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Skip Towne 10-06-2008 07:49 AM
Indiana used to have good basketball teams.

Gonzo 10-06-2008 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5082953)
You say tradition doesn't matter, yet you're so excited about ending your 30-year losing streak in Lincoln.

You say Bo Pelini sucks, yet Gary Pinkel was 9-14 during his first two seasons at Mizzou. Many Mizzou fans wanted him fired.

Something doesn't add up.

I'm not crying in my beer over Nebraska's loss last night. I told you how the game would unfold. I don't feel your pain. You can't get it all back in two years.

Tradition is the reason you're so excited. You want what Nebraska, Texas and Oklahoma have. You are getting a small taste of it. A national title and a Heisman this season would only be one step. You must sustain similar success over decades.

I think Kansas State and Colorado have more tradition than Mizzou. K-State recently won a conference title. Colorado has a national title and a Heisman.

Pelini will need several seasons to turn around the program - just like Gary Pinkel and Mark Mangino needed. Nebraska has no talent on either side of the ball. The defense isn't fast enough to blitz effectively. The offense is overrated, and the play calling sucks. I hate some of their pass plays.

It's a process. Instant gratification wasn't going to happen. You know that from your own experience.

Last year's Huskers gave up and made tons of mistakes. This year's Huskers make mistakes because they're too aggressive. I'll take the aggression.

Callahan never would've apologized to the state like Pelini did last night.

Think about the things I have mentioned here.


This would have gon a lot better for you if you'd just come in and said "congrats on a nice win. We'll see what happens in a few years." or something of the like. You don't have to tell us how good the Huskers were 20 yrs ago. We all know. Of course they were good since they recruited from the local Juvy Hall. Those dudes played mean!

The Huskers will regain respectabillity soon but for now they are a joke. Take your lumps, they are deserved. Enjoy another 70-10 ass whoopin by Texas Tech on Saturday btw.

Frazod 10-06-2008 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5087119)
THE CARDINALS HAVE 10 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!
Hey dumbass, tell me again how the Cubs have no weaknesses. LMAO

MOhillbilly 10-06-2008 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5087131)
I guess since they won 2 years ago, they can talk about that, but I just never understood why preaching about history made one bit of difference.
The only thing at Redskins park from the 1st gibbs era during the 2nd gibbs era was the SB trophies. right up front.

Bootlegged 10-06-2008 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5087169)
I'm not afraid to speak my mind, even if it makes people mad. Some people in this thread have said my original post was truthful. I'm not taking it back. There's a reason why Mizzou fans wanted me to feel their pain.

It's just like what I said when the Giants reached the Super Bowl. Lots of people were unhappy because they wanted to see Favre play New England.

We came into your house and pissed all over it. We took your beer, groped your wife, then wiped dog shit all over your carpet on the way out. Deal with it.

Bowser 10-06-2008 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5087058)
Mizzou fans trying to rip Nebraska's historical success just goes to show how little they know.
Nobody is ripping "Nebraska's historical success". You're getting ripped for trying to put Nebraska in some sort of superior light in the wake of their drubbing at Missouri's hands. You have a huge case of denial about the state of your team right now.

Bowser 10-06-2008 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5087051)
This season won't mean anything if OU beats you.
And I am perfectly aware that there is an excellent chance OU beats Mizzou in the title game (Stoops just has Pinkel's number), and this season is still going to mean a ton for Mizzou fans. Having two possible Heisman contenders and having a chance at a BCS bowl will do that.

Bootlegged 10-06-2008 10:18 AM
:deevee:

bowener 10-06-2008 10:48 AM
Mizzou fans care so much about the past successes of defeated rivals that NOBODY is even talking about the game on campus. It is over. We won. Nebraska was great at times in the past, but in the present they suck. Recruiting is going to get hard for them and it could get very ugly before it gets better.
Mizzou has a 30 year gap in success. We celebrate our tradition of losing by being absolutely ****ing tickled pink by winning all the damn time, and by huge margins. Lets hope we can keep it up and begin a new era in the tradition of the Missouri Tigers. I hope the big red can rebound so that our future meetings are more exciting and worthwhile.

gblowfish 10-06-2008 11:15 AM
I agree. Mizzou needs to concentrate on OSU. That'll be a much tougher game. They better focus or it could be trouble.

