Mmmmm, Monday Morning Yuckmouth

Mel Kiper thinks he's this draft classes Josh Norman as a guy drafted in the 4th-5th round and becomes a big time player.

Long arms
Lots of pass breakups
Good quickness
Fluid hips out of backpedal.

You're right when you say he's the type of corner Dorsey seems to look for.

With the depth of this corner class (best CB draft in 10 years IMO) this kid will be a steal in the mid rounds.

Other corners I have my eyes on (if WJ3, Apple, Hargrove, etc are gone before we pick at 28) are Xavien Howard from Baylor, Mackenzie Alexander and Kalan Reed.

They (sans Alexander) have long arms and good ball skills.

It's a shame the kid from UNI ran such a slow 40 time...

He was one of the WR's we brought in for a visit, or at least visited with, according to the tracker thread. Possession receiver who is a very good run and screen blocker.

I could see it.

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/La...#player-report

I know I'll probably get blasted for this, but even if we stay at 28 and Treadwell is there, I'd pass.

He's NOT fast enough to be a game breaker at the NFL level. He is more of a "fight for the ball" receiver than a "get open constantly and get a lot of YAC" type of guy.

I'm trying my best not to compare him to Bowe...but...

Justin Simmons

He'll be a good yac guy and good wr in the short gsme, from what I've read and the few Ole miss games I watched. Before the gruesome injury, dude was tits.

If Treadwell's there at #28, there's a reason. And if all of Dorsey's guys are off the board, I think he'll take a trade back, which sucks.

This is just another example of why I think it's possible that Dorsey will need to trade up to get their guy.

You wouldn't take treadwell?

No, I wouldn't.

It generally takes a player at least a year to learn Reid's system, so Treadwell wouldn't likely be a factor in 2016.

I think his ceiling is Dwayne Bowe, a good possession receiver with decent ball skills. I don't think his ceiling is MegaTron and if he fell to #28, it's would be clear that the NFL doesn't think so, either.

I don't think this offense needs a Dwayne Bowe.

A projected 3rd rounder in the 1st?

I like Miles Killebrew way more than Simmons and I wouldn't take him before the 4th.

I don't think him falling to 28 determines his future, but I'm not keen on taking a wr early either.

I just don't see the need for a WR that runs a 4.65 in this offense.

Now, if Josh Doctson was there, it would be tough to pass on him, depending on which defensive players were on the board at the time.

I see Treadwell as more of a Brandon Marshall type WR. He was considered top 10-15 based on everything people had seen up until he ran a 4.6 40. He's an all around receiver, and how many times are we going to throw it vertical? Besides, Maclin and Conley can fill that role. Treadwell is a chain mover/red zone threat that gives Alex yet another option. I'd prefer a few other players, but I won't be upset if we take him.

I wonder if treadwell is back to 100 percent.

He always seemed to have good hands when I watched him live, where are the bad ball skills reports coming from dane?

He apparently had a few drops this year that are being attributed to focus, but I've watched plenty of video of the guy making all kinds of catches (in traffic, back shoulder, over the shoulder, etc.) to believe he'll be just fine in that area.

Yeah.

If the Chiefs feel the need to draft WR high, then Doctson would be my choice. He would arguably bring dependability to the #2 WR position this team has lacked for a long time (let alone a #1). Great hands, wins contested balls, and a sneaky good route runner who has developed a knack to create separation for a "bigger" receiver prospect. Another valuable red zone target and chain mover, Doctson could open things up even more for the Maclin/Kelce duo.

My ultimate sleeper, Michael Thomas from Southern miss. 6th round.

Devontae Booker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYb34m4nxr0
Not saying we should draft him considering needs this year. Not nearly the potential of Charles, but a reliable player with good blocking ability.

Also, he is familiar with read-option and a spread offense. Played in a tough conference too. Chip or Pederson might snag him.

Familiar with read-option and spread?

That's like 95% of all players. Advocate for whoever you want, but don't try to qualify/justify with stupid shit like this.....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...spect-rankings
Apparently the dude is climbing up Mayocks draft board. You must know more than him, right?

Interesting sleeper pick here: Josh Garnett. Think he fits us very well.

He is not climbing up draft boards because of his familiarity with zone-read and spread concepts.

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You need to reread my original post, Sherlock.

