Yep.
GC summed it up nicely earlier in the thread:

On the one hand, people should shut the **** up on twitter. The glorious thing about the internet is that you can be anonymous. If you want to say stupid shit in full view of the public and it gets you in trouble, well that's kinda your own fault, dumbass.

On the other hand, the social media lynch mob is completely out of hand. Papa John's dude gets fired, Roseanne, fired, Gunn, fired, we could probably list 20 more semi-famous people fired or had their careers ruined without putting much effort into it. For stupid shit. To quote Hunt for Red October - This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

I am ready to go back to “Sticks and Stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me”

This shit is going to kill humor and comedy.

Wonder if the new director hopefully will stay true to Galaxy fans. But James Gunn in a sense brought this on himself despite being years old.

Particularly with comedy if you want to go back years and then judge on what’s ok to say on today’s standards.

Hell, or some comedians today. Louis CK would be much more clever than Gunn was in those old tweets, but nothing in Gunn's tweets would be off limits for CK today. Same for the South Park guys.

Bautista aint messin around........



Over the weekend, Dave Bautista weighed in (yet again) on the dire situation facing the production of Marvel's Guardians of The Galaxy Vol. 3: following the termination of James Gunn, the project is now in desperate need of a director, and Disney may even need to push the film's start date back until they find someone who wants the job (you can read more about that right here).

We already knew the rest of the Guardians cast wasn't thrilled about this situation, but Bautista has seemed ... well, he's certainly been the most outspoken member of the group.


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I will do what Im legally obligated to do but @Guardians without @JamesGunn is not what I signed up for. GOTG w/o @JamesGunn just isn’t GOTG. Its also pretty nauseating to work for someone who’d empower a smear campaign by fascists #cybernazis . That’s just how I feel

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@DaveBautista Love your support for @JamesGunn. Do you have any plans or response if Disney doesn’t reinstate him for GotG3?

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Now, in a new interview with ShortList, Bautista has doubled-down on his displeasure with the studio, and says that if they aren't planning to use James Gunn's script for Guardians of The Galaxy Vol. 3, well ... they might need to hire themselves a new Drax.

Here's the quote:

“Nobody’s defending his tweets, but this was a smear campaign on a good man. I spoke to Chris Pratt the day after it happened and he’s a bit religious so he wanted time to pray and figure it out, but I was more like: **** this. This is bullshit. James is one of the kindest, most decent people I’ve met.

“Where I’m at right now is that if [Marvel] don’t use that script, then I’m going to ask them to release me from my contract, cut me out or recast me. I’d be doing James a disservice if I didn’t.”


https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2018/08...-script-isnt-u

He's going to suck Gunn's cock for eternity because Gunn saved his career from a failed attempt at going back to WWE where he was boo'd out of the arena upon his return because who's ever really seen a good Batista match? HW is nothing but a sex cult, age no factor.

While there's probably some element of truth to that, I don't really fault him. He didn't say that Gunn has to direct - only that his script has to be used.

More than any of the other franchises, GOTG is Gunn's baby. Thor, Iron Man, and Captain America were pretty well known before the movies, but GOTG was a pretty niche comic that he brought out of obscurity and made into one of the best of the MCU. If you think about everything that made GOTG great, it all comes back to Gunn. Story? James Gunn. Music selection? James Gunn. Directing (and therefore overall tone and sense of humor)? James Gunn.

I could see GOTG3 working if they 1) keep Gunn's script (hopefully with his music selections already scripted) and 2) have Taika Waititi direct it (who has a similar sense of humor). If either of those aren't happening, they might as well just scrap it.

This. GOTG3 was going to be the final one with this cast anyway.

I also think Waititi would be the perfect replacement.

Yup.

If I ever entertained the idea of public office my posts on CP alone would end that journey before it ever began.

We all do stupid things when we're young. It's a part of growing up. The problem is when you put that whole journey on the internet it may as well have happened yesterday. It's a point that's nearly impossible to get across to young people today.

There's a difference between an isolated comment/post/tweet and THOUSANDS of jokes about pedophilia. I'm not saying a person's life should be ruined but I think it's reasonable to see why he shouldn't be making children's movies.

So it sounds like Drax and Starlord are going to survive Avengers 4.

This should have been easy from day one. If it's not done on work time, and it's not work related, it's not work's business.

