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RunKC 01-11-2017 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12675923)
Neither must you.

****ing Mellinger thought this was an 8-8/9-7 team. Paylor thought they were 10-6 at best. It took a long time and proven winning for the Star writers to come around to this team and they're still not praising them.

They don't deserve praise until they do something signficant in the playoffs. Beating the Steelers this weekend should change everything.

booger 01-11-2017 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12675910)
You must not read or listen to anything KC related in KC...

They've been kissing bronco ass since Shefter and Shanahan Sr. then the weasel cock sucking reporters get national jobs and keep on kissing donkey ass. We get Teicher. Dumb comparison

JakeLV 01-11-2017 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12675815)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash">#Broncos</a> hiring of Joseph reminds me of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Packers?src=hash">#Packers</a> going with McCarthy and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Steelers?src=hash">#Steelers</a> going with Tomlin. Elway clearly saw Vance as best fit</p>&mdash; Troy Renck (@TroyRenck) <a href="https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/819296897248673797">January 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:)

So, the hire reminds him of when McCarthy was hired after coaching the 32nd ranked offense?

Yeah, that uh... Yeah I agree actually.

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 04:35 PM

http://www.si.com/nfl/2017/01/11/den...low_twitter_si

There’s no question that this is a bit of a gamble, though. Joseph has just one season of experience as a coordinator, and he’s stepping into a highly demanding spot leading a team one year removed from being Super Bowl champions. John Fox was pushed out of Denver despite going 46-18 with four playoff appearances and one AFC title. The expectations are that this is a win-now team.

How realistic it is that Joseph actually produces the desired results, again, will come down in large part to how the offense is repaired—coaching-wise and in terms of personnel. Should that side of the ball remains a headache, all the more pressure will land on Joseph to match on the defensive side of the ball what Phillips accomplished during his brief, brilliant tenure as the Broncos’ coordinator.

There seemed to be little doubt around the league that Joseph was ready to be a head coach. This won’t be an easy spot for a first-timer to step in. If it backfires, the Broncos may rue their decision to pass on Shanahan.

booger 01-11-2017 04:37 PM

Mike Tomlin... more like Herm Edwards

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeLV (Post 12675957)
So, the hire reminds him of when McCarthy was hired after coaching the 32nd ranked offense?

Yeah, that uh... Yeah I agree actually.


The difference is that Mike McCarthy spent six years as an offensive coordinator, first in New Orleans and then, in SF, before being hired to lead the Packers.

Joseph has exactly one year as a coordinator and not a very pretty one at that.

JakeLV 01-11-2017 04:38 PM

I'm just happy that Wade is out in Denver (even if I wish him the best in whatever he does next).

Wade made that defense nasty man. He's gonna be a big loss.

BlackHelicopters 01-11-2017 04:39 PM

Never heard of him.

Mile High Mania 01-11-2017 04:42 PM

I don't have an issue with the hire. They will be the coaches he surrounds himself with, and it appears McCoy may return as OC. I wanted them to take a young guy and they did.

carcosa 01-11-2017 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 12675970)
I don't have an issue with the hire. They will be the coaches he surrounds himself with, and it appears McCoy may return as OC. I wanted them to take a young guy and they did.

they shoulda hired a baby

Marcellus 01-11-2017 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12675848)
Elway has hired two coaches. Both of them took Denver to the Super Bowl. I think Elway knows what he's doing.

Since you put it that way, odds are basically 0 that he goes 3 for 3.

stevieray 01-11-2017 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12675936)
They don't deserve praise until they do something signficant in the playoffs.

like securing a home game and the number 2 seed?

RunKC 01-11-2017 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 12675984)
like securing a home game and the number 2 seed?

Means absolutely nothing if they lose this weekend

RunKC 01-11-2017 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12675923)
Neither must you.

****ing Mellinger thought this was an 8-8/9-7 team. Paylor thought they were 10-6 at best. It took a long time and proven winning for the Star writers to come around to this team and they're still not praising them.