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 5087669)
Mizzou fans care so much about the past successes of defeated rivals that NOBODY is even talking about the game on campus. It is over. We won. Nebraska was great at times in the past, but in the present they suck. Recruiting is going to get hard for them and it could get very ugly before it gets better.
Mizzou has a 30 year gap in success. We celebrate our tradition of losing by being absolutely f***ing tickled pink by winning all the damn time, and by huge margins. Lets hope we can keep it up and begin a new era in the tradition of the Missouri Tigers. I hope the big red can rebound so that our future meetings are more exciting and worthwhile.
MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation. Top 100 rivals players go to schools like OU TX USC ND OSU MICH FSU FLA MIA PENNST WISC and so on.

After Daniel, Maclin, Coffman, Hood, Weatherspoon, Moore leave, MU fball will go back to mediocrity. Pinkel was lucky enough to taylor made an offense that is explosive and to have a QB thats good enough and knows it just as good as the coaches do.

If MU is going to make a run at the NC, they MUST do it this year......because if not, they won't for a very long time. Theyre simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.

Bowser 10-06-2008 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5087754)
MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation. Top 100 rivals players go to schools like OU TX USC ND OSU MICH FSU FLA MIA PENNST WISC and so on.

After Daniel, Maclin, Coffman, Hood, Weatherspoon, Moore leave, MU fball will go back to mediocrity. Pinkel was lucky enough to taylor made an offense that is explosive and to have a QB thats good enough and knows it just as good as the coaches do.

If MU is going to make a run at the NC, they MUST do it this year......because if not, they won't for a very long time. Theyre simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.
You sound as bitter as Sam. The thing Pinkel has going for him is that he actually makes an effort to get his freshmen in the game, especially during a rout. I think young kids will see this and want to play for a coach with that mentality.

Sully 10-06-2008 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bootlegged (Post 5087265)
We came into your house and pissed all over it. We took your beer, groped your wife, then wiped dog shit all over your carpet on the way out. Deal with it.
The ARISTOCRATS!!!!!!

...oh...wait...different joke...

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2008 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5087754)
MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation. Top 100 rivals players go to schools like OU TX USC ND OSU MICH FSU FLA MIA PENNST WISC and so on.

After Daniel, Maclin, Coffman, Hood, Weatherspoon, Moore leave, MU fball will go back to mediocrity. Pinkel was lucky enough to taylor made an offense that is explosive and to have a QB thats good enough and knows it just as good as the coaches do.

If MU is going to make a run at the NC, they MUST do it this year......because if not, they won't for a very long time. Theyre simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.
Mediocrity? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think 8-4 next year is the benchmark and 9-3 certainly isn't out of the question. The O-Line will be very good, D-Wash et al. will be excellent, and Denario, Perry, Jones, Jackson, Kemp, etc. will be fine (and that's assuming Maclin goes pro). Gabbert won't play like Daniel, but he won't have to.

The defense is where things get interesting. Losing Moore, Christopher and Hood will be big. Losing Garrett and Bridges won't matter much. If Spoon stays, he and Lambert will be fine as LBs. Gachkar would be the third when one is needed. Replacing Sulak and Chavis could be difficult as well. Current true freshman Jacques Smith will start on one side and I'd imagine Coulter will start on the other. Kenji Jackson will man one safety spot with Howard or Ricks at the other spot.

Given our schedule next year, I think MU will be fine.

Rausch 10-06-2008 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 5087810)
Mediocrity? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think 8-4 next year is the benchmark and 9-3 certainly isn't out of the question. The O-Line will be very good, D-Wash et al. will be excellent, and Denario, Perry, Jones, Jackson, Kemp, etc. will be fine (and that's assuming Maclin goes pro). Gabbert won't play like Daniel, but he won't have to.

The defense is where things get interesting. Losing Moore, Christopher and Hood will be big. Losing Garrett and Bridges won't matter much. If Spoon stays, he and Lambert will be fine as LBs. Gachkar would be the third when one is needed. Replacing Sulak and Chavis could be difficult as well. Current true freshman Jacques Smith will start on one side and I'd imagine Coulter will start on the other. Kenji Jackson will man one safety spot with Howard or Ricks at the other spot.

Given our schedule next year, I think MU will be fine.
All that said, yeah, we're boom or bust this year.