But the left decided that free speech meant anything-but-free speech (and the right had been guilty of it from time to time even before the 'modern' era of this crap, so neither party is completely on the side of the angels with this), so here we are.

These are pedantic questions that do nothing to address the issue of hyper sensitive pussies getting people fired for jokes on the internet. I used different words to prevent redundancy. It's normal. Gunn isn't innocent regarding whipping up hate mobs. I don't feel bad for HIM, I'm just sick of he disgusting hypocrisy and lack of any moral standard on this issue from all sides.

As for why I use retribution, the answer is obvious. It's a more accurate descriptor.

As far as I'm concerned i"m one of the only ****ing people around here who's consistent on this.

Don't fire people for jokes. Who they support politically doesn't alter my values as much as it does the rest. I'm against it. I don't feel bad for gunn as an individual. I just think you guys on both sides are making entertainment boring as **** all to win political points which serve NO ****ING PURPOSE other than self satisfaction.

I don't believe in gerrymandering my values. Never have. I'm a free speech advocate, not a "free speech for me, but not for thee" advocate. This is exactly why I said the worst thing the left can do is punt the issue of free speech to the right, because the right doesn't really value it. It's just a convenience for them now because the left is so openly against it and it's an easy win, but they'll abandon it overnight if that becomes the most beneficial path.

Well THAT was a tad more inflammatory, misguided and self-aggrandizing than I I expected. But you do you.

In the abstract, I agree that people are too sensitive. But I disagree that being sanguine about how Gunn is treated is 'abandoning a priniciple.'

I have the principle that people are too sensitive about a lot of things. But I also acknowledge that these sensitive people wield a lot of power and aren't going anywhere.

More importantly [for me, let me know if you disagree, . . . or even CONSIDERED] in the case of Gunn, this principle of against societal hypersenstivity comes up hard against another principle I have that people who are active in imposing rules must exist in the world they create, even when it doesn't go well for them.

I'm not abandoning the principle of free expression because Gunn is liberal, or because he's a vocal opponent of any particular thing or other that I support. I'm superceding that principle of free expression with the principle of living in the world you create because Gunn has been vocal in the excommunication and dispossession of people IN HIS VERY PROFESSION who say things that offend him EVEN IF THEY'RE JOKING.

I know plenty of entertainers who have said even MORE twisted stuff than Gunn, and I haven't said a thing . . . because they AREN"T HYPOCRITES about offensive speech. They're not leading the charge to create this environment you hate.

I don't know, maybe you're oblivious to how involved Gunn has been in shaming entertainers who go off reservation. Or maybe you know and don't care.

I still fully support free expression. But to make a living as an entertainer/creative is still a privilege. And it's a privilege with a queue of motivated and talented people a mile long right outside the door to replace the discarded. So I'm marginally less passionate about the free expression of an individual who has already been handsomely rewarded and chooses to devote so much of his time and power trying to shove nonconformists out of the boat, . . when that culture comes back and bites them in the ass.

And the purpose isn't simple retribution. As a hypothetical, suppose you and I shared identical levels of passion and devotion to free expression. And further suppose we are similarly outraged at the scandalmongering and shaming that drives people out of creative pursuits.

My hope in holding those who impose these restrictions to the standards they set is that they will one day be less judgmental if people they like [or people they are] suffer a bit from their own stifling environment. This incident with Gunn is an opportunity to alter perspectives.

What is your hope in letting the instigators escape their self-created repercussions? Your own self-satisfied adherence to principle? A MOVIE? What does your approach do to actually move towards societal realization of your precious principles?

And if you need specificity, . . and I can go all night with examples.

The closest to the Gunn situation are, in my estimation Judd Apatow and Michael Ian Black.

Both shame and exile, and both have said some corrosive stuff in their history. But I'm not storming the Bastille over them. In MIB's case, I feel a little sorry for him because, even though he's a smarmy douche, he's also relatively harmless and hasn't garnered the highest accolades and powers that others might have. OTOH, I probably wouldn't shed TOO many tears if I learned either of them lost out on a role or project or two. Not that either are likely to, either.

Another near them is Whedon. Though his problems are more in his misogyny than his depravity of humor.

