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Pasta Little Brioni 02-12-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9397451)
Name them.

Foles and a Rookie is my favorite scenario. Don't want old Hasselbeck for one year, don't want QBs proven to be nothing but backups. Foles and a rookie would be two QBs with promise.

Why would Philly deal him for less than a 3rd if he is this diamond in the rough? Anything more than that and they can F off. I'm not seeing a way this works.

tyler360 02-12-2013 06:10 PM

That high 3rd is gonna be a pretty good starter. We really shouldn't be trading it for Foles

Messier 02-12-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9397457)
We don't need two QBs with promise.

We need 1 starter and 1 backup.

People are obsessed with hedging their bets.

Almost no one is all in on any rookie QB, and I can't blame them.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-12-2013 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9397471)
Almost no one is all in on any rookie QB, and I can't blame them.

We draft one number one overall, you damn well bet they are all in.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-12-2013 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyler360 (Post 9397468)
That high 3rd is gonna be a pretty good starter. We really shouldn't be trading it for Foles

Another great point

HotCarl 02-12-2013 06:13 PM

There's no reason to have any interest whatever in Foles when Alex Smith is available.

Nightfyre 02-12-2013 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HotCarl (Post 9397478)
There's no reason to have any interest whatever in Foles when Alex Smith is available.

I refuse to be trolled by this blockhead. Somebody take out the trash.

htismaqe 02-12-2013 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyler360 (Post 9397468)
That high 3rd is gonna be a pretty good starter. We really shouldn't be trading it for Foles

Exactly.

We could get a DL there, or an ILB, or a starting S, all of which are bigger needs than some "faux" competition at QB.

Geno Smith/Nick Foles is an either/or proposition.

htismaqe 02-12-2013 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9397471)
Almost no one is all in on any rookie QB, and I can't blame them.

Yeah, the Rams traded a high draft pick to give Sam Bradford competition, didn't they?

That's what the Panthers did with Cam, right?

And Detroit did that with Stafford too, right?

If we draft a QB, we're bringing in a vet, or keeping Matt Cassel.

If we're bringing in Foles, we won't be drafting a QB high. Foles will be the starter.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-12-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9397497)
Yeah, the Rams traded a high draft pick to give Sam Bradford competition, didn't they?

That's what the Panthers did with Cam, right?

And Detroit did that with Stafford too, right?

If we draft a QB, we're bringing in a vet, or keeping Matt Cassel.

If we're bringing in Foles, we won't be drafting a QB high. Foles will be the starter.

:Lin:

HotCarl 02-12-2013 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9397481)
I refuse to be trolled by this blockhead. Somebody take out the trash.

What's wrong with that statement? If we're going to acquire a veteran QB, there's no reason to start over with Foles. There's someone who has played better, has experience starting in the league, has won playoff games, etc.

Messier 02-12-2013 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9397497)
Yeah, the Rams traded a high draft pick to give Sam Bradford competition, didn't they?

That's what the Panthers did with Cam, right?

And Detroit did that with Stafford too, right?

If we draft a QB, we're bringing in a vet, or keeping Matt Cassel.

If we're bringing in Foles, we won't be drafting a QB high. Foles will be the starter.

No they didn't, and I'm not a fan of those situations either.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-12-2013 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HotCarl (Post 9397516)
What's wrong with that statement? If we're going to acquire a veteran QB, there's no reason to start over with Foles. There's someone who has played better, has experience starting in the league, has won playoff games, etc.

Reveal yourself. Ncarlscorner?

htismaqe 02-12-2013 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9397562)
No they didn't, and I'm not a fan of those situations either.

How about Joe Flacco then? Or Andy Dalton?

Or Matt Ryan?

When you draft a guy that high, you commit to him, like it or not.

htismaqe 02-12-2013 07:01 PM

Furthermore, when you make a decisive move for a QB (like trade a 2nd for Matt Cassel), you're committing to him too.

The Matt Flynn/Russell Wilson scenario in Seattle last year is like winning the lottery - it NEVER happens to you.

Messier 02-12-2013 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9397610)
How about Joe Flacco then? Or Andy Dalton?

Or Matt Ryan?

When you draft a guy that high, you commit to him, like it or not.