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 5087810)
Mediocrity? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think 8-4 next year is the benchmark and 9-3 certainly isn't out of the question. The O-Line will be very good, D-Wash et al. will be excellent, and Denario, Perry, Jones, Jackson, Kemp, etc. will be fine (and that's assuming Maclin goes pro). Gabbert won't play like Daniel, but he won't have to.

The defense is where things get interesting. Losing Moore, Christopher and Hood will be big. Losing Garrett and Bridges won't matter much. If Spoon stays, he and Lambert will be fine as LBs. Gachkar would be the third when one is needed. Replacing Sulak and Chavis could be difficult as well. Current true freshman Jacques Smith will start on one side and I'd imagine Coulter will start on the other. Kenji Jackson will man one safety spot with Howard or Ricks at the other spot.

Given our schedule next year, I think MU will be fine.
Gone is the great field position Maclin provided for MU that and some TD's.

Gabbert WILL have to play like Daniel in order for this kinda offense to be as effective, especially if the defense will take a step back like I expect.

Gone is Coffman.......HUUUUGE loss, though the other TE is going to be good someday....just not next year.

Spoon won't stay.....he'll be a first day pick.

Not to mention that Dave Christenson (MU off coord) will at some point in the next 2 years will get a HC offer. You can almost assure that.

I'm not being bitter.....I'm just trying to look at reality and look at what MU will be missing. I'm just saying that Pinkel has a long ways to go before kids will start recognizing MU as a school to play football at. But MU is a great team, top 5 is well deserving of this team. I think MU would smoke anyone in the God forsaken SEC.

Most powerhouse programs reload, not rebuild. MU is still that rebuilding stage in it's program and will be a while before they can start reloading, it will take lots of consistent success and conference titles.

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2008 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5087814)
All that said, yeah, we're boom or bust this year.
Sure, and we certainly have opportunities for bust. OSU, Texas, OU in the title game will all give MU all they want.

Back on topic of Nebraska, I still can't figure out what their fans are thinking. Before the season, many on their boards were predicting a 10-2 or 9-3 record, which is still theoretically possible. However, I don't see that team doing anything near that. Most believed that Bo would bring intensity and fire to the defense which would improve them to a top 25-30 defense (it was noted that the talent was there; they just needed the brilliant coaching). If you saw the game on Saturday, you know that isn't happening with that group. Heck, there were many Husker fans predicting a win over MU due to some super-secret defensive scheme that had them and their coaches giddy. The 3-3-5 was tried by Arkansas last year and equaled fail. Glass-half-full is great, but some of this was just nuts.

eazyb81 10-06-2008 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5087754)
MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation. Top 100 rivals players go to schools like OU TX USC ND OSU MICH FSU FLA MIA PENNST WISC and so on.

After Daniel, Maclin, Coffman, Hood, Weatherspoon, Moore leave, MU fball will go back to mediocrity. Pinkel was lucky enough to taylor made an offense that is explosive and to have a QB thats good enough and knows it just as good as the coaches do.

If MU is going to make a run at the NC, they MUST do it this year......because if not, they won't for a very long time. Theyre simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.
Ignorant post, but I'm sure that what you were going for.

1. All the great players you mentioned were 3 star recruits or less except for Maclin. Daniel was a 3 star, Weatherspoon was a 2 star, Moore was a 2 star, Coffman was a 3, Ziggy was a 3.

2. Thus, it's obvious that this coaching staff is highly adept at coaching up players and finding the diamonds in the rough that fit their style of play. If something happens once or twice you can say it's an aberration, but at this point it's a trend that Pinkel & co. will continue to find athletic, under the radar 2 and 3 star players that will be great in this system.

Now that we're getting looks at commitments from elite 4 and 5 star players, the future looks even brighter. Understandably we'll fall off next year due to losing so much top-shelf talent, but the program will be fine.

Might want to do more research before attempting to sound intelligent when talking college football.

Saulbadguy 10-06-2008 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 5087186)
Indiana used to have good basketball teams.
So did San Francisco, Seattle, NC State, Houston, and UNLV...