Somewhat at a remove I'd put the likes of Harmon/Roiland, who have some truly vile stuff that they once generated in the name of humor. They're partially unstable semi-geniuses who have already suffered in their way for their crassness [Harmon has been fired many times from things he's been integral to or even foundational, and Roiland is nowhere near as famous as he should be. But you sense they know how ****ed up their mental processes and senses of humor are and, while they are vociferously judgmental in the politcal realm are not exclusionary in the creative realm.

This is a lot of stuff that "sources said," so take it with a grain of salt, but apparently:

1. Gunn may still make $10m from the film because he didn't breach his contract. (The "offense" happened long before the contract was signed.)
2. He may be released from all Disney obligations immediately due to the situation, which means...
3. He could possibly go to another studio pretty much immediately, and a number of them have already called about trying to get him on board. That said...
4. There are also rumors Disney could even have him back again in the future after the dust settles.

It would be kind of hilarious if he gets $10m from Disney to go to DC and actually fix some of their damn awful movies.

When Bryan Singer goes without notice all the above seems shallow.

And as long as people put politics first (you did it so it's fair for me to!) and things like freedom of speech and forgiveness second this will just get worse.

For both sides...

I guess the way I see the 'retaliatory' strikes is as a sort of mutually assured destruction, or at least as a harbinger of it.

Look - I'm not going to try to stay completely neutral here. I absolutely think the progressive left started this shit and they are the most frequent drivers of it. But if the right does nothing but stand idly by and get attacked, the left will never back off it. You can logically, neutrally point out its chilling effect on humor, speech, education - everything all day - they won't care. It's blood in the water for them and the social media mob/affirmation is an aphrodisiac.

The only way the left stops punching here is if enough of them get hit back. If they then realize that this shit has an opportunity to truly scorch the earth and make things unnecessarily uncomfortable for everyone, the fight's just gonna be one-sided; conservatives getting punched in the mouth.

It's not a "you did it so I get to do it" thing - it's a "how 'bout you guys see how this is going to hurt YOU as well so NEITHER of us will do it anymore" kind of thing.

These mobs suck. They suck when they happen to conservative pundits, liberal directors, athletes, professors, whatever. They ****ing suck and I want them to stop from ALL sides. But the right trying to sit there and stay above the fray just made them the only folks getting barbecued. If they want this approach to stop, they have to show the other side the possible consequences.

"He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue..."

This is the rationale for a Trump presidency in a nutshell, IMO.

Again, and DJLN goes into more specificity than I do, I'm trying hard to keep it out of politics and in psychology/sociology.

I'm a Skinnerian. It's a psychological perspective more than a political leaning. But I believe that people respond inexorably to punishment and reward.

So the key is to be very specific about what you reward and punish and why.

That's why I don't support censoring or punishing people who have different political views, but I do support punishing people who create punitive social environments they themselves are not living up to.

Not sure that it's simply the rationale, so much as its a concise summation of a segment of his appeal.

It may seem a bit of a chicken/egg thing, I think there is a difference between the electorate saying 'I demand an attack dog' and Trump saying 'I'll be an attack dog' and the electorate responding 'sounds appealing.'

Ok, I'll buy that.

Need to expand on this. I did not purposefully omit Singer. As I said, I can tick off countless examples, but just picked a couple for illustrative purposes.

A couple confounding variables in the Singer matter.

First, for all the depths of depravity whispered about his actions, he's been astounding in his ability to keep a lid on it and marginalization of the accusers. The accuser who recanted was a big deal, taking a lot of heat off. But in time Spacey may prove as big a deal, if he finds himself cornered and in danger, rather than simply ostracized.

He's a ticking time bomb, but there's been an absence of smoke/fire/gun. . . . hard evidence.

Second, separate and apart from the question of whether he is guilty of what is whispered about him, he has kept a low profile far away from the cesspool of judgment. It's probably a self-preservation move. But he's largely content to make movies and **** teenage boys in his pool.

