Yeah, that seems crazy. How can that be just to move up 3 spots? Definitely cause for reconsidering the rule. I like having trading of picks as an option, though.

We could do something like limit the amount you could get back in a tradedown to two picks in the same draft. And limit the number of trades you can make in a draft to two per year. That would keep us from getting ridiculous with the number of picks we end up with and it would be a modest penalty to compensate for the fact that we don't have to actually find a willing trade partner.

A trade up scenario would be different. I'd just stick with the draft chart for that one.

I'm not a big fan of trades that involve future picks just because of the bookkeeping involved, but if you guys want to keep that option, that's fine with me. I'll probably just stick with same-season trades anyway.

So are you proposing that the draft rules are:

Prior to the draft:

1. You can trade up at face value.
2. You can trade down at face value, but are limited to only two picks more in receipt than you give up.

After the draft:

1. You can trade up, but your picks are at a 15 percent discount.
2. You can trade down, but your picks are at a 35 percent discount and you are limited to only two picks more in receipt than you give up.


I made it "two picks more" in case you do something with a package of your own picks, which is not unreasonable. I guess this opens a little room for abuse if I package my 1, 6, and 7, for a 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, but I'm not sure it's indefensible to do that, especially if you've got the #1 choice. Given our small group, we can probably rely on the honor system to do trades that aren't completely infeasible.

Honestly, this probably wouldn't even arise as an issue of concern if we didn't have the #1 pick and its exponential power.

I was quite tempted to trade down ahead of the draft, but I think I'll hold off. If the Chiefs make a trade down I'll consider it, but I might wait until after the draft since I'm not sure how realistic a prior trade down will be. Also, I think I've got my target and I want to see how far he falls.

I was actually thinking of 1 pick more than you give up, but I'm flexible and 2 seems more reasonable now that I think about it.

Makes me no difference. If you're fine with it, let's go with two unless wazu feels differently.

There are a lot of players that interest me this year. While I'm glad I don't need linebackers in the short term, I sure hate to pass up on a couple of them out there. But I probably don't have a choice.

Ok updating as I go I'll have it done tonight and as I said I'll only take chiefs picks from 2012







Trades

Reject Alex Smith trade

Resign Brandon Carr don't get comp third rounder




sign CB Dunta Robinson $15m/3 years
sign S Hasain Abdullah
sign WR Mardy Gilyard
sign DT Marcus Dixon
sign TE Kevin Brock
sign TE Anthony Fasano 4 years
sign QB Chase Daniel 3 years
sign DE Mike DeVito $12.6m/3 years
sign WR Donnie Avery 3 years
sign CB Sean Smith $18m/3 years ($11m guaranteed)
sign OT/OG Geoff Schwartz
sign FB Ryan D'Imperio
sign LB Chad Kilgore
sign LB Frank Zombo
sign OL Tommie Draheim




qb: I unlike the chiefs have a young qb being groomed

rb: same as chiefs

wr: stronger than the chiefs with crabtree and bowe

Te: unfortunately i didn't draft moeaki so i'm weaker

OL: I have youthfull backups but like chiefs need a rt

c: stronger i have matt tenet as the hier apparent to wegman

k and P: same as chieffs

De: more youth than chiefs with selvie added
DT: stronger than chiefs with Cam Thomas
OLB bout the same as chiefs
ILB : stronger with spikes and DJ
Cb: same as chiefs
S: weaker cause no SS kendrick lewis

overall stronger than the chiefs in certain areas draft needs in no order TE, RT, qb, RB WR unlike the chiefs i'm good at DT.


2009 draft

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)

2010 draft

1st: Eric Berry S Tennessee
2nd: Javier Arenas CB Alabama
2nd: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
3rd: Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
4th: Kam Chancelor FS Virginia Tech
5th: CAm Thomas NT North Carolina
5th: John Skelton QB Fordham
5th: Matt Tenet OC Boston College
6th: George Selvie OLB South Florida


2011 Draft

1. Mark Ingram rb alabama
2. Dontay. Moch. OLB. Nevada
3. Leonard Hankerson WR. Miami
3. Allen. Bailey. DE. Miami
4. Owen Marecic. FB. Stanford
5. Ricky Stanzi. QB. Iowa
5. Ahmad. Black. S. Florida
6. Jerrel Powe NT Mississippi
7. Lee Ziemba. OT. Auburn