Are you all in for any QB, Wilson, Barkley, Glennon? Or is it Smith or bust for you?

htismaqe 02-12-2013 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9397690)
Are you all in for any QB, Wilson, Barkley, Glennon? Or is it Smith or bust for you?

Wilson, absolutely. Barkley, sure, I guess if that's who they decide is best.

Big NO on Glennon.

mcaj22 02-12-2013 07:07 PM

that high 3rd pick will beat out Jon Baldwin and Dexter McCluster on the depth chart so dont trade it

htismaqe 02-12-2013 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9397704)
that high 3rd pick will beat out Jon Baldwin and Dexter McCluster on the depth chart so dont trade it

Funny.

And yet sad.

:D

mcaj22 02-12-2013 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9397714)
Funny.

And yet sad.

:D

and yet true!

Pasta Little Brioni 02-12-2013 07:10 PM

htis. How bouts drafting QB in rounds 1, 2, AND 3. Think of the competition!!!

htismaqe 02-12-2013 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9397717)
and yet true!

Of course. That was assumed. :D

Sorter 02-12-2013 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9397714)
Funny.

And yet sad.

:D

I'd laugh if Gilyard beat out either. LMAO

Frankie 02-12-2013 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9397102)
3rd round picks don't win Super Bowls. Draft one in the first.
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Not if one year's first rounders are not as good as previous years' 3rd. Not saying at all that this is the case this year, but your theory needs a bit of of tightening.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9397120)
You would think that a guy named Foles would be a good fit for the Colts.

Colt McCoy is a much better fit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 9397242)
I've heard rumors it could take a 4th to get him...i'd be up for that probably

Our 4th is practically a 3rd. I'd be happier giving them a 5th plus Cassel. Of course in this scenario something needs to be done with Cassel's contract.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9397407)
EXACTLY. If he was worth a shit why would the Eagles give him away. It makes no sense at all.

They have a new coach and a system that may not be a good fit for him.

RealSNR 02-12-2013 08:22 PM

People are obsessed with what the Redskins did last year.

Maybe it was smart. I know at the time, though, everybody said they were crazy for bringing in another QB in the 4th round like that.

Now some Chiefs fans want to use a 1st and a THIRD round pick (and a high one at that) to get our franchise guy and back up.

This shit has to end somewhere, guys. They're BACKUPS for ****'s sake

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 02-12-2013 08:35 PM

**** no!

Red Dawg 02-12-2013 09:27 PM

I have said before that Dysert is being underrated. That kid has an NFL arm for sure and escapeability who can make the play. He will be gold to some team that grabs him after the first. He played on a real shit team.

Strongside 02-12-2013 09:29 PM

I think we should just Draft Geno #1 and trade the rest of our draft to take Wilson at #2 and Barkley at #3. Maximize our chances, ya know?

The Franchise 02-12-2013 09:41 PM

Trading a 3rd would be beyond reeruned. You're increasing his value when he hasn't proven he's worth it.

Bump 02-12-2013 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9395985)

thats so ****ing creepy, I have an ex that looks just like her. Like almost exactly.

Strongside 02-12-2013 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9397738)
I'd laugh if Gilyard beat out either. LMAO

So I went and checked out a few of these 'Boxxy' videos on youtube. I, too, may invest in a net gun. She has a strangely magnetic quality to her.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-12-2013 11:00 PM

meh
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ShowtimeSBMVP 02-14-2013 02:08 PM

Brian McIntyre ‏@brian_mcintyre

RT @EaglesInsider: #Eagles have agreed to terms with QB Dennis Dixon on a two-year deal. http://bit.ly/Z0zept



Eagles really don't need Foles now

The Franchise 02-14-2013 02:11 PM

If anyone should go after Foles.....it should be the Cardinals.

Mr_Tomahawk 02-14-2013 02:13 PM

Nick Jacobs‏@Jacobs71

With Vick and Dennis Dixon. I don't see them needing Nick Foles now. #tradebait

BossChief 02-14-2013 02:15 PM

If we are gonna trade for Foles, it better be for a 2014 draft pick and no more than a 3rd.

CoMoChief 02-14-2013 02:15 PM

Was Chip Kelly coach when Dixon was there (Oregon)?

The Franchise 02-14-2013 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9403015)
Was Chip Kelly coach when Dixon was there (Oregon)?

