I will say that these GMs lie all the time, this LT pick has been the pick since they've taken Albert. Every year it wasn't a LT.

How many of those years did the Chiefs have the #1 overall pick?

What?

How is this a deep tackle draft?

Johnson is a converted QB, DE and TE.

Joeckel wasn't even the best offensive tackle on his college team.

Fisher played at Central Michigan and will have a steep curve ahead of him.

DJ Fluker is most likely a guard.

Long and Pugh are just guys.

In fact, I like guys like Ricky Wagner, Tanner Hawkinson and Oday Aboushi as much as Johnson, Fisher and Joeckel.

And, as I said previously, I'd take Barrett Jones before any of them.

Joeckel this year then you can take Lewan next year!

Stafford was a better project than Geno. Period.

He didn't just have a better arm, he had three years of increasingly productive play in the premiere college conference while playing in a pro-style offense.

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We had the 3rd overall and 5th overall.

Stronger arm is not a better arm. Go ask Jamarcus Russell, Kyle Boller, David Klingler and Jeff George about that.

Stafford, in college, had zero touch. He's still below mediocre in that regard now.

And Geno can drop it on a dime from 50 yards in-between two defenders. That's enough of an arm for me and better than we've ever had in a Chiefs uniform.

Geno was great his year in the pro style offense. But that was in a shitrific conference. Though they did play LSU/NC State/Pitt.

That's my point. You had other teams in front of you then. The #1 seed only jerks around about players they think others will trade up for.

How many of those years did the Chiefs have a top five pick?

They've had their chances at the top tackles, and probably should have drafted Okung when it was early and moving Albert wasn't an issue.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...r-lane-johnson

The 2008 NFL Draft is remembered for the two first-round home runs at quarterback — the Atlanta Falcons' Matt Ryan and Baltimore Ravens' Joe Flacco. But the standout position was offensive tackle.

The class produced standouts as the Miami Dolphins' Jake Long (now with the St. Louis Rams), the Broncos' Ryan Clady and the Houston Texans' Duane Brown quickly emerged among the AFC's best.

Throw in Branden Albert, Sam Baker and Gosder Cherilus, and it was a pretty good tackle haul in Round 1.

The 2013 Draft class has the same potential. Luke Joeckel, Eric Fisher and Lane Johnson are ready to have an immediate impact on the left side with their Pro Bowl-caliber skills. There also are rising prospects who might help this year's class trump the outside blocking riches of five years ago.

1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M (6-6, 306 pounds). Joeckel looks the part of a long-term athletic rock at left tackle, and there are no concerns about his character or football instincts. He is the best overall prospect in this draft, and it would be shocking if he slipped as far as No. 4 to the Philadelphia Eagles. The Kansas City Chiefs could still take him at No. 1, despite using the franchise tag on Albert. Having played in a fast-paced offense with Johnny Manziel will only help Joeckel in the NFL.


2. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan (6-7 1/4, 306). Fisher is doing his best to push Joeckel for the draft's top position, and tackle-needy teams should gladly take him in the top five after Joeckel is off the board. The home state Detroit Lions would be a great fit, as Fisher could replace retired Jeff Backus.

3. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma (6-6, 303). Johnson might slip out of the top 10, but that will be based only needs of drafting teams once Joeckel and Fisher are snagged. He's not quite at their level but still will be a fine immediate starter to plant at left tackle. The San Diego Chargers would be thrilled to get him at No. 11.

4. Menelik Watson, Florida State (6-5 1/8, 310). Watson has been a late riser because of his pure athleticism. He has excellent foot skills, which is why there is a growing belief he will transition nicely to left tackle. He is a bit raw, given he used to play basketball and is new to big-time football competition.

5. D.J. Fluker, Alabama (6-4 5/8, 339). Fluker stands out as the powerful right tackle of this class, and that shouldn't be a surprise considering he's a product of the Crimson Tide's run-blocking machine. He has improved his conditioning and should sneak into the latter half of the first round.

6. Kyle Long, Oregon (6-6 1/8, 313). He's the son of Pro Football Hall of Fame defensive lineman Howie Long and brother of Rams defensive end Chris Long, the No. 2 overall pick in 2008 Draft. Kyle Long developed strong hands while run-blocking as a guard, has the nimble feet of a left tackle and makes good use of his frame. His pedigree should make him a solid second-round pick.

Stafford never passed for better than 61% in college (and he was a shitty 52 and 55% his first two years).

51 TDs to 33 Ints.

That's not Geno level numbers - and he had a running game and defense to support him.