Terez picked them to go to the AFCCG

stevieray 01-11-2017 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12675986)
Means absolutely nothing if they lose this weekend

Incorrect.

Have some faith, dude.

RealSNR 01-11-2017 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12675815)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash">#Broncos</a> hiring of Joseph reminds me of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Packers?src=hash">#Packers</a> going with McCarthy and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Steelers?src=hash">#Steelers</a> going with Tomlin. Elway clearly saw Vance as best fit</p>&mdash; Troy Renck (@TroyRenck) <a href="https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/819296897248673797">January 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:)

In an alternate reality where the Broncos hired Toub, this tweet compares Dave Toub with Bill Belichick.

Elway's never hired a first-time head coach before. He has no ****ing clue what he's getting into.

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12675989)
Terez picked them to go to the AFCCG

When? Not in his preseason primer.

He picked them 10-6 this season.

Mr. Laz 01-11-2017 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 12675667)
Technically Kubiak's failing body fired him

Not the real point but whatever makes you feel smart

carcosa 01-11-2017 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12676012)
Not the real point but whatever makes you feel smart

huh

CrossCheck 01-11-2017 05:13 PM

Listened to two different shows on Sirius NFL, the first two hosts questioned the pick, the second two said it was surprising, neither said great hire.

Hog's Gone Fishin 01-11-2017 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 12675553)
Wait. Vance Joseph is black?


ROFL BwaaHaaa!!!!

Aquib Talib be happy !

dannybcaitlyn 01-11-2017 05:45 PM

Wade>Sutton. Go after Wade!

Hog's Gone Fishin 01-11-2017 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 12675848)
Elway has hired two coaches. Both of them took Denver to the Super Bowl. I think Elway knows what he's doing.

Peyton Manning retired.

Easy 6 01-11-2017 05:56 PM

"man this is like a wet fart of news today... worst news possible moving forward!

Josh McDaniels 2.0" - rmsanger, orangemanger

LMAO

TribalElder 01-11-2017 06:12 PM

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=125748

ROFL

Garcia Bronco 01-11-2017 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn (Post 12676096)
Wade>Sutton. Go after Wade!

Wade might land in Oakland and Sutton is pretty ****ing good. Thats Peytons assessment. Not mine.

notorious 01-11-2017 06:18 PM

Holy shit, they are letting Wade go?


Their Herm Edwards years are upon them.....

Hog's Gone Fishin 01-11-2017 06:20 PM

I knew that after Manning was done the Broncos would just unravel.

still hoping Talib shoots himself in the face.

RunKC 01-11-2017 06:25 PM

Broncos will be lucky to finish 3rd in the division next year

TEX 01-11-2017 06:27 PM

This is AWESOME news!

Garcia Bronco 01-11-2017 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12676153)
Holy shit, they are letting Wade go?


Their Herm Edwards years are upon them.....

Don't be framing us in the KC box. The Broncos are not the Chiefs and the Chiefs are not the Broncos.

By the way I've got you guys is my Super Bowl favorite. You guys are going to do it this year. I want to be the first person to extend to you my congratulations.

TEX 01-11-2017 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 12676179)
Don't be framing us in the KC box. The Broncos are not the Chiefs and the Chiefs are not the Broncos.

By the way I've got you guys is my Super Bowl favorite. You guys are going to do it this year. I want to be the first person to extend to you my congratulations.

Move along Bronco Boy with your reverse mojo. Im sure your new Herm clone head coach has something to say....LMAO

Hog's Gone Fishin 01-11-2017 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12676172)
Broncos will be lucky to finish Last in the division next year

Fixed !

milkman 01-11-2017 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12675960)
The difference is that Mike McCarthy spent six years as an offensive coordinator, first in New Orleans and then, in SF, before being hired to lead the Packers.

Joseph has exactly one year as a coordinator and not a very pretty one at that.

I don't know that much about Joseph.

I do know that Andy Reid never served as a coordinator before landing a job as the coach of the Eagles.