KChiefs1 10-06-2008 12:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5085514)
The traditional powerhouses never leave the spotlight, win or lose.
Here are some examples that disprove your contention:

1960's:
Minnesota
Purdue
Mississippi
Michigan State

1970's:
Houston
Arizona State
Pittsburgh
Stanford
NC State

1980's:
Iowa
SMU
Texas A&M

1990's:
Texas A&M
Kansas State
Syracuse
Washington

I know Nebraska has had tradition since Bob Devaney took over the program in 1962 followed by Tom Osborne...what were they before that? Do you guys realize that if Osborne hadn't taken over the program that you guys would be just like Kansas State is now? Scary huh?

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 12:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5087900)
Ignorant post, but I'm sure that what you were going for.

1. All the great players you mentioned were 3 star recruits or less except for Maclin. Daniel was a 3 star, Weatherspoon was a 2 star, Moore was a 2 star, Coffman was a 3, Ziggy was a 3.

2. Thus, it's obvious that this coaching staff is highly adept at coaching up players and finding the diamonds in the rough that fit their style of play. If something happens once or twice you can say it's an aberration, but at this point it's a trend that Pinkel & co. will continue to find athletic, under the radar 2 and 3 star players that will be great in this system.

Now that we're getting looks at commitments from elite 4 and 5 star players, the future looks even brighter. Understandably we'll fall off next year due to losing so much top-shelf talent, but the program will be fine.

Might want to do more research before attempting to sound intelligent when talking college football.
A Trend?!?!? MU has been good for 1 year. BTW Chase and Coffman both were 4 stars.

You can have all the 2-3 star players you want......but when it comes down to it we are gonna get beat by schools like Texas and Oklahoma.

KChiefs1 10-06-2008 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5087754)
MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation.

They're simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.
The MU football program hasn't been in better hands with Pinkel at the helm since Dan Devine roamed the sidelines at Mizzou.:D

eazyb81 10-06-2008 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5087935)
A Trend?!?!? MU has been good for 1 year. BTW Chase and Coffman both were 4 stars.
No you buffoon, they were both 3 stars.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewpros...1&pr_key=27095

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewpros...1&pr_key=26802

And yes, there is a trend of developing 2 and 3 star recruits into outstanding, All-Big 12-type players. Do some research and you will see that the majority of our best players were not elite recruits.

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You can have all the 2-3 star players you want......but when it comes down to it we are gonna get beat by schools like Texas and Oklahoma.
Good comeback. Way to use a lot of compelling evidence.

kepp 10-06-2008 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5087935)
BTW Chase and Coffman both were 4 stars.
Chase: http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73...=1&nid=1166259

Weatherspoon: http://missouri.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=64420

Moore: http://missouri.rivals.com/cviewplay...8&player=36360

Sure-Oz 10-06-2008 12:26 PM
Amazing the development, 3 star, 2 star and 3 star....probably 3 of our best players and Moore is a definite 1st rounder

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 12:26 PM
The point is the best players go to the best programs......MU isn't one of those.....no on here can argue that. Until that happens they won't be known as a football school.

Same with basketball. You see most McD's kids go to Duke , UNC, KU, UCLA, Kentucky and so on......guess what......they are always in the hunt the for the national title year in and year out. It's not hard to figure out.

MU is losing a lot after this season. People underestimate how great Chase Daniel is with this offense. after he's gone the most important position in this offense goes to someone with less experience......Good luck.

But this whole argument is about MU wanting to have what OU TX and NEB have. Those are football programs. NEB has been having down seasons recently but they still get cream of the crop talent. MUs had a nice little run of a couple years being a great team and fun as shit to watch on offense.

But after this season and unlike teams like TX and OU that can just reload, MU will have some years where they win 7 games.

Sure-Oz 10-06-2008 12:27 PM
Definetly admit this is Mizzou's year to go for a National Title after that success will be there, but it may take time to build a national contender again. Chase is probably one of those once in a long while QB's honestly, he'll be a mizzou legend when its over.

KChiefs1 10-06-2008 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088004)
NEB has been having down seasons recently but they still get cream of the crop talent.
Seriously?ROFL

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 5088027)
Seriously?ROFL
Bet NEB has more talent in the NFL since Pinkel has been HC for MU.

ImAWalkingCorpse 10-06-2008 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088004)
The point is the best players go to the best programs......MU isn't one of those.....no on here can argue that. Until that happens they won't be known as a football school.