He has a cannon. But there is also a reason that the Lions made Calvin Johnson the richest man in the NFL - because Stafford still has no touch and needs a guy like Johnson to make those plays downfield.

Right now, he's Culpepper with Moss.

He was drafted that high for the same reason guys like Jamarcus Russell, Jay Cutler and Kyler Boller were drafted high - huge arm.

But let's not make it out like he was the second coming of Elway. He wasn't.

Where do you get that? Seriously? Assume much?

If you had been paying attention in other threads I have said I would be happy if they drafted Geno #1. But some of the people here only care about drafting a QB in the first round - and don't even give a shit if it is a good one. As if the very act of drafting a QB #1 is the goal.

I don't care how we win, as long as we win. The draft is a means to an end, it is not the end. We don't play the games in order to draft, we draft in order to play the games. Many on this forum have lost site of that.

Yes but the top OTs were available i believe

Lisfranc.

Im a Geno supporter but Im sure his compl % was inflated due to screen passes that he threw alot

And how many 1st round QBs have not won a SB? We had one on the team last year. We have one on the team right now. WINNING is all that is important. But if you cream your pants at the very thought of a 1st round pick, fine. I want results, and I don't give a shit if it is a 1st round QB or a 7th that does it.

Yup.

Youre more likely to win with a 1st rounder. Yes we have Alex. But Franchise QBs arent traded. Im just not completely sold on putting all the eggs in his basket. Take a top QB prospect while we got the chance

But was Andy "Loves OTs" Reid in the Coaches chair?

I still like the kid. I like his confidence but I still dont get how you can complete 71% and he's called very inconsistent. Maybe theyre talking about deep ball. But SOME deep balls are kind of a luck pass. Alex Smith has been a good deep ball passer FWIW

NO but SCOTT PIOLI WHO LOVES AND WAS A LINEMAN, was in that chair

wut

I think he means a Luck pass.

The game your OC draws up for you is the game your OC draws up for you. If his deep schemes aren't there but he has a check down available you want him to force the deep pass just to satisfy the masses and show off his arm? How do you think he kept his Int's down? He made the smarter decision to not force the situation, knowing that they would eventually come up to guard against the dump off and he could bomb it to Austin or Bailey. Alex Smith checks down alot, as did Cassel, but you know something that Geno can do that those other guys can't? Throw the ball 60 yards down the field when the opportunity arises and have some semblance of a deep threat. You want to dock Geno for taking the smart throw? Just drop that shit.

They're like home runs.

No one knows when they're going to happen.

:p

All depends on Alex Smith. He wins playoff games in the next few years and he deserves a chance. He chokes and you start looking to draft his replacement.

This place gets ****ing dumber every day. Jags fans arguing with Pats fans arguing with Bronco fans arguing about what the Chiefs will do.

Plus our local reeruns help em all out.

Look at Flacco's deep balls lol some of those were very lucky

Damn Andrew Luck change your last name ROFL my bad guys

I think you're very lucky that you don't fall out of bed every morning and break your nose on the floor.

LMAO

Alex Smith threw the ball deep less than Cassel.

Ya Im lucky that Im not hit by a car too i guess LMAO

This is seriously not only one of the dumbest arguments I've ever read on any message board, but also one of the worst attempts I've seen to justify said argument.

Jesus Christ.

I thought a stat was posted that he had a good compl % on his deep ball

It's also possible that is a smokescreen.

Well some of them were. Look at the safety play in that last one versus Denver? Just saying. I like Flaccos deep ball

Is there a person in here that knows how to breathe in and out of their nose?

Ya those Albert rumors kind of died down. Havent heard anything in a while

I'll slightly, but not completely agree with dtchiefs4life.

Boldin has bailed Flacco out a few times, like in the SB where Flacco threw the ball straight the **** up in the air and Boldin fought for that son'bitch and came down with it.

That's all I meant. I mean some deep balls you see QBs throw are completed because defenders cant play the ball or get PIs called

This is doctorate level shit right here! How do you have time away from NASA to grace us with your insight here?

You said this.

Then tried to use a receiver going up and getting the ball as justification.

Holy shit batman, with that kind of logic, every single throw that's completed is a "luck pass".

Yes, Boldin made great plays on deep throws throughout the playoffs. However, to call deep throws "luck passes" is just incredibly stupid.

I know I'm kinda torn too. Maybe we should just go with a punter instead.

LMAO

Go watch Flacco's deep throws man. Boldin at times was raping defenders for it

Part of being good is giving other good players an opportunity to make plays.

I realize we haven't seen anything like that here in almost 10 years.