He spent one season as the QB coach in Green Bay.

Easy 6 01-11-2017 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12676153)
Holy shit, they are letting Wade go?


Their Herm Edwards years are upon them.....

WOW :clap:

Red Dawg 01-11-2017 06:51 PM

Boring hire that will have boring non threatening staff.

RealSNR 01-11-2017 07:13 PM

Where are you guys hearing that Wade Phillips is going to leave Denver? Google's giving me nothing other than apparently the 30-year old asshole who's being interviewed for the Rams job wants to bring in Wade.

Mr. Laz 01-11-2017 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12676270)
Where are you guys hearing that Wade Phillips is going to leave Denver? Google's giving me nothing other than apparently the 30-year old asshole who's being interviewed for the Rams job wants to bring in Wade.

Why bring in a defensive HC if he isn't going to run the defense? Wade is a veteran DC who isn't going to want to be a clipboard holder.

Why would Wade want to stay?

vailpass 01-11-2017 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12675958)
http://www.si.com/nfl/2017/01/11/den...low_twitter_si

There’s no question that this is a bit of a gamble, though. Joseph has just one season of experience as a coordinator, and he’s stepping into a highly demanding spot leading a team one year removed from being Super Bowl champions. John Fox was pushed out of Denver despite going 46-18 with four playoff appearances and one AFC title. The expectations are that this is a win-now team.

How realistic it is that Joseph actually produces the desired results, again, will come down in large part to how the offense is repaired—coaching-wise and in terms of personnel. Should that side of the ball remains a headache, all the more pressure will land on Joseph to match on the defensive side of the ball what Phillips accomplished during his brief, brilliant tenure as the Broncos’ coordinator.

There seemed to be little doubt around the league that Joseph was ready to be a head coach. This won’t be an easy spot for a first-timer to step in. If it backfires, the Broncos may rue their decision to pass on Shanahan.

Nailed it.

RealSNR 01-11-2017 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12676284)
Why bring in a defensive HC if he isn't going to run the defense? Wade is a veteran DC who isn't going to want to be a clipboard holder.

Why would Wade want to stay?

Defensive-minded head coaches bring aboard high-profile DCs all the time.

Kiimo 01-11-2017 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12676270)
Where are you guys hearing that Wade Phillips is going to leave Denver? Google's giving me nothing other than apparently the 30-year old asshole who's being interviewed for the Rams job wants to bring in Wade.

They all seem to think he's gone on that Broncos site.


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthr...=125606&page=9

Chiefs4TheWin 01-11-2017 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12676291)
Defensive-minded head coaches bring aboard high-profile DCs all the time.

Examples? Rex Ryan Rob Ryan?

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12676215)
I don't know that much about Joseph.

I do know that Andy Reid never served as a coordinator before landing a job as the coach of the Eagles.

He spent one season as the QB coach in Green Bay.

He was a defensive backs coach from 1999-2015 at the college and NFL level.

He was a D.C. for one year, in Miami, and that defense wasn't impressive.

Reid worked all over the country in various capacities before being hired in Philly.

I don't see the similarity.

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12676270)
Where are you guys hearing that Wade Phillips is going to leave Denver? Google's giving me nothing other than apparently the 30-year old asshole who's being interviewed for the Rams job wants to bring in Wade.

NFL reporters on Twitter are saying Joe Woods will be the DC

Chief Roundup 01-11-2017 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 12676324)
They all seem to think he's gone on that Broncos site.


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthr...=125606&page=9

They also have tweets that are saying Joseph has asked him to stay and that there is a 3 year deal in play.

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12676405)
They also have tweets that are saying Joseph has asked him to stay and that there is a 3 year deal in play.

Joseph was the secondary coach under Phillips.

That doesn't sound like a desirable move for the Son of Bum.

Chief Roundup 01-11-2017 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12676411)
Joseph was the secondary coach under Phillips.

That doesn't sound like a desirable move for the Son of Bum.

