It is. I think it’s just a little weird that most people chalk that up to only John Dorsey.

Andy was the GM in Philly for quite a few years and he drafted damn good offensive players. Andy said Veach found Fletcher Cox and LeSean McCoy. We also know that he was the one who found Patrick Mahomes.

Dorsey and Ballard proved they are excellent scouts with their owns drafts on a different team this season.

I think we did so well drafting mostly bc we had an all star personnel staff. Looking back it’s crazy to think we had all of these guys together in one room.

Yes, give up that kind of asset due to a player lying. That's what winning organizations do.

If he lies about it, and if they genuinely can't get their hands on the tape, what recourse do they have?

I'm sure they tried to do some due diligence on it, Hunt wasn't honest, it was he-said-she-said, and they hoped it would be buried going forward.

What do you think the Chiefs realistically could've done at that point?

LMAO. He's a RB. For ****s sake, fatass CJ Anderson stepped in for the best RB in football and performed damn near as well. Damien Williams did the same thing here and James Connor did it in Pittsburgh. Like, it sucks that the stupidity of Kareem Hunt cost him his job here but this caterwauling is ridiculous.

Yeah, Veach may have "found" Mahomes, but Dorsey was the one who ultimately pulled off the trade and drafted him. Being a good GM means listening to your scouts.

FYP :)

Disagree completely. Bill might have traded him, but the Pats don't GAF what anyone thinks about anything. They want to win and they do. Period.

It's a ****ing running back. One that was suspended at the time and will now miss 10-12 games this year.

Surely they could have traded him for a first or second rounder, ami right?

I totally agree. The fact that TMZ got the tape before an NFL team is a f***ing joke, but its also a hard position for the chiefs to be in. A player that you don't know if they are lying or not, and a league you're having to ride a fine line with. In the end they were probably smart to abide by the league, rather than getting in trouble with the league over a player that did some shit like that. I think they should have just suspended him 4 games either way. Then another 4 when the video came out.

Wow.

They already had a really good HB. I think Chubb finished the season 2nd in the NFL in yards after contact (yes, I know he only started like 9 games.)

It's what the Patriots would have done.

Bill traded a top 3 pass rusher in the NFL because he showed up naked and high at a police station.

Suspend him and keep his rights.

or keep him. What's the hurry?

They thought they had.

Come to find out Hunt had lied to them all.

You want to get fired? Go to the guy that owns the company and repeatedly lie to his face...

Maybe after he finished his rookie deal.

Exactly.

Now I will agree with that the Pats could give 2 shits about PR or what anyone thinks.

So you like being lied to? Is it ok for your wife or gf to **** around and lie till you discover the truth? What do you do then hang on to her or give the boot.

I know, I'm just so damn disappointed in this whole ordeal and the lack of effort on behalf of the Chiefs to address this issue when it mattered the most.

Trade and release aren't equal.

A lot of amateur NFL owners who don't give a shit about domestic abuse second guessing Clark.

Wife/running back analogy is really stupid, but I think you know that. Even if Hunt is a perfect citizen, he's not a 50-year solution.

The NFL doesn't give a **** about domestic abuse, they just pretend like they do.

How was this domestic abuse?

I think you're thinking of Tyreek Hill.

So we should’ve kept Hunt and allowed the media to drag Tyreek’s name through the mud too?

Sounds like a great idea!

Some of you are hard headed as ****.

So Dorsey signed Carlos Hyde, then changed his mind in 7 months. The Browns have about $5 million in dead money and Hyde counts for half of that.

I know they have a lot of money for the next 2 years, but holy shit. Dorsey’s terrible finance management has (unsurpringly) followed him to Cleveland.

Pretty sure you can't trade anyone on the Commissioner's exempt list.