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If he is available to us we should swap our late first with San Fran's early 2nd , take a 4th from them to help recuperate our lost (late) third round pick

I like him or whitehair. Not thrilled with a guard, but late first isn't a bad place to take one.

Why do people keep mocking us a damn guard?

LDT showed he belonged and could be a top notch LG
Reid looked like he could be a solid RG
Fulton has shown ability to play any interior line spot
Pugsley showed a lot of promise

This draft has a lot of talent at spots we could use help at fairly immediately.

CB
DL (we won't have room to keep everybody we currently have on DL over the next 2 years)
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QB

They don't currently have a lg on the roster worth a shit.

Plus with the contracts guards are getting, to get a good one for 5 cheap years is enticing

I disagree.

LDT has the tools to be a superb LG.

If they take a OL, it needs to be in the 4th or later.

Disagree.

LDT should be the guy. All through college he played on the left side, primarily as a LT. We saw what happened to Fisher when he played on his natural side. there are bigger holes on the roster like #2 receiver, and upgrades at corner, sub-set safety, plus SILB. LDT and Reid's play will be improved by the presence of Schwartz.

They've already penciled LDT in at rg, per dorsey. So..

He also already gave Reid an extension worth 3m per.

And he's played 1 game at guard?

WR Keyarris Garrett

Like him alot

Yep. He definitely put up some big numbers and against superior teams. I think he's the 3rd day player who can make noise at the NFL level.

I certainly dont see any dire need for another guard

I see it this way.

If you dint think they need another guard, I don't see how you advocate for another corner. The corners on the roster are better than the guards on the roster.

I do, although I don't think it needs to be addressed in the first round.

Currently, there is no true left guard on the roster. Fulton's played left guard, right guard and center. LDT's played left guard in preseason but right guard during the season. Jah Reid has played right guard and right tackle but to my knowledge, he's not played left guard and certainly hasn't done so over the course of a season.

I wouldn't be shocked to see them take a left guard in the 2nd round, nor would I be shocked to see them take Evan Boehm in the 4th round.

If they can get a really good LG like whitehair or garnett at 28, I'll grit my teeth and be happy with it.

Fisher-whitehair-morse-ldt-Schwartz is a good young ol.

My thing is, this is the year for a deep playoff run so I'd like as many picks as possible to immediately contribute and its hard to see a rookie coming in and picking things up fast enough to displace any of the three mentioned

Morse and Fulton did it, so its possible, but at the same time the depth wasnt what it is now when they came aboard... but as with just about anything Dorsey does, if he thinks its whats best I will fully back it

I'm still kinda stuck on pass rush help, an OLB who maybe needs work against the run but can come in on passing downs immediately

I think if you want immediate contributions, lg or corner are your most likely picks early.

Maybe dl

Does anybody here REALLY think Dorsey will draft a guard in the 1st round?

He's one of the most BPA-or-bust GMs in the league. Yes, it's impossible to go TRUE BPA, since I don't think there's a GM out there would would ever say, "Well, we've already drafted three RBs in the previous rounds, but this next RB is #1 on our board, so uhh... let's do it!" But we've seen him take positions groups with gaping holes (WR and OL in 2014) and blatantly ignore them until the 6th round or by drafting a speed RB to ideally play gadget WR.

Is Whitehair or Garnett the 28th best player in the draft? When the Chiefs pick at 28, is Whitehair or Garnett going to be the top guy on their board? Or are there better players at different positions?

We're so deep that we could end up drafting anything in the 1st. I'm going to go ahead and say that there is a pretty ****ing slim chance of us going interior line in the 1st round. Hell, I don't even think it's likely that he'll consider it in the 2nd round.

He's going to draft with contracts and player age in mind if he takes need into account at all. That's what all three of his first round picks have in common. That leads me to believe that DL is a pretty good bet.

Guards are getting ridiculous money these days and are just as important against tackles.

For the chiefs offense se to be as good as we hope, I think a good lg is the most important piece to acquire.

I think that there is absolutely no doubt that a first or second round guard would be an immediately contributor and a upgrade over Fulton or Reid.

If I had to guess, I would say DL also. It's definitely wide open.

