They were trying to trade up last year for Lynch. I like these QBs better

Kizer is the best QB in this class. He's going to be good if he goes to the right team

Yet another reason to hate Matt Cassel. He has put many of us in a state where we are willing to settle for a guy like Alex Smith. Blech.

...yet no team seems to want him. **** your stats. That chode couldn't lead the 94 Niners to a title.

How can you say that no team seems to want him? There's a country mile difference between no team wants him and no one wants to give up two firsts for him.

Kind of hard to want a guy who has been franchise tagged, no?

Dude isn't winning anyone a title. Let's find one who can. I'm tired of ither team's castoffs. Isn't this what the board has said for years?

Dude won't win shit in this league and teams know it. Grbac tossed for 500 in a game and he was a loser too.

Has to be a Ohio state fan

I'm not beating the drum for Cousins to come here. But he's a pretty damn good football player. To say no one wants him and he'll never win shit is just talking out your ass.

Shit I'd trade the entire Chiefs team and ALL my draft picks for 5 years to get a 22 year old Tom Brady. Who wouldn't? Just using free agency and off the street FA you'd still win 5-6 SB's.

No it really isn't

Mahomes is coming on Jim Rome in the next hour.

Hopefully someone can listen and post what was said.

I'm at work listening now. I'll probably catch it.

:popcorn:

Rome: One of the most talked about teams that are rumored to try to draft you is the Kansas city Chiefs. What are your thoughts on going there?

Mahomes: **** them.

I turned it on at work. I'll see if I can catch it.

He's up now.

:rolleyes:

I think it's much more likely that Peterman or Davis is on Dorsey's radar. Roll with Smith as #1, Bray as #2 and the rookie at #3. Bray and the heir apparent can fight it out for the #1 next year and draft another QB. That is unless Kizer just happens to fall to 27 and then all bets are off.
If Smith goes down this year and Bray and/or the rookie stink, just think how much higher we'll be in the 2018 draft. I'm a glass 1/2 full kind of guy.

Wants teams to think about how much he's improved over a short amount of time.

He loves having the pressure of having to make the big plays and win games.

Learned from the Manning camp to self scout himself and critique himself.

Pest pretty much summed it all up. Sounds like a great kid.

Well that was pretty uneventful. It's over.

I'd rather have Aaron Murray than any of the shit ass pet ****er late rounders this year.

That's what I didn't get. We drafted Murray and Hogan then said, "Not even gonna try developing them." Yet we'll take a jackass with zero potential to be good in Peterman?

Watson/Mahommes-rd 1
Dobbs/Peterman-later options

I like Kaaya but I think Andy wants a mobile QB

Brad Kaaya is a trainwreck unless he has 100% perfect conditions (great protection, WR's running perfect routes, etc).

He showed zero ability to overcome the slightest hint of in-game adversity in college.

Oh I'm with you...I'd love for it to happen. I probably just jaded.

Yeah... Thats just dumb.
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How have we settled and what was your alternative in 2013?
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Carson Palmer + draft a guy. I wanted Geno, but if they ****ing TRIED, I would have been more than patient.

If that plan blew up, try again in a different year.

The problem with Chiefs fans is that whenever a QB crisis occurs when they can absolutely no longer roll with the current veteran because he's washed up/suck too much, they act like they have to solve the problem NOW. INSTANTLY.

They don't think about QB development as a multi-year process. It's like Carl stepped down from GMing, but instead went into the business of mind control lasers, and he's got everybody thinking his way is the best.

Thus, you get all the, "Gee, I'd love to draft a QB, but there's no Andrew Luck available at 27th overall! Next year is a better class, maybe we'll get one then!" And it's also how you get, "I don't like what Alex Smith is doing, but what should the Chiefs have done, exactly?"

Uhh... how about plan ahead? But since they didn't do that, they should just be ****ing patient.

hence why i think the chiefs will draft, if given the chance, a qb this year rather than next year in the first or second. not that they wont draft one again next year, just not as high up. again, im not privy to college games, so i don't know what is the best option realistically. just going off the fact alex will be the starter next year and possibly 18. the problem you run into is he incrementally gets better and they extend alex before 18 is up. :D

Someone like Matt Hasselbeck then move on to someone like Derek Carr after a couple of years.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ball velocity numbers (MPH) from the Combine:<br><br>60 - Mahomes<br>59 - Webb<br>56 - Kizer<br>55 - Trubisky, Evans<br>53 - Peterman, Kaaya<br>49 - Watson</p>&mdash; Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/840334987958329346">March 10, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That 60 MPH is impressive for Mahomes. 49 MPH on the other hand for Watson, not good.

That's a harder ball than Bray's 59MPH

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@dpbrugler Since 2008, only guy under 55 with any type of success is Tyrod. (Dak threw 54 but had a bum shoulder)

That 49 MPH might kill Watson's stock. Seriously. I always thought his deep ball looked like a floater. Similar to Mariota.

Mahomes or bust IMO.

I'd still be ok with Kizer as a consolation prize.

I would take one of the other guys, but I wouldn't trade up for anyone but Mahomes at this point.

I'd love to know if Watson was just coasting too much or what, because 49 MPH is awful.

This... His ball looks ugly and wobbly when he throws it.

Why you checking out his balls?

Because our QB is Alex Smith.

From Matt Miller with Bleacher Report:

:facepalm:

Prime trade-back spot? We have 10 f**king picks and 70 guys on the roster. Whatever.