Just logged onto ChiefsPlanet to see this thread and I'm not going to bother to read the whole thing, but this statement pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter. :shrug:

You keep posting the same comment. The chiefs should'nt give two f***s about what they media thinks. The pats dont, the rams dont. They got to a SB. Fans will still go to games, still pay Clark Hunt's ridiculous parking fee and still buy the $10 beers.

:facepalm:

Except this was just a football player who lied to an owner.

You’re right the Chiefs shouldn’t care about the national media possibly making our whole team out to be women beaters and our owner/HC/front office to be women beater apologists. That would’ve been great in the middle of our potential SB run.

Are you ****ing reeruned?

Better than going to the broncos.

He was a good young player here. It sucks.

But they cut him midseason, threw in a few guys they had on the roster there and were a Dee Ford offsides from going to the SB.

I'm guessing they disagree on just how important he was/is to the success of the team.

You sure as shit are. If you can't realize that these stories pass in about a week or two then you must not pay attention. Something bigger and better comes along. Chiefs fans HATED tyreek hill, now you're watching him every sunday and loving it.

Ah, but now you're operating in a world with perfect information as to how this was ultimately going to play out.

So let's take us back to a year ago when his actually happened. Some allegations against Kareem. Unproven. It's Kareem's word and those of his friends versus the word of some girl who by most accounts was likely intoxicated. Presumably they have the body camera footage as well.

You're saying the Chiefs would've been right to suspend him on that basis? Does that sound like it would've been justified at the time? How many of you would've been bitching about his suspension owing to that information set? How much would CP have likely melted down when we might've lost the opener to the Chargers? Or the game at Denver?

So - you still think they should've suspended him at the time? Yes, if they had perfect foresight that a tape would come out and have that look, and if suspending him to start the season was the way the Chiefs could plausibly retain Hunt in the future, then we can all agree that maybe it would've been the right call at the time. (Though very possible we don't win the AFC West, don't win a home playoff game, and still would've possibly released Hunt given public pressure.)

ROFL ROFL "We had to release Hunt b/c the media would hurt Hill's fee fees by blowing things out of proportion like they always do!" ROFL ROFL

A week or two?? Do yourself a favor and go peruse Twitter right now about Kareem Hunt. It's been more than two weeks. Have people forgotten?

Absolutely not. They should have suspended him when the video came out.

byeeee

Chief Fan is so ****ing stupid.

After him not playing for about two weeks ya they did forget. Now he just got signed, it will be about two weeks and they'll forget. He will come back, that will be another story. Give it another two weeks and they'll f***ing forget.

The only reason this story somewhat “passed” (it still hasn’t) is because we cut him.

If we wouldn’t have, the story would’ve continued because the outrage community wouldn’t have let it go.

Are you really this ****ing stupid?

So... is there like any chance here we could maybe bring him back after that contract ends. I want him back.

The Chiefs didn't give a shit what he did in the video. They didn't trust him anymore.

You do realize I was responding to someone who posted that the Chiefs were to blame for not getting out ahead of this when they first learned of the allegations?

Unless you think that suspending Hunt after the tape was released after he was put on the commissioner's exemption list is getting out ahead of things? :hmmm:

Can't imagine there being value in controlling his rights.

I mean, the Chiefs can't imagine that.

You quoted my post so I assumed you were responding to me.

Yup and if he did it again someone probably loses their job.

Trust him to do what? Play football?

Seriously, you guys are ****ing reeruned if you don’t see what that situation could’ve turned into.

The entire Chiefs organization literally would’ve been labeled women beater apologists forever and it would’ve been a PR nightmare.

To pretend it would’ve been anything else is ignorant as ****. Do you pay attention to what’s going on in our society?

Not to ****ing lie you stupid son of a bitch

To be able to not do shit like that again?

There's a little more to this than what happens on Sunday from 12-3 i'd imagine, no?

I wish we'd have gotten a larger sample-size as to what we have in Darrel W. I know most of you aren't concerned about RB - but you better do at least one move to add one. I don't think Ware will be here. I don't agree w/ most's take on this matter.