Whatever man. Sorry for not rephrasing the correct way. You all ****ing overreact on this board. **** yourself

Matt Stafford:

6.8
7.3
9.0

Geno Smith

6.3
7.4
8.3
8.1

Yards per attempt.

Oh, and watch this game (just Geno's passes):

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Talk to me about screen passes.

I did watch Geno this year some and he did throw alot of screen passes.

Well to be honest... that was against KU. Maybe a better example of an opponent would be better.

Would you prefer Baylor?

47 Super Bowls

Starr - 17th round
Unitas - 9th round
Staubach - 10th round
Stabler - 2nd round
Montana - 3rd round
Theisman - 4th round
Hostetler - 3rd round
Rypien - 6th round
Favre - 2nd round
Warner - undrafted
Brady - 6th round
Johnson - 9th round
Brees - 2nd round

13 non-first round SB winners
17 Super Bowl wins

Some of those guys were lightning in a bottle its a completely different game now. Its a passing league. You need elite QBs to win SBs

It may not happen often, but it does happen. So your absolute statement is untrue.

Favre
Brees

Geno Smith: A Tale in Accuracy
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http://cdn2.sbnation.com/uploads/cho...dard_709.0.jpgJustin K. Aller

I’m not going to sit here and say that I can predict the future, because I can’t. But I’m pretty sure what the talk on AP will be about for roughly the next three months. There will be an endless discussion (which will end in 3 months) on what the Chiefs are going to do with the number 1 overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft. While perusing through the limitless comments on AP, one voice prevails through the masses. That voice says, "Draft Geno Smith."

The numbers are impressive. In his career, Mr. Smith threw for 11,662 yards, tallied up 98 touchdowns to only 21 interceptions, and completed 67% of the passes that left his hand. But, many believe those impressive stats are a result of the system he played in. Short screen passes and two explosive receivers that warrant draft talk of their own undoubtedly could inflate any QBs success.

After going through the AP scouting process (YouTube), many can form their own opinion of what they like and don’t like. Depending on the observer, things like arm strength, footwork, poise, accuracy, release, and pocket awareness can all be discerned from prospect to prospect. Opinions are formed and debates ensue on exactly what each prospect can offer.

It was my attempt, in this post, to stray from this type of analysis. I wanted something more objective. You can show 10 different people tape of Geno throwing the ball and you will get 10 different opinions. Some may be similar, but all will vary in one degree or another.

Specifically, I wanted to tackle the debate on Geno’s accuracy. As stated earlier in the post, Geno has a very impressive career completion percentage, one that he was able to increase every year as a starter. Also stated earlier, this percentage is said to be due, in large part, to the short and "easy" passes that he was asked to make.

To explore this idea, I observed 8 games from Geno’s 2012 campaign. Those games were Texas, Texas Tech, Maryland, Baylor, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Iowa State, and Kansas. I used the YouTube videos of Geno Smith vs. insert opponent here in my research. The goal of this research was relatively simple. One comment in particular sparked the idea when a user stated that, "90% of his passes were screen passes." Well AP, were they?

I present the following chart:

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As I watched the games, I charted where each completion and incompletion were in regard to the line of scrimmage. It didn’t matter where the receiver ended up, all that mattered is where he caught it or attempted to catch it. After completing 8 games and 300 throws, I felt I had an adequate and representative sample size.

The double lines running down the middle of the chart can pretty much be thought of as the hash marks on a football field. With the exception, for example, that sometimes the ball can be located on the right hash pre-snap and a pass will be completed with the receiver going over the middle. The receiver might catch it outside of the hash marks, but for all intents and purposes it was a pass over the middle. I thought this better represented the types of throws that he was either missing or hitting.
The “NLOS” (Near Line of Scrimmage) is any pass that is generally within 3 yards of the LOS (i.e. screens, swing passes, and maybe a few shallow drag routes). The “4 to 9” section refers to passes that were completed/attempted within 4 to 9 yards of the line of scrimmage (usually outs, ins, and slants). The farther up the chart you go, the farther the passes were from the LOS. From there, I think most get the idea.

