I thought they were targeting McDaniels?

I know he's a Reid lackey. My point is Pederson felt like he was installing Reid's offense. Even when Reid handed the offense to Pederson, it didn't seem like a sincere endorsement. With nagy, the offense feels different especially the emphasis on downfield passing. And Reid handing nagy the offense a few weeks ago seemed like Reid was sincerely handing him the keys. I never got excited for Pederson and didn't care when he left. I was high on nagy before the year and don't want to see him go

Yeah, that's a great job. Tom Brady is in your division and you have to try to compete against him with Ryan Tannehill.

You’re completely missing the point that Reid continues to develop assistant coaches into good coordinators and potential HC’s.

It’s not a stretch at all to think that we will be fine with Reid/Childress/Kafka. It’s not like I’m saying Kafka is going to be a future HC.

Then you're contradicting yourself.

Why would Nagy want to take the Bears coaching job when he's stuck in a division with Aaron Rodgers and the great Vikings team?

I wasn't talking about any specific job, but yeah, if I had a choice the Bears job wouldn't be #1 on my list. It would still be pretty hard to turn down HC money.

It's not a stretch at all that he see's great coaching talent.

It's also not a stretch to say someone unproven is unproven...

The big difference is, though, that the floor is high. Reid will run the offense until he feels very confident that Kafka or whomever is ready to call plays independently. Much as we may gripe about Reid's offensive playcalling, it's a really high floor. So the good news is our offense is going to be fine no matter who we hire.

Never fly. It is not fair to the coordinators and others that have an opportunity to advanvce their careers.
Also no team can refuse to let a coach interview for a position that is above his current position.

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Based on?...

No, Reid is more likely to go back to his old ways once a proven guy is out of the fold.

Hurts us, and hurts Naggy...

Kafka was a pretty damn good QB at Northwestern and has done a damn good job at QB coach /Mahomes mentor. He's more than qualified to be our next OC. Nagy leaving really isn't a big deal.

So we're ****ed...

Untrue.

Reid trusted Nagy with more responsibility than he'll likely the next guy. Our offense is better when Reid shares control, too much Andy isn't a good thing.

Because the offense seems to run better when Andy Reid gives up at least some control. Our offense looks its best when Reid develop the game plan and oversees the entire thing but someone else calls the play.

Who was calling the plays weeks 1-5?

His coordinators found success calling plays and attacking the game in a different manner than Reid.

Look at the number of carries Hunt had during the slump and look at the number the last 4-5 games with Nagy calling plays.

You asked why the love for the offensive coordinators and I gave it to you. You disagree.

This.

EXACTLY this...

You guys need to slow your roll on Mike Kafka. He's been a quality control coach for one year, he's not even the assistant QB coach.

I'd imagine if Nagy leaves Corey Matthaei becomes QB coach, Kafka maybe becomes asst. QB coach, and Childress becomes OC again.

And that's the part I don't want.

LMAO

You failed to answer the question

Yeah, the 9-0 start in 2013, the 44 points on the road in Indy, going 6-3 in 2014 before a rash of injuries, 11 straight including a playoff win in 2015 and a 12-4 record last year to go along with a 5-0 start this year.

Those are all "Bad Andy".

Kafka is just an example. The point is Reid can sometimes take these relatively obscure coaches and develop them into eventual HC quality candidates.

I'd be interested to see Andy Reid calling the plays with Mahomes at QB.

You didn't answer the question.

If the offense was humming under Reid's play calling early, and Hunt was getting carries, and Smith throwing bombs, then that would suggest that the losing streak/offensive lapse wasn't necessarily tied to Reid's playcalling.

People assume Reid gave up play calling duties because he's a bad play caller. That's not necessarily true.

Truth is, the latest winning streak mirrors the early winning streak, regardless of who was calling the plays.

Why is that?

I'm not crazy about it. Again, I like nagy and don't want him to leave. But Reid is still one of the better offensive minds in the NFL even if his playcalling frustrates me at times. It's not a bad fallback. I agree with everyone else that it would suck if Childress is anointed as a replacement.

That's true, but right now we don't have a guy that's ready. It'll be Childress, or possibly someone from outside the organization. But probably Childress.