Not when your projected #2 corner is coming off a major injury, and has proven to be less than reliable when it comes to staying healthy over the course of his career. This is a make or break year for Gaines. Insurance at the position is needed, especially when there are still question marks at slot corner.

I'm not saying Corner is the pick at #28, but I'd be shocker if one is not selected from one of the three first picks the Chiefs hold.

Ok, so who's your projected starting lg right now and how is that any better than gaines?

I'd have no problem if Dorsey using that 4th on one, if he feels LDT isn't taking his opportunity seriously and that Fultons feet aren't fast enough to play on the left.

But without having a 3rd, we can't use either of those first 2 picks on the OL, IMO at least.

I could easily be wrong.

This draft is stupid deep with corners, DL and there are some very intriguing guys at LB and QB that might make sense, too.

If we're talking beat value, matching BPA at 28, I'd imagine whitehair or garnett is right there, yes.

Hard to argue against that, I'm just of the mind that our interior is plenty good enough to roll with, particularly considering just how big of an effect Schwartz is going to have

To get the most out of Alex smith, he needs protected. Same for whoever the next qb is.

A rookie lg with what else we've got on the ol gives you (hopefully) 5 years of really good ol play

But they may very well take a dl. That's fine, I can see it. I'm just not convinced that's the BEST bang for their buck but it could go either way

Schwartz isn't going to affect the left guard.

I think that Fulton and Reid are "capable" but that's not really ideal for a team with Championship aspirations.

I will say that I am a lot more comfortable taking a guard this year as opposed to other years like when DeCastro and Irving were constantly mocked to us. But it still isn't anywhere near the top of my list in the first

Either LDT or Morse.

And I know what Andy said......

Finding the best 5 will be modus operandi with the Chiefs. Would not be shocked if they drafted a Center and moved Morse.

Like I stated earlier, Dorsey can't be entirely comfortable with Gaines as the #2 corner - not because of ability, but rather durability.

The best bang for a team's buck isn't determined by a position being the weakest on the team. If that were the case, Dorsey would have drafted a WR2 in the first two rounds by now.

One thing about the guard position is that I do really get tired of hearing the cliche (no disrespect intended BossChief) "he has the tools" going into the third year of a player's career.

I'd rather be hearing "he made an impact his rookie year and has shown exceptional growth in year two." That would be something, but it isn't the case.

All this means is that LDT remains a huge question mark at guard; his strength wasn't noticeably better in year two. I don't trust Fulton at guard because he has heavy feet, but he's a functional backup center. Jah Reid should be a backup guard at best given his play throughout his career, but he's really kind of too long for the position and struggles with footwork.

Call me less than elated, or whatever you want to term it. I think the guard position is a huge issue at this point. I would not be disappointed with an early pick at he position to solidify one of the two spots. Guys like Cody Whitehair, Josh Garnett, Isaac Seumalo, Joe Dahl, Connor McGovern, and Christian Westerman all look light years ahead in development at the position compared to what is currently on the roster.

I'm also a big believer in having really good guards in the NFL. I think you can get by with average tackles if you have good guards. Keeping immediate pressure off the quarterback and giving him an area in the pocket he can step up into and away from outside pressure is a huge key to throwing the football effectively.

I don't think you take a guard in round 1, but round 2 is certainly in play.

LDT is about on the developmental path you'd expect considering the situation though.

I'm pretty much with you on the guard spot.

Fisher whitehair morse LDT Schwartz

That's a good young ol that could be together a while

I thought Fulton played better Center than Guard. Perhaps moving Morse to LG and Fulton to C is the best option. Then Reid plays the versatility role with LDT at RG.

I've been saying this since January but apparently, Reid disagrees.

Morse stays at center.

2003 taught us a lot, like how a great OL can make an entire offense perform better.

And in this division, there's nothing wrong with that.

Gotta say that after some thought, many of you are swaying me on the guard thing... we DO have some depth in the interior but it isnt ideal, an injury to Morse or LDT makes a mess of things

The other side of that token though, is... what about an injury to Ford or Hali while Houstons out? It would almost certainly be more disastrous than an O line injury

Just wish we had that damn third rounder

My compromise is this

First two rounds = OLB/converted DE and Corner, in whatever order Dorsey has whats available on his board

Then spend that 4th on a guard and trust in Dorseys magical power to find a great fit, maybe some overlooked stud will fall that far