I can understand where you are coming from but Wade is not HC material and will never be anything more than a DC again in the NFL. So why not work with someone that you know and respect and that has respect for you and what you are capable of doing. To leave a team because he doesn't want to work under someone that has worked for him seems like he would be cutting his nose off to spite his own face. It should be easier to have success where he is rather than start over yet again. It probably really comes down to the almighty $$$$.

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12676419)
I can understand where you are coming from but Wade is not HC material and will never be anything more than a DC again in the NFL. So why not work with someone that you know respect and that has respect for you and what you are capable of doing. To leave a team because he doesn't want to work under someone that has worked for him seems like he would be cutting his nose off to spite his own face. It should be easier to have success where he is rather than start over yet again. It probably really comes down to the almighty $$$$.

How do you know he "respects" Vance Joseph?

NWTF 01-11-2017 08:45 PM

lol at this hire.

Chief Roundup 01-11-2017 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12676420)
How do you know he "respects" Vance Joseph?

I don't 100% know that nor would anyone else except for those few in that inner circle but because he kept him on his staff. You don't retain someone that you don't respect and believe in, after all there are too many coaches qualified and looking for position coaching positions.

milkman 01-11-2017 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12676391)
He was a defensive backs coach from 1999-2015 at the college and NFL level.

He was a D.C. for one year, in Miami, and that defense wasn't impressive.

Reid worked all over the country in various capacities before being hired in Philly.

I don't see the similarity.

Reid was an OL coach at the college level for 7 years before working as an OL coach and offensive asst in Green Bay, followed by 1 season as the QB coach.

No "various capacities" there.

Their resume's prior to getting a HC job are not all that different.

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12676430)
Reid was an OL coach at the college level for 7 years before working as an OL coach and offensive asst in Green Bay, followed by 1 season as the QB coach.

No "various capacities" there.

Their resume's prior to getting a HC job are not all that different.

You're right. Everything is parallel.

Vance Joseph will coach the Broncos to 4 consecutive AFC Championship games.

Joe Montana was chosen in the 3rd round. Nick Foles was taken in the 3rd round.

4 Super Bowls ahead.

Discuss Thrower 01-11-2017 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 12675935)
The Chargers interviewed him, but I've heard nothing that even remotely suggests that he's going to get the job. Telesco and the Spanii don't seem to want another offensive-minded guy, since Lynn's the only one of those they've interviewed.

Nobody's even being mentioned as a frontrunner for our job yet, while other teams have already made their hires. We could have hired Lynn, Mike Smith or Teryl Austin already if they were the top choice. I think that means the Chargers are waiting on a candidate who's still coaching right now, which would be either Patricia or Toub.

I'd rather the 49ers get ruined by the Patriot Way rather than you guys...

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12676429)
I don't 100% know that nor would anyone else except for those few in that inner circle but because he kept him on his staff. You don't retain someone that you don't respect and believe in, after all there are too many coaches qualified and looking for position coaching positions.

Just stop

Chief Roundup 01-11-2017 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12676432)
You're right. Everything is parallel.

Vance Joseph will coach the Broncos to 4 consecutive AFC Championship games.

Joe Montana was chosen in the 3rd round. Nick Foles was taken in the 3rd round.

4 Super Bowls ahead.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12676440)
Just stop

You might want to take your own advice. :rolleyes:

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12676442)
You might want to take your own advice. :rolleyes:

You're no smarter in 2017 than 2016.

Kudos.

milkman 01-11-2017 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12676432)
You're right. Everything is parallel.

Vance Joseph will coach the Broncos to 4 consecutive AFC Championship games.

:rolleyes:

Try to be civil for a change.

I am simply pointing out the fact that his resume doesn't dismiss him as a guy who is destined to fail.

Andy Reid's resume stands as proof of that.

He way well prove to be an abject failure, but I am not going to write him off simply because he didn't spend years proving himself as a coordinator.

Hell, proven coordinators fail almost yearly.

Chief Roundup 01-11-2017 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12676452)
You're no smarter in 2017 than 2016.