You asked why people like the coordinators, i told you.

Now you want to argue the merits of what people are feeling.

Two different things.

If you want to argue with everyone that feels that way then start a poll and have at it. Don't try to make me the spokesmen for everyone else.

I think it's clear he's (Reid) is not.

He's ok now with just leading the team. He's a great HC and excellent motivator.

We should distance ourselves from him as quickly as possible.

Because Andy got cute too often? Went away from what was working, which is something he has done in the past.

Andy can come out and call some great games, and then completely f up the next week. Look at the playcalling and time management in the second half of the Colts playoff loss. Look at the lack of urgency in the 4th quarter against the Pats in the playoffs. Despite his overall abilities Andy has, and still can, colossally screw things up. Ask any Eagles fan.

THIS

Hell, Andys pass first tendencies will probably become a charm instead of a point of contention

He'd still have Kelce passing to Cam Erving on 3rd and 1.

Dorsey will have them competing for the AFCN by 2020.

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Actually, I remember them being touted as "possible playoff contenders" after going like 11-5?

It was when they announced that the franchise was moving to Baltimore that the bottom fell out...

What.

The.

****.

ROFL

Yup. Because he's an "offensive genius".

I hate this shit too. In all sports college hoops goes through this during the final 4. And college fb teams during the bowls and ****s them up sometimes.

Hope he got a Zenos right after landing in Chicago and takes one of these positions today to say FU to Andy taking over the play calling last night.

****.

Do we know for sure Reid took over playcalling?

It sure as hell looked like it, but I doubt we ever know for sure

0 points in the second half at home in a playoff game loss

If Reid wasn’t calling the plays that netted 0 points in the second half then why care if Nagy leaves?

I guess I missed something

Sure as **** did to me too.

I've learned over my lifetime that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a ****ing duck.

****!

No ****ing way Nagy was calling the plays the second half. No ****ing way. Resembled too much like Reid.

My guess? Take away the play calling after it was announced that Nagy was doing interviews prior to years end. Not dedicated to the team, don't coach the team.

Reid has security issues. He needs to go cuz he'll never change.

I think Reid called the whole game.

It will always be Reid's show. He has the keys. I'm sure Nagy is thirsty to leave.

Bet he wishes he could take Pat with him though. I still believe Trubisky will be a bust.

I like Trubisky and think he'll be a good QB in the league, but he'll never live up to a GM outbidding himself in a draft day trade. It's more likely that coaches want to be the guy in control and not be given some pretend playcalling role unless Nagy is content with being Reid's ****boi.

How about we just trade Andy to Chicago for their first rounder?



*just kidding, but only sorta

Chicago will regret not taking Mahones

For his sake I hope he gets the job.

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Wow according to this the playoff game was a huge setback for Nagy amongst league circles.

If this is the thought process, then one wonders why Reid and the entire coaching staff is not fired. Sounds like a lot of executives around the league would go the termination route in this situation.

On the bright side...if Nagy is stuck in KC for awhile, maybe he can continue helping Mahomes develop. The two of them seem to get along great with each other.

And we really don't know if Reid took over or not in the 2nd half. And IF he did then if I am Reid and I don't want my underling to get screwed on job interviews with this false impression then I quietly call all of Nagy's interviewers and give them the scoop PERIOD.

I'm not sure if I'm happy to see that or not. If Nagy was calling that 2nd half...then he needs to go too. I just feel like we need to clean house.

Exactly! Twice in 5 years. Maybe Reid is not as revered as the media and fans want to believe. But we don't have a GM overseeing Reid!

How could it not be? How, as an NFL front office, could you spin to your fans hiring the guy that was the coordinator of the offense who embarrassed themselves in the opening game of the playoffs? It won't mean shit what Reid says privately.

Especially when the Bears offense has been so shitty for many years.

But let us also remember that Pederson made it as a HC while coordinating a less productive offense, so maybe it is a good ol' boys network.

Did he? They scored 30 on the Texans and moved the ball with ease on New England

Peter King...

http://amp.si.com/nfl/2018/01/08/nfl...mqb-peter-king

Where the **** is Bob Sutton on that list?