Someone who is able to do more than just 1.) Throw check downs, 2.) Complete only one-read passes, 3.) Not throw INT's 4.) Be in possession of hidden gigabytes and 5.) Not put the fans to sleep.

Agree with Hasselbeck/Palmer.

Who knows how some of these other guys (rookies over the past 4 years included) could have done in a different situation...Chiefs have had a nice supporting cast...Smith has benefited from that. Who knows how these guys could have done in Reid's system.

Ugh, I hope his source is Walter Football.

Don't believe anything that is leaked to the media by anonymous sources around this time of the year.

As mentioned in the draft forum. Believe the first sentence of the article:

"It's lying season in the NFL."

No joke, I could see KC trading 4 picks to get Mahomes considering the amount they have if they really do think he has the goods

Yeah it's all just rumors at this point....

Personally, if I'm making bets, I think they'd like Reddick or Mahomes in the 1st.

Do you even watch football? Redskins had a lot of weapons on offense many of them proven vets. Why do you think Washington is being cautious with signing him long term? They know he's got a high chance of regressing to his average play when he loses the luxury of having weapons all over the field

I was, all over palmer that year too .

Can you please post his "average play"?

Facts not Fiction remember? Post the facts of his " average play"

And they would be foolish not to give up whatever it takes if the believ he is the man.

No way to know what to believe, but my hopes are up. Not going to reject it, if I end up pissed, I'll end up pissed. I want the gunslinger.

Aw....Hell.

Guess I'll hold off on that Mahomes Chiefs jersey I was about to order.

Never mind you're gonna go crickets as usual.

His "average play" since starting is around 4500 yards and 27 tds a year just off the top of my head.

What else you got troll? Hypothetical made up shit? Guesses?


Give me some ****ing facts.

What were you trying to say about cousins?

Bullshit. Very big possibility it will happen again and every year we pick this low as long as Doreey is the GM. He should move up for a stud but his history doesn't suggest he would.

Mahomes has a cannon. I like him.

If no one they really have above everyone else is therr at 27 and someone wants to trade up, giving up a 3rd or something, maybe.

So we can cut them?

Interesting fact about Haason Reddick: Britt Reid coached him 2 years ago at Temple and Reddick said he was the first one who believed in him.

I imagine he's high on our board.

Not trying to start shit, but has anyone seen any evidence whatsoever that the Chiefs think they need a new starting QB?

Anything real, not just fan hope.

More specifically, has anyone seen even the slightest indication that Andy Reid isn't satisfied with Alex Smith?

They don't currently have a backuo, unless bray is it. Contractually it's looking like they'll need Smith's space in 2018, but yes the starter in 17.

There's a reason guys like Russell Wilson get long term contracts and others play on tags. Use your head, genius. Nothing in my previous comment is trolling.

No there isn't. The entire media speculated it because its obvious Smithbwill never get us over the hump even with very good talent around him. He's also on his last year of his contract and is not getting any younger. We need a QB badly to replace him but nobody in the media like any of them as a long term answer including Dorsey.

I would be stunned if he took one early. I would love Macohmes but it's a pipe dream.

For comparison: Russell Wilson is in the top tier of QB's for doing this despite playing behind a terrible line and average receivers: http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats...russell-wilson

Meanwhile Cousins has weapons all over the field yet he's 50% more likely to throw a pick than RW is per throw. THAT is why Washington is hesitant to sign Cousins long term. And this is not even mentioning how he has fumbled the ball 10 times since becoming a full time starter.


Facts, not fiction.

Alex Smith has fumbled the ball 23 times in 4 years.

He's averaged below 4 fumbles per season in KC and that's considering he's a dual threat QB. And not all of those were lost fumbles. Fact.

I know it's a q (thanks pugs)

But damn...my top two fav QBs In This draft killing it!

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Webb's velocity was a surprise to me, impressive.

The dude is big.

He lost his spot to Mahomes after dropping 20lbs from an illness that sidelined him.

He is my darkhorse.


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Just remember....I was on the bandwebbon first, biotch!!! ;)

No one in their right mind is getting "worked up" over KC drafting a QB. We have all come to expect sub-par reerunery when it comes to the Chiefs and QB's.

Why would the Raiders trade Palmer to a division rival?
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If they were serious about drafting a QBOTF, they'd trade up for Watson.

Only if they like him a ton and it would take more picks than we have to get far enough up. In 4 drafts he has not once traded up in the first two rounds for anyone that I recall. Even if we move back it feels like 2 defensive players will be the first two picks. When you are in cap hell and can't sign any vets to fill needs all you can do is draft or trade. He never trades so we will pick.

Photo ops with Clark dictate otherwise

Fair enough, but we've always brought in a veteran QB to fill the backup spot instead of training a rookie.

Daniel and Foles

Have we ever even had a young QB on the active roster during the regular season?

Which is why I was pretty surprised when I got beaten down around here for suggesting that the Chiefs should trade Foles during Preseason when teams lost their starters and where desperate to trade.

"we can't trade Foles, we might need him"
"we can't trade Foles, it might hurt his feelings after wanting to play for Reid"
"we can't trade foles .............

Vikings gave a 1st and 4th(conditional 3rd) for Bradford when he was considered a total mess and injury disaster.

How much would an extra 1st rounder be worth to use right now? Hell, even an extra 2nd would be trade-up gold.

Chiefs could have 'planned ahead' be in great shape to trade anywhere they wanted in this draft.

"Always" it's been 4 years.

And Murray was on the active roster for most of his years here.
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