To give an example on how to read the chart, the bottom left section describes that Geno completed 41 of 46 passes (89.1%) that were directed to his left and were near the line of scrimmage. The far right column gives totals for each “level.”
Interesting Notes:

• Feel free to take all of the screens away from Geno’s game. He completed 131 out of 213 passes that were 4+ yards past the LOS for a completion percentage of 61.5%.
• 28% of his pass attempts were NLOS, 33% were from the 4-9 range, and 24% were from 10-20 yards past the LOS.
• 36% of his pass completions were NLOS (not quite 90%), 32% were from the 4-9 range, and 23% were from 10-20 yards past the LOS.
• 42% of his passes were directed to the left side of the field.
• Geno completed 18 out of 43 passes (42%) that were 21+ yards past the LOS.
• Geno is deadly accurate over the middle, check out that middle column. He had 6 of 9 passes that were 31+ yards down field completed, impressive. Geno’s completion percentages in the left, middle, and right were 70%, 72%, and 66% respectively.
• Cause for concern? Completing 10/21 for a 48% completion percentage on passes that were 10 – 20 yards downfield and on the right side of the field.
• Reason for optimism? Completing 19/28 for a 68% completion percentage on passes that were 10 – 20 yards downfield and on the left side of the field.

These last two notes were of particular importance to myself when doing this evaluation. NFL quarterbacks are separated by what they can do 10 to 20 yards downfield and outside the numbers. I’ll give you a math problem. How far does a ball travel from a quarterback that drops back 5 yards from the LOS, throws it halfway across a football field that is 53 yards wide, and the ball travels 15 yards past the LOS? My buddy, Pythagoras, told me that 15 yard completion is actually about a 33 yard pass. Is he right?

The overall results of the research seem promising. Initially, I defined 15 parts of the field. I had 5 levels of the defense separated by 3 sections. Through my evaluation, Geno was able to effectively attack each of these 15 parts. Not all equally, but he made the defense account for the whole field. Do the screens inflate his completion percentage? Yes, but those passes are hardly a given… cough*Matt Cassel to Eric Weddle*cough. The percentage of those he completes is beyond impressive by itself (88%). And those passes can travel around 20 yards in the air, at times. The only way those plays work are to get the ball there very quickly and very accurately, which Geno does nearly robotically.

I was a Geno Smith fan before I put this together, and this did nothing but confirm my thoughts on him. I have nothing to compare these numbers to, so I’m thinking about doing a similar evaluation on a couple of the other quarterback prospects. In the end, I hope people find this interesting and can find a way to use this information in their own evaluations.

Apparently Albert doesn't think so. He didn't show up to practice.

Complete luck I tell ya!

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LMAO

LMAO

You're a mongoloid.

Does your mother wipe your drool from your chin?

You're lucky you found those...

Would I prefer to eat out Lindsay Lohan over Anne Hathaway??? NO, I said real competition!

No your mom wipes my cum from her mouth. Go rape your sister in your picture

I'm not sure what this means.

Ok so i should of said "SOME" deep passes are lucky. There

If I were from South Carolina, I'm sure it wouldn't be an uncommon practice.

I'm not sure why you're so pissy because I proved your argument was dumb as ****.

I mean, there's just a teeny tiny bit of distinction there.

Just like, a smidge.

Im from Ohio asswhipe nice try. Not pissy at all. Just shouldve said SOME deep passes are lucky. Didnt think you'd overreact asshole

Took more than luck and skill to find those gifs so quickly. It couldn't be a gift, it had to be luck... similar to Flacco's throws.... deep down the field..... **** it tried and failed to make a comparison.

I'm not so sure about that.

Lindsey is a ****ing FREAK.

Anne? Not so much.

Be careful what you wish for, young lady.

Wouldnt touch Lohan with a ten foot pole

I wonder if playbooks got passed out today.

No, you said deep throws are luck passes. Then you tried to support it.

Then later you changed your argument to "well, I guess I should have said some deep passes are lucky".


If you can't recognize the colossal gap between the two, I don't know what to tell you.

There ya go ponder. Said some. Now shut the **** up

You **** the freaks, I'll wake up every morning knowing my dick won't fall off. Oh and next to a more attractive woman as well.

No, now it makes sense.

The bombay from early still has side effects ROFL.

47 Super Bowls

Namath
Dawson
Griese
Bradshaw
Plunkett
McMahon
Simms
Williams
Aikman
Young
Elway
Dilfer
Roethlisberger
P. Manning
E. Manning
Rodgers
Flacco


17 First round QB winners
30 SB wins

The number of different SB winning QBs is the same for first round and non-first round.

The number of SBs won by 1st/non-first round QBs since this became a passing league (got to be post-Elway, because of T.D. followed by The Greatest Show On Turf) is 8/6.

The Number of different SB winners by 1st/non-first round QBs since this became a passing league (got to be post-Elway, because of T.D. followed by The Greatest Show On Turf) is 6/4.

Life is a highway...

Youre still arguing about QBs from 30 years ago? LOL get a clue. Look at how the game has evolved and what QBs win SBs