Same with basketball. You see most McD's kids go to Duke , UNC, KU, UCLA, Kentucky and so on......guess what......they are always in the hunt the for the national title year in and year out. It's not hard to figure out.

MU is losing a lot after this season. People underestimate how great Chase Daniel is with this offense. after he's gone the most important position in this offense goes to someone with less experience......Good luck.

But this whole argument is about MU wanting to have what OU TX and NEB have. Those are football programs. NEB has been having down seasons recently but they still get cream of the crop talent. MUs had a nice little run of a couple years being a great team and fun as shit to watch on offense.

But after this season and unlike teams like TX and OU that can just reload, MU will have some years where they win 7 games.
You're kind of a clown to put Nebraska in that mix.... they can't go and out-recruit Mizzou in Texas, they can't out-recruit OU in Texas, they can't out-recruit USC, OU, Texas in California... Nebraska will be down for quite some time.

KChiefs1 10-06-2008 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088070)
Bet NEB has more talent in the NFL since Pinkel has been HC for MU.
Did you watch the game on Saturday?
You think that Nebraska team has more talent on it than Mizzou?ROFL

eazyb81 10-06-2008 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088070)
Bet NEB has more talent in the NFL since Pinkel has been HC for MU.
Mizzou is going to probably have 3 or 4 1st round picks this year. Pinkel came to Mizzou when we were down, but it's obvious to most competent observers that the program has done a 180.

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5088083)
Mizzou is going to probably have 3 or 4 1st round picks this year. Pinkel came to Mizzou when we were down, but it's obvious to most competent observers that the program has done a 180.
Bullshit

Tell me you think Chase Daniel is a 1st rounder........PLEASE tell me you think that!!!

KC Kings 10-06-2008 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 5087777)
You sound as bitter as Sam. The thing Pinkel has going for him is that he actually makes an effort to get his freshmen in the game, especially during a rout. I think young kids will see this and want to play for a coach with that mentality.

Exactly. Pinkle, and the relationships that he delevopes with the players makes for a much better team. The week that camp started a frehman DE from Raytown got a phone call from the NCAA Clearinghouse saying that he was under investigation about 1 trimester of math missing from his freshman year of high school. Had he known, he would have retaken it but since he had already taken college courses over the summer it was not possible to retake the trimester.

This was the first week of camp with an issue regarding an 18 DE that was going to be redshirted. Pinkle called his father and sent 2 letters to the clearinghouse that were not required, (a bunch if legal work was done in the back ground). He ended up being waived and got to rejoin practice after a week, but the point is that Pinkle went the extra mile. The sports community is much smaller than you think, and those little acts will go a long way.

Sure-Oz 10-06-2008 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088089)
Bullshit

Tell me you think Chase Daniel is a 1st rounder........PLEASE tell me you think that!!!
Daniel>Ganz or anything Nebraska shits out

If Chase was 6'2" he'd probable be up there

eazyb81 10-06-2008 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088089)
Bullshit

Tell me you think Chase Daniel is a 1st rounder........PLEASE tell me you think that!!!
You are a ****ing moron. Seriously, you know absolutely nothing about college football.

Maclin and Moore are definite 1st round picks. In the latest mocks I've seen, Coffman and Hood are also in the 1st round. If Weatherspoon comes out, he has a shot at the 1st round.

Who from Nebraska is going in the 1st round?

That's what I thought.

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2008 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5087935)
A Trend?!?!? MU has been good for 1 year. BTW Chase and Coffman both were 4 stars.

You can have all the 2-3 star players you want......but when it comes down to it we are gonna get beat by schools like Texas and Oklahoma.
Rivals has both Coffman and Daniel as 3 star prospects. Weatherspoon was a 2. Sulak was a 2. Hood was a 2 (he may have been bumped to a 3 just prior to signing, I can't recall.) Moore was a 3. Of course, Brad Smith was a 2. Rucker was a 3. Fisher was a 2 that bumped to a 3, IIRC. Saunders was a 2. Franklin a 3.

DeezNutz 10-06-2008 12:58 PM
If KC loses out, we might have a chance at drafting Daniel in the top 5. This would be great because he's a duel threat.

Demonpenz 10-06-2008 12:59 PM
Danials can run and pass making him a duel threat

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2008 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088004)
Those are football programs. NEB has been having down seasons recently but they still get cream of the crop talent.
Are you suggesting that NU gets better recruits than MU?