Yes.

CoMoChief 02-14-2013 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9403011)
If we are gonna trade for Foles, it better be for a 2014 draft pick and no more than a 3rd.

**** that....no more than a 5th

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-14-2013 02:20 PM

no thankyou
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Frosty 02-14-2013 02:40 PM

Dennis Dixon? LMAO

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-14-2013 02:42 PM

wasnt he the singer of STYX?
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Sorter 02-14-2013 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9403079)
Dennis Dixon? LMAO

He was good until he blew his knee out IIRC

Frosty 02-14-2013 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9403102)
He was good until he blew his knee out IIRC

He had a decent game against the Falcons in 2010 but other than that has been a bag of meh.

BTW, I'm really going to laugh if Chip signs Darron Thomas.

Sorter 02-14-2013 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9403141)
He had a decent game against the Falcons in 2010 but other than that has been a bag of meh.

BTW, I'm really going to laugh if Chip signs Darron Thomas.

Hopefully he isn't that dumb

Frosty 02-14-2013 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9403148)
Hopefully he isn't that dumb

He just signed Dixon, who's been out of the league a couple of years. The jury's still out.

Sorter 02-14-2013 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9403151)
He just signed Dixon, who's been out of the league a couple of years. The jury's still out.

I thought Dixon was on Baltimores PS the past year and before that was on the Pitt roster?

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-14-2013 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9403158)
I thought Dixon was on Baltimores PS the past year and before that was on the Pitt roster?

100% Right

Sorter 02-14-2013 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9403164)
100% Right

Glad to know gin hasn't completely rotted my brain.

Frosty 02-14-2013 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9403158)
I thought Dixon was on Baltimores PS the past year and before that was on the Pitt roster?

Oops, you're right. He was on and off the Ravens' PS last year. Couldn't tell about 2011 as he had no stats.

philfree 02-14-2013 03:16 PM

We need QBs so I'd trade our 5th for Foles. I'd still draft Geno Smith though and after that if we end up with a 3rd round compensitory pick we still have four picks to acquire some talent with early in the draft.

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-14-2013 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 9403177)
We need QBs so I'd trade our 5th for Foles. I'd still draft Geno Smith though and after that if we end up with a 3rd round compensitory pick we still have four picks to acquire some talent with early in the draft.

Gonna take more then a 5th. Foles is dirt cheap the next 3 years.

philfree 02-14-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9403181)
Gonna take more then a 5th. Foles is dirt cheap the next 3 years.

Well it is the 1st pick of the 5th round so there is that. We could always add on a concitional draft pick in the 2014 draft if need be.

Out of curiosity who else would actually be a good fit for Foles? Who really wants him that the EAgles will have any leverage in the deal? Foles doesn't seem to fit Kelly's offense so in the end what are they going to do with him? He may come cheaper then we think.

the Talking Can 02-14-2013 03:23 PM

so foles is this franchise QB we can acquire because they don't need one having signed Dennis Dixon?

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-14-2013 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9403191)
so foles is this franchise QB we can acquire because they don't need one having signed Dennis Dixon?

Think it's more Foles doesn't fit Kelly system.

Molitoth 02-14-2013 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9403198)
Think it's more Foles doesn't fit Kelly system.

If he was something special, Kelly would find a way to make him work.

philfree 02-14-2013 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9403191)
so foles is this franchise QB we can acquire because they don't need one having signed Dennis Dixon?

No Foles is the backup and emergancy starter if Geno ends up not being ready day one. Ha ha. He'll be ready but Foles will also help with that because he knows the offense.

the Talking Can 02-14-2013 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9403198)
Think it's more Foles doesn't fit Kelly system.

a 3rd round pick who has less value to a franchise than Dennis Dixon


i wouldn't give a squash for that

htismaqe 02-14-2013 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9403207)
a 3rd round pick who has less value to a franchise than Dennis Dixon


i wouldn't give a squash for that

Exactly.

He's not worth anything more than a 5th.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-14-2013 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9403191)
so foles is this franchise QB we can acquire because they don't need one having signed Dennis Dixon?

ROFL Pretty much.