Disney might reinstate Gunn


EXCLUSIVE: Might there be a glimmer of hope for change of heart in the quick banishment of Guardians of the Galaxy director James Gunn from the Magic Kingdom? Nobody is talking about it, but sources said that back channel conversations are taking place between Marvel Studios and Disney. Sources said the Marvel contingent is trying to persuade Disney to explore a compromise that might bring Gunn back into the fold for Guardians 3, something that clearly would be best for the franchise. There is no clash or strong arming here. I’m told it’s a discussion that comes in the wake of the whole cast declaring their loyalty to Gunn, whose abrupt exit has put a thriving film franchise in a rocky place. One would have to label this 11th hour approach to be a long shot, but the community is talking about it.

https://deadline.com/2018/08/james-g...pt-1202443199/

^^

Left Nut crushed it. Good work.

whats laughable is that a lot of these MCU fans (and the cast of GotG ) are acting like Gunn is some "genius" director. He isn't all that imo. MCU fans acting like he's Christopher ****ing Nolan or something . Gunn is no loss. His writing for the sequel was filled with some cringeworthy lines thru out ("I have famously huge turds" or "Oh! My nipples!" )

He can only blame himself (wasn't a teenager when he tweeted all that bizarre creepy shit). Dude was in his 40s & 50s jfc.

Also, IMO Gunn is easily replaceable (as are ALL the MCU directors). All these fools do is follow Feige's "vision" and profit. There isn't that much creative freedom involved in the MCU/Disney.

I would say that's accurate for most. Not me, but most. I think most see an opportunity to "hurt one of theirs" based on the rules many libs/dems set up. Even though I agree with the stance in this case I absolutely disagree with the tactic.

You don't beat the evil by being more evil.

I'll go even further and state that if this is the preferred tactic of as much as half the right/Reps we all lose. We'll all suffer. This will end with a never-ending vice that squeezes free speech and expression until all individuality is lost forever.

By law.


Insane people don't respond to pleas for sanity.

We are already there.

Look at ANTIFA. What do you think happens to the right if Antifa is allowed to contiue? We'll end up with something even more reeruned than the KKK or Neo-Nazis from the right as a response. It's inevitable. It's human nature.

He's a known pedophile (by definition.)

He's widely known to throw parties where boys as young as 14 are referred to as "party favors."

He isn't shy about it but much like Hollywood Harvey he's got pull and influence.

As you have mentioned it's only a matter of time before one of those "pool boys" prays the gay away or gets paid $$$ to come forward after offered a TV special and book deal. After that the "legitimate" victims will come forward as well. It's how it always happens...

I don't know jack shit about his contract or how Disney does business but on reddit someone was saying that's why Disney may backtrack (like cutting an NFL player right after signing a huge deal with guaranteed money.)

GOTG3 is now officially "on hold."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...firing-1137400

booooooooooo

Language

Fascinating thread/conversation. Sans a rare few, rather odd discourtesies, a most civil and interesting discussion.

It's good to know that considered thought has survived.

FAX THE TIPPING HIS METAPHORICAL HAT

Just stay out of DC. That outfit hasn’t changed.

Stick around though.

Gunn is officially heading to DC. It'll be interesting to see if this ends up being seen as a huge mistake by Disney if he can actually make a good flick in the DC universe.

https://deadline.com/2018/10/james-g...ct-1202479455/

James Gunn Boards ‘Suicide Squad 2’ To Write And Possibly Direct

James Gunn has been hired by Warner Bros and DC to write with an eye to direct the next installment of the Suicide Squad franchise. It’s the first job he’s taken since he parted ways with Disney, which let him go from the lucrative Guardians of the Galaxy franchise in July in the wake of old controversial tweets that had been compiled by alt-right journalists and sent to Disney.

(more at the link)

Interesting. I'll have to keep an eye on SS2 then.

I am one of the few people that liked SS.

Hahaha

A HUGE middle finger to Disney

Bravo Gunn!

Will Smith did all he could to save that turd of a film, I'll give him that.

Should've just let the storm blow over.

Gunn also made those awful live action Scooby Doo movies. He is replaceable.

Linda Cardellini, tho

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I dont see the hate. They arebgreat live action movies for their time.

JFC yes...

https://i.imgur.com/a6klWSX.gif

Have you seen Alona Tal, on Seal Team? Could be a little sister

https://66.media.tumblr.com/6a29fc85...qqaco1_500.png

Complete mockery of Scooby Doo, in my opinion.

She’s the reason why I don’t care that my kids watch those garbage movies.

I thought it wasn't bad. Then again, I'd watch it just for this a few more times.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PiercingAc...iped-small.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/sEfGauOuBJG6Y/giphy.gif

Uhhh Robbie was the best thing in the that film.:harumph:

Gunn’s script will be used. Will direct Suicide Squad sequel. GOTG director still not named.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/01/marv...guardians.html

Just let him to GOTG3. It's so dumb he can't do his job. Who gives a shit what he said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadlin...202576444/amp/

"Redemption and second chances have long been superhero movie staples, and today it looks like life has imitated art. I’ve learned that Disney has reinstated James Gunn as the writer-director of Guardians of the Galaxy 3, and I’ve confirmed it with Marvel and Gunn’s camp."