Frazod 10-06-2008 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5088101)
Daniel>Ganz or anything Nebraska shits out

If Chase was 6'2" he'd probable be up there
If Chase was 6'2" Colt McCoy would be riding a clipboard. Personally, I'm glad he's 5'-whatever.

Sure-Oz 10-06-2008 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 5088123)
Are you suggesting that NU gets better recruits than MU?
Apparently, i wonder if he is one of them?

DeezNutz 10-06-2008 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 5088120)
Danials can run and pass making him a duel threat
I hope race doesn't affect his draft stock. This would be wrong.

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 01:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5088101)
Daniel>Ganz or anything Nebraska shits out

If Chase was 6'2" he'd probable be up there
I didn't question whether Daniel is better than Ganz? Daniel is the better QB. You have to be a ****tard not to see that.

Problem is Daniel is 5'10 at most (I see him all the time he is not 6ft, trust me) and the combine will prove that.

And Daniel, like Kingsbury, Chang, and Brennan, are specifically system QB's, and more so Daniel, because he hasn't been exposed to any other offense other than the spread, Daniel is very very accurate and doesn't make bad decisions, which is what he has going for him....but physically his arm isn't too strong, i mean it's ok but doesn't stand out by any means.

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2008 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5088118)
If KC loses out, we might have a chance at drafting Daniel in the top 5. This would be great because he's a duel threat.
No, Daniel won't even be a first day pick. I imagine someone will take a flier in the 5th or 6th round, but I wouldn't expect much higher.

KC Kings 10-06-2008 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088004)
The point is the best players go to the best programs......MU isn't one of those.....no on here can argue that. Until that happens they won't be known as a football school.
Is NEB a football school?
I am just wondering, since Gabbart reneged on his word to NEB and went to Mizzou?

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5088108)
You are a f***ing moron. Seriously, you know absolutely nothing about college football.

Maclin and Moore are definite 1st round picks. In the latest mocks I've seen, Coffman and Hood are also in the 1st round. If Weatherspoon comes out, he has a shot at the 1st round.

Who from Nebraska is going in the 1st round?

That's what I thought.
Coffman has been said to be a 2nd rd pick......they actually said that in the NEB game.

Weatherspoon nor Hood won't be first rd picks. Moore and Maclin are the only 2.

tomahawk kid 10-06-2008 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5085485)
That's not much compared to the programs you so desperately want to defeat.
I couldn't argue with that - but it's not fair to say that Missouri has "No Football Tradition".

That's just BS.

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 01:07 PM
God some MU fans are ****ing crybabies ......jesus.

eazyb81 10-06-2008 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088144)
Coffman has been said to be a 2nd rd pick......they actually said that in the NEB game.

Weatherspoon nor Hood won't be first rd picks. Moore and Maclin are the only 2.
Kiper and McShay have him in the top 20, NFLDC has him at 22.

ImAWalkingCorpse 10-06-2008 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088070)
Bet NEB has more talent in the NFL since Pinkel has been HC for MU.
Ruud is the only real talent in the NFL from Nebraska. Hell KU has more real talent in the NFL than Nebraska....

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2008 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088148)
God some MU fans are f***ing crybabies ......jesus.
Presenting facts = crybabies? I guess I would prefer that to the ignorant fabrications that you produce. That's just my opinion, though.

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid (Post 5088147)
I couldn't argue with that - but it's not fair to say that Missouri has "No Football Tradition".

That's just BS.
They really dont. Yeah I'm sure they have their fair share of All Americans in the past, but most people in the college football nation view tradition as national prominance, winning national titles, having mult Heisman trophy winners etc.

People would view teams like ND OU, TX USC and would say they have tradition of winning program.......MU not so much.....at least yet.

Sure-Oz 10-06-2008 01:23 PM
What is tradition doing for Notre Dame lately, or the Miami's, Florida States?? Their recruits are so dominant they can't crack the top 25

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2008 01:23 PM
When was the last time NU beat a top 20 team? It seems like it's been a while.

ImAWalkingCorpse 10-06-2008 01:24 PM
If Nebraska and their fans think this week was bad.. just wait, Texas Tech will hang 70 on them and feel good about doing it.

