and Anthony Fasano?

And who would I have drafted over Fisher? Pick a name: Dion Jordan, Barkevious Mingo, Sheldon Richardson.

You can sit there and claim that Jordan or Mingo would have been a reach....but I'd rather have either one of them over Fisher. Plus you don't how Jordan would have fit in here instead of Miami (who criminally under-utilized him his first year).

With our luck, he'll be dog shit up until the final year of his contract. Then he'll turn All-Pro, just in time for us to extend him for $15 mil per year.

With recent history considered, wouldn't KC just let him walk into FA once good and then draft another project that sucks for years? :(

His extension will come after he beasts against a weak schedule and every teams best pass rusher goes down with an injury. Because Chiefs...

Yes, you have to sign other players too. We lost Knowshon and Decker, both our draft picks, to free agency. But we still have great players like Ryan Clady, Demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Chris Harris, Danny Trevathan, Von Miller and Orlando Franklin. Bradley Roby is playing like stud already. And keep an eye on Lerentee McCray and Quentarus Smith.

Is this supposed to make me feel bad? "HAHA! YOU HAVE A HOF QB! IF HE WERE GONE, YOU WOULD SUCK!" And it's not even true. We'd be a .500 football team without Manning. Shoot we werea .500 football team with Tim Tebow at QB and we won the division.

Me gusta Quant. Smith.


Me. Gusta.

Great players? LOL Okay.

A few very good players, and some JAGs.

Good to see a Broncos fan over here. Kaylore, do you think Eric Fisher looks like a guy who could be a top 10 LT?

Whoa, dude.

You nearly lost Sunday.

A good team would have clocked you.

Fisher is playing like ass.

Find some other earth-shattering story to cover.

At this point, no. But it's still early. He is having neck issues. Having said that, my biggest worry would be his lack of balance. If he never gets his feet under him, and you get all your power from your legs and hips, he's never going to be able to anchor anything.

You have to realize why I came out of GIF'D UP retirement to make this thread. There was word going around these parts that Eric Fisher had played a good game. I set out to find the truth and here we are. Now we are free.