Today was a good day.

You mean today was a day in which show runners thought a requisite amount of time had passed that the outrage was past in today’s Twitter culture that they thought they’d try to slide this one through under the radar.

Good. It was stupid to fire him in the first place.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

How dare they!!!

This.

Hey did you guys hear that Kareem Hunt only got 8 games? Quick....someone sign Gunn and see if anyone notices!

Must be gaping holes all over Disney after they finally pulled their heads out of their asses.

Maybe Clark will wake up sign Hunt.

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good.

Glad to hear it

Making jokes about ****ing children is so funny right! Who looks at those tweets "I like it when little boys touch me in my silly place" and thinks "haha that's so funny, top ****ing kek whew lad!" -only other pedophiles is the answer to that question.

Sounds like more of a statement than a joke TBH.

Be on the "right side of history" and faces zero consequences for your actions.

Good to know.

Leftists have no moral foundation outside the destruction of their enemies.

Glad to hear he’s back.

Apparently.

Jokes about sex or race are off limits but jokes about raping children (to a convicted pedo) are fine...

As long as you are on the correct side, anything will be forgiven.

Except wasn't it right wing extremist that got him fired in the first place?

I hate how people say "leftist" or "rights" and then proceed to have some negative connotation follow as if their side is inherently morally superior in some way

I think it was the anti-pedophilia coalition that wanted Gunn fired.

This is interesting, though. Disney lands atop the moral high ground to fire him, waits awhile, then decides the view isn't what they hoped it would be?

What message does this send to other provocateurs and NAMBLA members?

FAX

I'm personally of the contingent that enjoys dark humor and transgression.

But Disney/ABC, Gunn himself specifically, and a large contingent of Gunn supporters are the ones who were loudly asserting a consumer voice in the acceptability and viability of people's public expressions.

These are the exact same people who took away what Roseanne built over decades from all the experiences of her life IN SECONDS.

They built cancel culture, over MY objections, and the moment cancel culture comes for them they plead compassion.

I am by nature a live and let live, easygoing guy. But one thing I cannot stand and will not stand without complaint, is people who actively try to erase or counteract and shame my easygoing nature, then try to summon it back when they need it themselves.

He'll screw up again. It's just a matter of time.

As usual, you articulate my position better than I can.

I don't give a flying feces about anyone does on their personal time. What I ****ing hate is anyone jamming anything down my throat. Even if I share the same viewpoint.

I'll see GOTG3. I'll hopefully not let this fiasco affect my viewing. But I'll do what I can in my admittedly shamefully tiny circle of influence to point out the ****tardery that is the cancel culture.

I agree with everything you said. There is def. a cancerous mentality that has eroded all aisles of personal morality and then being bipolar on what is acceptable when the shoe properly fits.

Which to double down on agreeing there’s hardcore hypocrisy at large here but isn’t eradicateing roseanne from our eyeballs and lives a good thing? I’d argue yes.

Disney has had three directors of children's shows convicted of molesting children. This doesn't count any allegations out there.

It's always the most pious people that have the most dirt to hide...

No, it was right leaning people.

I know to many extremists just being right wing makes you an extremist but that doesn't make it true.

I don't agree with the whole "well that's what you did so now I can" philosophy in politics now. It's one thing to get fired for bad jokes.

It is a completely different matter to make children's entertainment and joke with a convicted pedophile about raping kids.

It does seem to appear that way ...

Strange how that works. Makes you wonder ... what comes first, the self-righteousness or the perversion? It's an odd thing.

Do perverts develop a mask of piety to hide their "real" self, or is it the other way around and sanctimonious people tire of the straight life eventually and go dark?

FAX

Yes.

I work with pedos. I've talked to them. They don't even pretend to care once they're locked up. They know what they want and what they have to do to get it.

If a guy wants booze where does he go? He goes where there's booze.
If he wants Money?
Drugs?
Kids?

It's all the same. I'm not saying all people that work with kids are bad only that pedos target jobs like teaching, coaching, religion, etc...