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAWalkingCorpse (Post 5088166)
Ruud is the only real talent in the NFL from Nebraska. Hell KU has more real talent in the NFL than Nebraska....
Adam Carriker? DeMarrio Williams Josh Bullocks? (I think he went there)

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5088198)
What is tradition doing for Notre Dame lately, or the Miami's, Florida States?? Their recruits are so dominant they can't crack the top 25
Traditionally those programs have A LOT more history than ****in MU

Jesus Christ people....

KChiefs1 10-06-2008 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 5088199)
When was the last time NU beat a top 20 team? It seems like it's been a while.
Nebraska is Baylor with tradition.ROFL

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2008 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAWalkingCorpse (Post 5088204)
If Nebraska and their fans think this week was bad.. just wait, Texas Tech will hang 70 on them and feel good about doing it.
I saw the line at Tech -21.

ImAWalkingCorpse 10-06-2008 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088208)
Adam Carriker? DeMarrio Williams Josh Bullocks? (I think he went there)
All 3 of those not doing anything to help their teams win, hell Bullocks plays on an awful defense... Carriker playing for the Rams and well Williams.... Chiefs. Ruud is the only real NFL talent (up to this point).

Frazod 10-06-2008 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAWalkingCorpse (Post 5088204)
If Nebraska and their fans think this week was bad.. just wait, Texas Tech will hang 70 on them and feel good about doing it.
We SHOULD have hung 70 on them, just to do it. Pinkel was far too nice shutting down at the end of the 3rd quarter.

Sure-Oz 10-06-2008 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088213)
Traditionally those programs have A LOT more history than f***in MU

Jesus Christ people....
Nice and dandy but wtf have they done lately?

Frazod 10-06-2008 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 5088217)
Nebraska is Baylor with tradition.ROFL
Ouch LMAO

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAWalkingCorpse (Post 5088227)
All 3 of those not doing anything to help their teams win, hell Bullocks plays on an awful defense... Carriker playing for the Rams and well Williams.... Chiefs. Ruud is the only real NFL talent (up to this point).
Yeah look at all of those NFL stars Pinkel has produced......Brad Smith converted WR.

I can't remember if Gage was Pinkel's recruit....I dont think he was.

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5088251)
Nice and dandy but wtf have they done lately?
Thats cool......what the **** has MU done in the last 100 yrs or so up to last season?

Listen I'm happy that MU is doing well and has a NC calibur team, And I do think the only team that can beat them is OU.....maybe TX, but to say they have program tradition such as "well known by most Americans" football schools like OU TX Bama, FLA, OSU, NEB, Mich, FSU, Miami etc is just silly.

I understand MU fans are excited because really they've never tasted success in any relative sport. Not trying to talk shit but it's the truth. But some people on here are just ****ing stupid about it.

Sam Hall 10-06-2008 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 5087920)
Here are some examples that disprove your contention:

1960's:
Minnesota
Purdue
Mississippi
Michigan State

1970's:
Houston
Arizona State
Pittsburgh
Stanford
NC State

1980's:
Iowa
SMU
Texas A&M

1990's:
Texas A&M
Kansas State
Syracuse
Washington
Those are hardly traditional powerhouses. They weren't good enough for a long enough period of time before they disappeared.

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2008 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088287)
I understand MU fans are excited because really they've never tasted success in any relative sport. Not trying to talk shit but it's the truth. But some people on here are just f***ing stupid about it.
What is the truth? Exactly what point are you attempting to make? About what are you suggesting that people are stupid?

Sam Hall 10-06-2008 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 5087920)
I know Nebraska has had tradition since Bob Devaney took over the program in 1962 followed by Tom Osborne...what were they before that? Do you guys realize that if Osborne hadn't taken over the program that you guys would be just like Kansas State is now? Scary huh?
They have been playing football since 1890. Nebraska competed with Notre Dame in the days of Knute Rockne.

Midnight_Vulture 10-06-2008 02:04 PM
Misery is SCREWED after this year. Their inbred fans better enjoy it this year cause all their star players will be in the NFL next season.

Back to mediocrity for Misery hahaha

CoMoChief 10-06-2008 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 5088315)
What is the truth? Exactly what point are you attempting to make? About what are you suggesting that people are stupid?
Because the one thing that got all of the MU fans panties in a bunch is the fact the MU wants what NEB OU and TX have.....thats football tradition.....MU doesn't have that and every MU fan starts crying and stating otherwise with their reeruned arguments.