2012 Draft:

1. DT Dontari Powe Memphis
2. OL Jeff Allen Illinois
3. OT Donald Stephenson Oklahoma
4. WR Devon Wiley Fresno State
5. DB Dequan Menzie Alabama
6. RB Cyrus Gray Texas A & M
7. DE Jerome Long San Diego State
7. WR Junior Hemingway Michigan



ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th





QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB 15 starts
15 skelton, john qb 1 start
12 Ricky Stanzi

HB
25 Charles, Jamaal - 6 starts
28 Mark Ingram -
42 Cyrus Gray


FB
44 Owen Maric



WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne - 16 starts
15 Michael Crabtree -15 starts
87 Leonard Hankerson
88 Junior Hemmingway
17 Devon Wiley


TE
49 leonard pope - 6 starts
81 Kevin Boss
? Scrub


T

76 Albert, Branden - 15 starts
75 Eric Winston
79 Donald Stephenson
74 Lee Ziemba


G

74 Smith, Wade G 16 starts
73 Asomah, john - 1 start
72 Jeff Allen

C
62 wegman casey - 16 starts
61 matt tenet

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina- 16 starts

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P - 16 starts

LS

43 Thomas Gafford


FS

37 Kam Chancelor
21 arenas - 1 start
38 Neiko Thorpe

SS

29 berry, eric - 16 starts
Ahmad Black
31 Tyson Hrtman



CB

24 Flowers, Brandon 15 starts
39 Carr, Brandon - 16 starts
21 arenas, javier - 1 start


OLB

91 Hali, Tamba - 16 starts
51 Brandon Spikes
96 Studebaker, Andy
52 Brandon Williams
99 Edgar Jones


ILB

56 Johnson, Derrick - 16 starts
51 spikes, brandon - 8 starts
59 Belcher, Jovan - 8 starts
95 greenwood, correy

DE

97 Allen Bailey
72 Dorsey, Glenn - 16 starts
94 gillberry, wallace -2 starts
90 Smith, Shaun - 10 starts
78 Ropati Pitoitua

DT

93 Jerrell Powe
92 Dontari Poe
93 Thomas, CAm



IR

49 Dequan Menzie
52 Dontay Moch

Cool. Was that the first year you drafted? If so, you can catch up by building a roster from the following:

Current Chiefs roster (recall that Dorsey is gone)
You can keep any Chiefs player cut in the offseason (e.g., Winston)
Subtract any Chief drafted in 2011

Hmm, I think that's it.

Ok ready for the draft now

made some good picks over the years and some bad ones

trutfully there is no way I would have made these picks last year that is one bad draft


Ok so i keep carr so no third comp pick but still receive sixth comp


As it stands



However I"m not figuring out starts right now

1st no 1

2nd KC pick traded to SF

3rd Kc pick

4th Kc pick

5th Kc pick

6th Kc pick

6th comp

7th Kc pick

One correction, Chiefscafan. Brandon Carr walked, so you have to drop him. You get the third round comp selection, though.

I thought we didn't have to cut people chiefs cut or let go

That was the understanding I had so now I can't keep Carr?

So if Albert is traded I have to accept the trade?

If the player leaves and isn't cut, you lose them. So guys like Carr and Dorsey go and you can't control it. Guys that the Chiefs cut are your option to cut or keep, and guys that the Chiefs trade are your option to accept or reject as long as they're still on your roster.

Going forward, we'll stop losing free agents as long as they weren't Chiefs before the start of the game in 2009. So if Albert leaves, we'll still lose him, but if Eric Berry leaves we can keep him. But we won't get compensatory picks going forward. This will be the last year unless the Chiefs lose a big name that was there prior to 2009.

If he's traded you'll have the power to either accept or reject the trade as long as he's on your roster. Similarly, if the Chiefs trade down in the first you can accept or reject the trade, but you can also trade up or down independently based on the rules of our game.

Planning out my trade for Geno, and it keeps getting better. My understanding is that based on the chart we are using, the 1.1 pick is worth 3,000, so I just need to subtract 35% of that, and then I can go shopping.

35% = 1050

So That means I have 1950 points that I can go find, and trade 1.1 for, correct?

(Edit: Obviously all being from the same team.)