Kudos.

And you are still a giant prick. Cheers

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12676453)
Try to be civil for a change.

I wasn't civil?

Wha?

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12676458)
And you are still a giant prick. Cheers

Yes and this thanks.

milkman 01-11-2017 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12676459)
I wasn't civil?

Wha?

Preemptive request.

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12676467)
Preemptive request.

LMAO

Happy New Year, ya old ****

:D

milkman 01-11-2017 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12676489)
LMAO

Happy New Year, ya old ****

:D

Just so ya know, I am probably no more that 8-10 years older than you are, ya old ****.

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12676497)
Just so ya know, I am probably no more that 8-10 years older than you are, ya old ****.

Probably less, ya bastard.

Point still stands. Happy New Year.

milkman 01-11-2017 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12676500)
Probably less, ya bastard.

Point still stands. Happy New Year.

Just finished a couple of drinks, so I'm happy.
Same to you.

stevieray 01-11-2017 09:23 PM

Good luck to him....

I'd rather our Division be tough than be like the Pats and Squealers weak ass Divisions.

SAUTO 01-11-2017 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12676509)
Just finished a couple of drinks, so I'm happy.
Same to you.

I never imagined you drinking.

Just seems weird. Whats your choice?

lewdog 01-11-2017 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12676509)
Just finished a couple of drinks, so I'm happy.
Same to you.

Late night milk.

Nice!!!

Chocolate or standard white version (#notracist)?

stevieray 01-11-2017 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12676497)
Just so ya know, I am probably no more that 8-10 years older than you are, ya old ****.

Ya, I've always thought that you weren't as old as you insinuated.


You're still :old: , though....

:D

SAUTO 01-11-2017 09:26 PM

I guess 55.

stevieray 01-11-2017 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 12676515)
Late night warm milk and jammies.

Nice!!!

Chocolate or standard white version (#notracist)?

FYP

milkman 01-11-2017 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12676513)
I never imagined you drinking.

Just seems weird. Whats your choice?

Brandy and coke.

And I've never insinuated that I was this old guy.

I just have vivid memories of the Chiefs and pro football in general because it kept me from thinking about the father that I lost at such a young age.

milkman 01-11-2017 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 12676515)
Late night milk.

Nice!!!

Chocolate or standard white version (#notracist)?

Chocolate, all day, every day.

SAUTO 01-11-2017 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12676525)
Brandy and coke.

And I've never insinuated that I was this old guy.

I just have vivid memories of the Chiefs and pro football in general because it kept me from thinking about the father that I lost at such a young age.

It's your avatar.

DaneMcCloud 01-11-2017 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12676525)
I just have vivid memories of the Chiefs and pro football in general because it kept me from thinking about the father that I lost at such a young age.

I didn't know. My sincerest apologies.

I grew up without ever knowing or having a grandfather.

I can't even imagine not having a father.

Sorry, man.

stevieray 01-11-2017 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12676525)
Brandy and coke.

And I've never insinuated that I was this old guy.

I'm over here, J.

NWTF 01-11-2017 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 12676324)
They all seem to think he's gone on that Broncos site.


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthr...=125606&page=9

Less then a week ago before his interview with Elway Joseph said he wouldnt retain Wade Phillips if he was given Denver job. He may have changed his mind during the interview but Im guessing thats why Bronco fans think hes gone.

Getting rid of Wade is fine if you ask me, But you better know what your doing.

milkman 01-11-2017 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12676533)
I didn't know. My sincerest apologies.

I grew up without ever knowing or having a grandfather.

I can't even imagine not having a father.

Sorry, man.

I rarely talk about it, but I have mentioned once before that I lost my father to a drunk driver in '63, and my brother to another in '97.

milkman 01-11-2017 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 12676534)
I'm over here, J.

Huh?

SAUTO 01-11-2017 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12676541)
I rarely talk about it, but I have mentioned once before that I lost my father to a drunk driver in '63, and my brother to another in '97.

Jesus, that's terrible.


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