Honestly, more than anything, I think it's a lot more about pure insensitivity.

I would imagine (and hope) that this isn't a move by any retailer to bump up Black Friday to Thursday at 9pm. If it is, shame on them.

If they aren't, then basically, the store is going to be swamped with lurkers waiting for the clock to strike midnight. Probably a ton of workers to staff a store where a lot of people are there but not buying anything.

Yea, skilled nursing care for geriatric patients. Every one that I know of is open, lovely medicare laws.

Back in the day when I worked at Treasury Drug (now CVS) the store was open like 9-3. The pay was time and a half (or double) and there would usually be a ton of us asking to work that shift. I used to almost every holiday by CHOICE.

These big box greedy companies not only do not pay holiday anymore but they don't even recognize the holidays as it pertains to their employees only their customers.

Well, that is different. If you are working in an assisted living facility then I think it's more like a hospital setting where it's expected and even required to have around the clock access to care. You are not talking a standard doctors office.

To Deberg's point, I think the difference is police, firefighters, EMT, hospitals, etc. provide LIFE SAVING SERVICES. They are also many times GOVERNMENT workers compensated quite handsomely for their work on holidays.

If you are going to equate buying cheap crap made in third world countries as the same level of importance then this country is even more fugged than I even imagined. And if you are, then why aren't retail workers compensated equivalent to doctors, EMT, firefighters, etc?

I don't know about railroad workers. But those are bad examples because public welfare is compromised if you don't have those people on staff. Nobody is going to die because Target wasn't open on Thanksgiving.

As we've said throughout... 1) these employees took the job with the expectation that Thanksgiving was off, and now it's not. Many people who work thanksgiving knew that when they took their job; 2) grocery stores and other retail open during the day, but with the expectation that employees can spend the night with their family. Thanksgiving is, in general, a night holiday; 3) many people will choose to work Thanksgiving to make more money. That's fine, as long as it's clear there is a choice. It doesn't feel that way here at all for Target. It sure sounds like those who choose not to work will be looked down upon; 4) we are talking about Thanksgiving hour crazy season. This isn't just opening up a store. This is asking employees to work on the holidays in one of the most intense, nightmarish shopping days of the year.

I provided therapy, not care which the nurses perform. Yet sadly, I am expected to work even though I was pretty sure I would have these holidays off. Please feel bad for me. Oh wait, pretty happy to have a job and you have to realize you follow the rules unless you are the one making them.

Um maybe because these positions don't require the education or training to perform them than the others. :facepalm:

Again, because you work at the facility I think it would be somewhat more expected. Just like the janitorial staff, kitchen and cafeteria, and housekeeping at a hospital might not be saving someone's life but they have to be there to clean up some kid's vomit, feed visitors coming to the hospital, and wash linens and towels. There is an inherent expectation that services provided at the hospital are 24/7/365 and working at the facility you accept that premise.

I think retail is no way equivalent. Unless it's a pharmacy which is now open 24/7/365. I often marvel at how lucky parents are now that they are. I remember many a sleepless night with sick toddlers whose prescriptions could not be filled until morning. And also having to make sure our cabinet was stocked with every conceivable medication in the event one got sick in the middle of the night.

Right, but if we are placing a moral and ethical equivalency on them...Saying their presence is as needed and valued as someone with a doctorate or life saving skills.

That's what I was wondering. I think it's idiotic that stores are going to open on Thanksgiving for "Black Friday." However, I don't feel that sorry for the people working there - that's just how it goes.

because all of those professions listed have great jobs...where most Target employees work for minimum wage...

being a police officer, that just comes with the position, and they probably live great lives...

I'd say the Target employee has it a little rougher...

that said, who gives a shit...I'm not a holiday kind of person, I'll work every and all holidays and enjoy the extra pay...I can usually sneak out and still spend a little time with my family anyways.

Most retail workers DO NOT get extra pay for holidays.

Seriously... Be thankful you have a job and you can feed your family... I am

If I go to work wednesday night before thanksgiving and do not get off til 11 am Thanksgiving day, I do not get paid extra and I work for Fedex but I ain't complaining...

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yeah, this looks like fun~~~

I was talking about myself working holidays and getting holiday pay.

As for retail workers, yes I agree...I feel sorry for them, but hey, at least they have a job.

Things could be worse.

For the record, I'm working on Black Friday (non-retail) by choice. But if either of my jobs required me to work on Thanksgiving, especially with little previous notice, I'd quit.

Christmas and Easter are not important to me. Birthdays are not that important. Screw Mother's Day and other Hallmark holidays. New Years and the Fourth of July can both take a hike...

there is ONE day that means a shit ton to my family and that is Thanksgiving. We aren't religious people nor are we conspicuous consumers. We are simply people who appreciate the opportunity to take ONE HOLIDAY that means something by it's simplicity and it's gratitude to spend time with each other watching football, eating great food, and being thankful for the many, many blessings we have. Sure, I like to encourage that behavior every day but to have one day where we do it as a family, community, country is truly special.

It's really very sad our country has lost this and what is worse is that, as the generations age, the expectation of it from younger generations will be gone some day as well.

**** that, I am claustrophobic

OK, how about grocery store workers then.

Same thing.

BUT

In my experience with those types of jobs, before you're ever even hired they make you quite aware that you are guaranteed to work most holidays...

Shit, when I was 16 the movie theater made us work 2 out of 3 Christmas/Thanksgiving/New Years...

