So for you guus that are changing opinions on guys now, does that mean your opinions were wrong just based on their on field play?

Put some names into your accusations?

I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm just curious what the movement of guys at this point is based on?

Just don't care to read through many of pages to determine who you refer to, but okay.. if you don't want to go there, no problem.

It was just a general statement.

Over the years I've just put less and less into the combine.

That's fair. For me, it's just an interesting thing to consider for the bizarre results. Conley runs that fast... worth taking another look. Dawson runs slow? check his games again. Just something to make sure the early impressions hold or are something to reconsider.

I haven't really liked many of the receivers "less" per say, I just don't value them as highly round wise based upon certain factors like size and speed. Also have watched more tape on some other guys.


I don't like Justin Hardy in rounds 1 or 2 anymore because he measured at barely 5'10" instead of at his over 6'0" that he was listed in college. That's a huge difference in terms of where you think a guy can play in the league. That size difference coupled with the fact he ran 4.56, that's big. Now I can't think of him as an outside guy, a #2. I basically have to think of him as a slot only, and that's probably fair based on revisiting his tape too.


A guy like Chris Conley, I had really watched much of him, but after seeing him run at the combine it made me go back and look for the guy on tape. He stands out, he's a good receiver. He's a guy I might not have really been all that aware of until he posted great numbers.

Another guy, he looks good on tape and runs like dog shit, and that's the kid from Fresno State, Josh Harper. Now instead of liking him somewhere on day 2, he's probably a 4th, 5th, maybe 6th round guy. You go back to the tape on a guy like that, and you start nitpicking the separation issues a little more.

I still like a few guys a bunch. I like Devin Smith. I like Stefon Diggs. I still like Breshad Perriman and Jaelen Strong. I like Tre McBride.

I still don't like some guys like Sammie Coates and DGB. I've probably dropped Vince Mayle quite a bit. I was higher on him than draft boards early on. I don't know if I like a 4.65 40. I like to see 4.55 or better and then like a good 3-cone and short shuttle.

Did anything he did on the field say hardy couldn't play outside? If not, I don't see how his size or straight line speed have anything to do with it.

When you start using those metrics to determine where or how a guy can play, you miss out on good football players.

Huge difference between NFL corners and NCAA corners. That's why people who say "College team A could be NFL team Z" sound so stupid. You get it O. Yes, Hardy can separate well on quick routes, on tape didn't show great deep speed but thought maybe it was adequate. He runs 4.56 and is 5'10". NFL corners on the outside are 6'0" and run 4.45. He's not going to beat those guys. They are going to stick to him deep, they are going to stick to him on curls and hooks. He isn't going to get those high point catches outside his frame like he did in college against longer NFL corners. He's got to be matched up correctly.

Thats just too cookie cutter for me. "Corner x in the nfl will do this etc".

Acceleration in and out of breaks, route running, etc, there's just so much more to it than speed and measurableS.

Hardy is a really good football player Though. If we can pick him, he'd be a good player for us.

Not so sure of this. Hardy's 40 time doesn't concern me all that much... depending on the refs you get week to week. Out of near all WR prospects, where Hardy shines is his scrappy nature. His hand fighting is top-shelf... and he can find a way to separate.

I didn't love his size, and that does hurt a bit. I have him as an early 4th, but that's not so much his fail as it is a really thick WR class of talent. KC can draft him in rd 3, and I wouldn't at all be upset.

Some dudes just are not proficient in the precise mechanics of the 40.

Oh, I haven't stopped liking Hardy, what I've changed is how soon and where I expect he can make a living in the NFL. I have him as a guy I'd have to consider the board in the 2nd round, I don't think I'd take him there but maybe. Depends on the WR run and how I'd view his availability going into the 3rd. I don't see him making it out of round 3. I like him a bunch as a slot and have called him a prototype at that position.

BTW the guys that make a big impact in this league at under 6' at WR on the outside aren't guys that don't run in the 4.4's. Just sayin. I have written about short receivers and how they are valuable, but speed does matter when there are other elements lacking. Doesn't mean a guy can't make a living in the league. Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, those guys aren't fast. That doesn't mean they don't catch a shitload of balls, but it also doesn't mean they primarily operate outside.

Hardy just seems like a guy that will inevitably get pushed down due to measurables, get drafted with a chip on his shoulder, work his ass off and be a mother fer for years.

Or he could bust. Lol

ah, but the fun of the draft. Just never can be so sure. :)