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-14-2013 05:17 PM

Chiefs interested in trading for Nick Foles
Mike Garafolo, USA TODAY Sports5:41p.m. EST February 14, 2013
02-14-nick-foles

(Photo: Eric Hartline, USA TODAY Sports)
Story Highlights

Chiefs coach Andy Reid drafted Foles for Philadelphia in 2012
Foles went 1-5 as the starter during his rookie season
Foles threw for 1,699 yards, six touchdowns with five interceptions

While the Philadelphia Eagles continue to see Nick Foles as an option to be their quarterback this upcoming season, the reality is the team now has two quarterbacks more fitted to run Chip Kelly's system.

The Eagles signed free-agent Dennis Dixon on Thursday. Dixon played under Kelly at Oregon in 2007 when Kelly was the offensive coordinator.

So it's in the realm of possibility Foles could be traded. And if so, the Kansas City Chiefs could be the destination.

The Chiefs and new coach Andy Reid are interested in acquiring Foles if he becomes available, according to a person informed of the team's thinking. The person, who spoke to USA TODAY Sports on condition of anonymity because the Chiefs haven't discussed their thoughts on their roster publicly, said the team is working on plans to add a quarterback and considers Foles a possibility.

Kelly has said Foles and Michael Vick would compete for the starting job and that both could run a similar system, despite their differences in style. The person informed of the Chiefs' plans said the Eagles have not told Kansas City that Foles is available to this point.

But if the Eagles decide Vick is their best option, it makes sense to deal Foles. In seven games under Reid this past season, Foles showed flashes of being a successful NFL quarterback by throwing for 1,699 yards, six touchdowns and five interceptions.

Foles led a last-minute comeback victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Week 14. It was the only victory in Reid's final 12 games as Eagles coach. Reid's elation on the sideline after Foles' game-winning TD pass showed how thrilled he was with the performance.

Former NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah, now an NFL.com analyst, reported Reid and Chiefs offensive coordinator Doug Pederson, an assistant coach with the Eagles under Reid, "were very high on Nick Foles and his future."

The Chiefs have the No. 1 overall pick in April's draft, but the class of quarterbacks is generally not considered strong.

The Chiefs will likely release veteran Matt Cassel unless he takes a pay cut from his $7.5 million base salary for 2013 -- and it's unclear if they'll even offer that option. The team's best chance at getting Reid a reliable signal caller will be in free agency or the trade market.

San Francisco 49ers backup Alex Smith has also been mentioned as a possibility.

BlackHelicopters 02-14-2013 05:27 PM

What?

DaneMcCloud 02-14-2013 08:06 PM

Let me guess: The Chiefs swap their first for the Eagles #4 overall, Foles and a 3rd rounder in 2014.

Hammock Parties 02-14-2013 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9403884)
Let me guess: The Chiefs swap their first for the Eagles #4 overall, Foles and a 3rd rounder in 2014.

WELL IT'S DAMN SURE BETTER THAN TAKING THAT BUST GENO RIGHT DANE?

HotCarl 02-14-2013 08:10 PM

Worrisome. You don't trade draft picks for a player you intend to be a backup.

DaneMcCloud 02-14-2013 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9403886)
WELL IT'S DAMN SURE BETTER THAN TAKING THAT BUST GENO RIGHT DANE?

I'm sure it's nice to for everyone to see that you've reverted back to Full-reerun mode.

Kudos.

Hammock Parties 02-14-2013 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9403897)
I'm sure it's nice to for everyone to see that you've reverted back to Full-reerun mode.

Kudos.

You're the idiot who declared Geno wouldn't win a SB last night.

I don't even NEED the Chiefs to draft Geno. Just a QB.

You've been blowing dumb posts out your ass since Romeo Crennel was hired as our HC.

HotCarl 02-14-2013 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9403886)
WELL IT'S DAMN SURE BETTER THAN TAKING THAT BUST GENO RIGHT DANE?

It wouldn't be a shock to see a Smith slide to later in the first round. I think Oakland might take him, but seeing them pick the USC product or Manuel, they could be in love with his athleticism, wouldn't be all that shocking. It's the Raiders.

Certainly feels like moving down would make sense, if and only if Albert is truly healthy.

DaneMcCloud 02-14-2013 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9403919)
You're the idiot who declared Geno wouldn't win a SB last night.

I don't even NEED the Chiefs to draft Geno. Just a QB.