So honestly, they were aware of Holiday work before ever signing that dotted line.

So yes, I feel sorry for them they can't spend time with their families over the holidays but I do not feel sorry about them having jobs in this economy...especially when many grocery store workers don't have any prior work experience, or have misdemeanors, or have felonies...at least they get a paycheck.

(and I'm sorry if that was a stereotype I'm not trying to be an asshole just realistic)

I worked Christmas Eve at a restaurant back in college...we were the only restaurant that stayed open. We expected there to be no crowd. We got slammed. I made $450. Merry Christmas.

these tasty cheeks didn't just grow on a tree...these tasty cheeks have many life experiences.

Those complaining about working should watch the Georgia food stamp video.

I worked every thanksgiving at Blockbuster we were the only place open to get candy and two liters. This was in st joseph so we changed the way we answered the phone to "No we are out of Blade 1 and 2"

In this stage of the economy, we are sadly clinging to this excuse. I work a 40-hour a week job but end up working 70-80 on many weeks because there's too much work for too few employees. And yes, that is frustrating when executives are compensated the same (often more) in a down economy, yet the average worker is working more hours for the same pay.

So yes, we should be thankful for our jobs. But that doesn't mean we should be happy when these kinds of things are done, in my opinion, very insensitively.

I really lucked out...I moved home and applied for a temporary job and the guy that interviewed me told me I was too qualified and told me about an opening they had and I ended up stumbling into the best (and easiest) job I've ever had.

For that, I'll work every damn holiday they throw at me.

I'm a salary employee now, at work, playing poker and posting on a Chiefs board...and this is somehow perfectly acceptable. I love America!

They hurt themselves overall...

I remember back in the 80's I worked for this trucking company and for thanksgiving or christmas (cant remember which) we always got this canned ham that probably cost 5 bucks or so in bulk like they bought them, well they decided one year instead of getting that canned ham for us to give us this big nasty memo posted on the employees wall that said haw bad we done this year, need to do better, blah blah blah...

Every driver figureed out a way to get atleast what that ham costed, some people slid rubber off the tires, some took and extra half hour at lunch etc. Drivers would walk by you and ask.. Did you get your ham today? and everybody would say yes.:thumb:

Bullshit. That's exactly how corporate America wants you to feel, but the second you do they'll walk the **** all over you.

When the economy is the way it is, Corps have the advantage, when the economy is strong, the worker has the advantage...

I go to work, mind my business and I go home... Don't have to deal with the public, Don't really have to answer to anyone unless I fail to get the loads from point a to point b in a timely manner or wreck. I assume others don't have it like this but this is how it is for me.

What the hell time do people eat Thanksgiving dinner these days?

FAIL HAHAHAHA

It's not a fail. Target will sell a few more products today (many at a loss), but it's not worth the reputational hit they will take. Yet another example of idiotic opportunism trumping common sense.

If you don't want to work Thanksgiving work on finding a job that allows you to be off.

Where is the outrage over the Golden Coral Restaurant employees or the Bob Evans restaurant employees? Or the Holiday Inn employees?

Target and WalMart aren't the only service industries or retail stores working and others have been doing it forever.

Also and if it is such an outrage then nobody should show up to shop, but that wont happen so............

Havent read through the whole thread but no I dont feel they deserve any less hours than they signed up for. EVERYONE knows retail stores hire seasonal workers for the crazy hours and massive amounts of product moving out of their stores. If you dont like the job you have good luck finding another one.

Heres how it went down at a local KC Victorias Secret.


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Because those are service industries where employees basically volunteer in exchange for time and a half. And they aren't there managing a nightmarish stampede of customers. I also doubt there's much ability to use vacation time.

I don't care about holiday hours for retail, as long as its clear that people an volunteer for shifts. Pretty clear that didn't happen in target, nor does it sound like they gave their employees time to prepare.

The Ugly side of Black Friday




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Is there a pretty side?

Don't think i'd mind being in the middle of that pack...

heh, whassup with the 2 dudes right there in front? WTF??

I dont understand what's going on in these people's heads.

I just dont get it.

I was thinking about stopping by Sears on my way to the office this morning, but decided i could wait till lunch or something. It's not that big of a deal.

I went to Walmart and got my first ever taste of "Black Friday". **** that, it will be my last. No deal is worth that bullshit.

I'm not standing 4 hours in line for something that costs $40.

It doesn't make sense.

Work those hours and pay more for a better product...

Yeah. I was helping my Mother in Law out last night who wanted to pick up a small T.V.

We got there at 8 pm to "beat the rush"......

yeah.....****ing zoo. Then they told us we still had to wait in line for the T.V's and the line doesn't start moving till 10.

**** that, we left.

Well I was bored last night and decided to drive by Target because I've been wanting an IPad but the lines were about a 3 hour wait to pay.

I turned around and said **** this isn't worth it just for a 60 dollar gift card.

I found the same deals online for an iPod Touch that my kid wanted.

No wait, no fighting, no fuss....

WOW

I seriously couldn't handle that shit.
First time I got shoved I would have thrown a punch.

This is why its just better to get shit online.

People are so ****ing stupid

You can get it an least an hour online before the store opens.

No, most retail jobs have done away with it in favor of PTO.. Which screws them more..

black friday really reiterates my stance on how stupid americans are

I would be grabbing a TON of ass in that crowd.

20 dollars cheaper for some ChiCom shit tvs