Sam Hall 10-06-2008 02:23 PM
As far as recruits not knowing the traditions at places like Nebraska and Notre Dame? I don't know why they wouldn't.

About recruiting rankings: I think Rivals.com and Scout.com are frauds. I don't believe them. Many of Callahan's 4-star and 5-star recruits aren't very good. You saw several of them Saturday on defense, especially the seniors. Tom Osborne brings in the country's best defensive coach, and they still stink.

Brock 10-06-2008 02:25 PM
MU just wants to win, the same as any other team. Saying they want this BS "100 years of tradition" crap that doesn't mean anything at all is pretty stupid. It's basically the same thing that I said last year when MU fans were bagging on KU for being a "tradition since September". That garbage means nothing. People are going to need to start pulling their heads out of their asses and realize that college football has changed dramatically in the past 10 years. It doesn't matter who you used to be, it only matters what you are doing now.

OnTheWarpath15 10-06-2008 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5088417)
MU just wants to win, the same as any other team. Saying they want this BS "100 years of tradition" crap that doesn't mean anything at all is pretty stupid. It's basically the same thing that I said last year when MU fans were bagging on KU for being a "tradition since September". That garbage means nothing. People are going to need to start pulling their heads out of their asses and realize that college football has changed dramatically in the past 10 years. It doesn't matter who you used to be, it only matters what you are doing now.
:clap:

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2008 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5088361)
Because the one thing that got all of the MU fans panties in a bunch is the fact the MU wants what NEB OU and TX have.....thats football tradition.....MU doesn't have that and every MU fan starts crying and stating otherwise with their reeruned arguments.
I don't want "tradition." I want to win every game going forward. OU doesn't sit around and talk about the past; they want to win now. "Tradition" is only as good as the support/players it helps you to accumulate. NU has fans and facilities due to their tradition. MU has facilities and talent and is rebuilding the fanbase, tradition or no.

I would guess that T-Bone's $ will provide enough "tradition" that OSU will have facilities, talent, and fans in short order. Perhaps they can even get a coach.

Spott 10-06-2008 02:55 PM
We may not have a lot of past tradition, but we have started a new one the past couple of years. This one includes beating Nebraska by 5 TD's when we play them. Congrats on your tradition, but we are going to thump the cornhumpers again next year, too.

Sam Hall 10-06-2008 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 5088504)
I don't want "tradition." I want to win every game going forward. OU doesn't sit around and talk about the past; they want to win now. "Tradition" is only as good as the support/players it helps you to accumulate. NU has fans and facilities due to their tradition. MU has facilities and talent and is rebuilding the fanbase, tradition or no.
OU is happy to talk about their past. However, I wouldn't trade the Huskers' tradition for the Sooners'. They can keep their probation violations.

I'm not emphasizing tradition because NU is down. The point is Mizzou isn't as great as their fans think. Mizzou fans made Saturday's game more dramatic than it was going to be. Right now, Nebraska is where Mizzou usually has been.

Spott 10-06-2008 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5088524)
Right now, Nebraska is where Mizzou usually has been.

Get used to it.

kcchiefsus 10-06-2008 03:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5088524)
OU is happy to talk about their past. However, I wouldn't trade the Huskers' tradition for the Sooners'. They can keep their probation violations.

I'm not emphasizing tradition because NU is down. The point is Mizzou isn't as great as their fans think. Mizzou fans made Saturday's game more dramatic than it was going to be. Right now, Nebraska is where Mizzou usually has been.

Again, this whole thread is sour grapes. Shut the **** up and go cheer for your shitty as team and ugly ****ing coach.

Sure-Oz 10-06-2008 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5088524)
OU is happy to talk about their past. However, I wouldn't trade the Huskers' tradition for the Sooners'. They can keep their probation violations.

I'm not emphasizing tradition because NU is down. The point is Mizzou isn't as great as their fans think. Mizzou fans made Saturday's game more dramatic than it was going to be. Right now, Nebraska is where Mizzou usually has been.
Stop living in the past...yeah great they won in 1997, no one cares now....back it up by being the powerhouse again. Goodluck getting a lawrence phillips and tommie frazier to run the option with success now.


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