You've been blowing dumb posts out your ass since Romeo Crennel was hired as our HC.

Yeah, right.

No matter how many "dumb posts I blow"' there is no way in Hell I could ever match the more than 145,000 dumb posts you've made over various mults and bannings.

Furthermore, genius, you can't prove that Smith will win a championship anymore than I can prove he won't, but of course that irony went right over your pointy head.

NJChiefsFan 02-14-2013 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HotCarl (Post 9403921)
It wouldn't be a shock to see a Smith slide to later in the first round. I think Oakland might take him, but seeing them pick the USC product or Manuel, they could be in love with his athleticism, wouldn't be all that shocking. It's the Raiders.

Certainly feels like moving down would make sense, if and only if Albert is truly healthy.

Manuel as the top QB huh? Yeah, likely.

B14ckmon 02-14-2013 08:26 PM

Geno will likely be a bust. It's a good pickup.

HotCarl 02-14-2013 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9403933)
Manuel as the top QB huh? Yeah, likely.

In a year like this, where there are no QBs who'd be high first round picks any other year, it's likely to be more difficult to trade down than usual. Fewer teams wanting to move up, more wanting to move down. A team like Oakland might just see him as their type of guy and just take him.

Hammock Parties 02-14-2013 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9403930)
Furthermore, genius, you can't prove that Smith will win a championship anymore than I can prove he won't, but of course that irony went right over your pointy head.

Do you see me saying Geno is going to win a Super Bowl? **** no.

You spouting off that he's not going to is just bullshit. Especially when you haven't even seen him play outside two games.

You've been talking out your ass for months.

RealSNR 02-14-2013 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9403884)
Let me guess: The Chiefs swap their first for the Eagles #4 overall, Foles and a 3rd rounder in 2014.

Puke.

Frosty 02-14-2013 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9403884)
Let me guess: The Chiefs swap their first for the Eagles #4 overall, Foles and a 3rd rounder in 2014.


If you go by the draft chart, moving from #4 to #1 is 1200 points, the same value as the #12 pick in the first round. Doing the trade as above would be essentially saying that Foles is worth a middle first round pick. No way.

If the Chiefs do something like this, they better get Foles, the Eagles' 2nd pick this year (540 points) and a conditional 2nd or 3rd next year (and maybe even a later round pick this year) or they are leaving too much value on the table.

DaneMcCloud 02-15-2013 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9404078)
Do you see me saying Geno is going to win a Super Bowl? **** no.

You spouting off that he's not going to is just bullshit. Especially when you haven't even seen him play outside two games.

Because he IS going to win a Super Bowl? Because the odds are in his favor?

If so, why wouldn't teams be clamoring to move up and draft him? I mean, he's a sure thing, right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9404078)
You've been talking out your ass for months.

LMAO

Even if this was true (and it's certainly not), there's no way in Hell I could possibly match your first 60 months on Chiefsplanet.

No one could. You know why? Because they'd be banned for life with less than 1,000 posts.

RealSNR 02-15-2013 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9404606)
Because he IS going to win a Super Bowl? Because the odds are in his favor?

If so, why wouldn't teams be clamoring to move up and draft him? I mean, he's a sure thing, right?

Winning a Super Bowl is a hard thing to do.

The odds of winning a championship are against Andrew Luck and RGIII. You don't just get a championship because people think you're great.

So no, the odds are not in Geno Smith's favor.

Hammock Parties 02-15-2013 12:10 AM

To say that any player coming out in the draft won't win a Super Bowl is just ridiculous. It's ridiculous in any year, in any round, no matter who's picking.

You're just being a pissy bitch about it, like you always do when anyone disagrees with you.

"**** you guys! Geno sucks and won't win shit!" - Dane, 2013

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-15-2013 12:15 AM

lmao ladies, ladies...I implore you...
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DaneMcCloud 02-15-2013 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9404616)
To say that any player coming out in the draft won't win a Super Bowl is just ridiculous. It's ridiculous in any year, in any round, no matter who's picking.

You're just being a pissy bitch about it, like you always do when anyone disagrees with you.

"**** you guys! Geno sucks and won't win shit!" - Dane, 2013

Is that what I said? Then why don't you quote me?

Pull it up. Quote me.

Or, just shut your ****ing cockhole, basement dweller.


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