The Chiefs tried to help him out and he lied to them multiple times. You ****ing idiot.

Gotta disagree here man. Hunt got stoned at the line A LOT. He’s not Jamaal Charles where he just needs a tiny bit of daylight to squirt through. Hunt isn’t that. What Hunt was excellent at was not going down in the open field where he had room to wiggle. Not at getting through closed gaps.

The problem with the AFCCG IMO was Reid’s absolute failure in gameplanning the OL assignments to deal with the stunts. That wouldn’t have changed with Hunt running into brick walls. The only difference he could have made in that ghastly first half would be if he caught something in the open field or got loose on a stretch play and to my recolllection we didn’t get much there.

Hunt is better than Williams no doubt but the loss in the AFCCG was on Reid, not our stable of RBs.

Draft one in the middle rounds or sign a veteran free agent. We'll be fine. Running backs grow on trees.

i get that - i just hope they address it. That's my fear.

Any chance some of you guys are hiring?

I'm looking for a job where I can lie directly to my boss about a series of violent incidents but keep my job because I'm a high performer.

I had this other job recently where I got fired for - well - getting a little physical with a female, and I'm totally the victim here and everyone I know is now blaming my boss.

Imagine being so ****ing stupid that you STILL don’t understand why the Chiefs had to trade Peters and cut Hunt.

Pitt Gorilla is such a ****ing idiot

& frankly Darrel may be the answer. Def. not trying to overlook him.

^this^

We would have been the 5th seed and probably lost to the Ravens on the road... It would have been a circus.

I'm thankful for these threads. I'm still trying to determine who the real dumbshits are and threads like these help a lot.

His whole "Chief Fan" thing is ****ing reeruned too. He's a ****ing mongoloid.

A lie is a lie whats the difference besides you being ok with them.

You’d honestly have to be living under a rock for the last several years not to get it.

that's very sweet to say. Very thoughtful, kind and gentle. Great loving act of kindness.

You had responded to me responding to someone else.

To quote you again directly about you this time (so there is no miscommunication here):

Nah, just let him go. Good RB's are a burden. It's almost always a mistake to pay them, and when they're good and your fan base has an affinity for him, you almost always have to pay him.

We've seen his production replaced. We haven't seen the big plays in the same fashion as Hunt, but they're there. They're just different.

Let some other team get forced into paying him. And i say this as a Kareem Hunt fan, and grudgingly wish him the best in Brown Town.

Kareem Hunt can stay on his feet. That's his superpower. It's a great power, but not the only one.

For instance, if the Chiefs were to draft a RB with scorching speed that would be a tool that would be useful in my opinion.

I'm quoting your post which indicates that you are now responding to him, explaining that you quoted his quote responding to a separate post. I just wanted in on this! Exciting!

you all know I want Hill from OK State.

What about Charcandrick West? :D

Clearly, the NFL has a job for Hunt. There is, literally, zero question about that.

Are you anywhere NEAR as good at your job as Hunt is at his?

I was glad he scored one though. He's a nice guy. Yeah he's toast tho

Do you think the Chiefs would cut Pat for merely lying? What if he hoops it up this weekend at his house?

I'd like to see West get a job - I suppose he could contribute to a team who's not good in Special Teams?

It appears the Browns are cool with it. I wonder why.

There have always been two camps on this board. One camp says that there are plenty of good football players out there, thus we don't need to scrape the gutters for low character guys when there are plenty of other options. The other camp doesn't care one iota about a player's character, because the attitude is 'just win baby', and they don't believe having poor character guys around will hurt the team at all. Having a team full of thugs that looks good on paper would please them greatly. "We haven't won with good guys, so we should bring in a bunch of bad guys". It's silly.

The Raiders/Bengals model very rarely results in sustained success in the NFL and bad apples ruin barrels, which the whole league understands except fans of teams that haven't gotten over the hump in the past.

Probably?