Agholor is a very good route runner while Jenkins isn't. Would love this kid on our team.

I'm just curious, but how is Jenkins not a good route runner specifically? Every time I see the all 22 or he's targeted, he seems to be open.

Not being snarky, just curious.

For you guys who want Cobb or any upgrade in the slot, Justin Hardy is a player to keep an eye on. Much will depend on his 40 time when it comes to what round he'll be drafted. I'd take him in the 3rd.

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Anyone seen much of Deontay Greenberry this year?

Give me the guy in that Cooks/Watkins mold... fast AND quick, cuts on a dime, great hands.

Check out this kid from William & Mary. Love his ball skills, body control, and concentration. Supposed to have 4.4 speed with a 6'1" frame as well. Sounds like a good bet as a small school "sleeper".

Tre McBride

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Justin Hardy will not be there in round 3, I can guarantee you that. Minimum in my eyes is middle of round 2.

Already checked him out, which is why I've had him in my mocks :D

Why I don't like Funchess:

Even with his QB sucking, I'd still like to see him play hard and use his size to outmuscle DBs. He hasn't done that so far.

Funchess scares the shit out of me. I wouldn't take him in the first 2 rounds for sure. He seems lazy, mostly gets by on size against competition. Doesn't appear to have passion. His routes are shit. Reminds me alot of Jon Baldwin, but less talent than Baldwin.

Let's be honest though, they'll probably ignore wide receiver again.

Puzzling that they didn't take one this year after Sanders walked out on them in fa. I'd like to see Maclin in KC but they won't have the money for him.

Jaelon strong will be a first rounder. Would be great for us.

Bring in Maclin too

I just don't know that the WR's will go as high as we all think. There aren't any Watkins or Evans in there.

Cooper mayb3, but his frame is smaller than Watkins and he doesn't play special teams

@HerbieTeope-can't say it enough: #KState WR Tyler Lockett would be a nice fit in #Chiefs coach Andy Reid's version of the West Coast offense.

Agree 100%. This guy could be our own Randall Cobb type weapon.

Either of the auburn wrs in the 3rd round would be cool

Just don't see the need for a WR later round 1 in this offense when you have guys like Rashad Greene, Sammie Coates, Tyler Lockett, Antwaan Goodley, Stefon Diggs, and Justin Hardy available in round 2.

I think round 1 should be focused on defense. Get a CB, an imposing Safety like Cody Prewit or a DE like Eddie Goldman. We'll have plant of options to get a standout WR and TE after round 1.

DB will be stacked round 1. Would love to see us get our guy early.

just as stacked at the very top IMO.

dgb is just as good as evans with an even higher celing.

cooper is just as nfl ready as watkins, though he is smaller

i think white, parker, strong, funchess are pretty close to beckham, lee, cooks, and benjamin.

i would love to have him in the mid rounds. i've been wanting nick marshall for a while as well. he can make all the throws alex smith can make, except he can run much faster, and can throw a deep ball, and has a rocker launcher of an arm. he'd need to be coached up though.

The top 5 WRs in this class stack up very well against the top 5 of last year. After that, there is a significant drop off.

Cooper, Parker, White, Strong, and DGB are all comparable to last year's top group. I list DGB last among those guys because of his off-field issues. If he had stayed completely clean he would be a top 5 prospect.

Next are Coates and Funchess as the big boom or bust guys. Both have elite traits but also show signs of traits that say that they'll never amount to anything more than a #3 option in the NFL.

Agholor, Greene, Hardy, Duke Williams, Lockett, Goodley, etc are in the next group of 2nd to 3rd round talents who are all potential 1k yard WRs in the league.

If you want a good chance at landing a future #1, you have to take one of the top 5.

But these are the Chiefs we are talking about, with Andy Reid and John Dorsey. We'll take a lineman of some sort in the first.

You are mistaken sir...

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Oh, so they'll take an overrated turd that can't get on the field as a rookie? Awesome, totally awesome.

2 cents...

Looking back it really sucks that Sanders dissed us for the Donkeys, but anyone would have done the same if presented with the option.

Would LOVE to see Maclin in KC, even if it means Bowe is cut. We need an influx of talent at WR, particularly a fast WR with big YAC potential.

As for the draft... would love to see us grab a WR, 2 OL, and a qualify ILB in the first 3 rounds. Ideally WR in the first, ILB in the second and spend both 3rd rounders on OL... but can't say I've studied the guys coming out of college yet all that much so not sure where talent will fall for these three positions.

WRs usually take a while to develop, and their learning curve is steep because Reid runs a very large and complicated playbook.

If the chiefs want to maximize the chances that a rookie can contribute immediately, than they should get one that is already experienced in the west coast offense:

2011-present University of Louisville - Offense coordinated by Shawn Watson
2013-present San Diego State University - Offense coordinated by Bob Toledo
2014-present Vanderbilt - Offense coordinated by Karl Dorrell
2014-present Wyoming -Offense coordinated by Brent Vigen
2008-present Baylor University -offense coordinated by Art Briles

With that in mind, than these receivers start to make a lot of sense:
Davante Parker 6-2, 210 4.48 Louisville
Antwan Goodley 5-10, 225 4.50 Baylor
Levi Norwood 6-0, 195 4.55 Baylor

I believe Baylor doesn't run a west coast offense0-they run a spread offense

Sammy Watkins - 51 catches, 695 yards, 5 touchdowns
Mike Evans - 53 catches, 890 yards, 8 touchdowns
Odell Beckham Jr. - 48 catches, 699 yards, 5 touchdowns
Brandin Cooks - 53 catches, 550 yards, 3 touchdowns
Kelvin Benjamin - 57 catches, 824 yards, 8 touchdowns
Jordan Matthews - 54 catches, 686 yards, 7 touchdowns
Davante Adams - 34 catches, 417 yards, 3 touchdowns
Allen Robinson - 48 catches, 548 yards, 2 touchdowns
Jarvis Landry - 57 catches, 518 yards, 5 touchdowns
John Brown - 39 catches, 569 yards, 5 touchdowns


compared to:

Dwayne Bowe - 46 receptions, 569 yards, 0 touchdowns

When there are 10 or so rookies who are outproducing or at least on par with our top 5 paid veteran wide receiver (Dwayne Bowe), it kind of goes against the argument that it takes a while for wide receivers to develop.

One of those guys sure would have looked nice on this team...

By the way, if this team doesn't kick Dwayne Bowe to the curb this offseason then they are fools.

I want Antwan Goodley and I want him bad.

5'11, 220 lbs, 4.41 recorded 40 time.

Runs nice routes, easily strong enough to beat press and can get the YAC. This guy reminds me a lot of Greg Jennings.

He's got the strength of a Dwayne Bowe and the speed/burst to make things happen. I would almost be inclined to take him round 1. I can definitely see him moving up after he blows up the combine.

Goodley's athleticism and strength is insane.

660 squat
415 lb bench press: he'll get around 25-28 of 225 bar at the combine
Just saw he recorded a 4.39 electronic 40 (we'll go with his 4.41 tho)
10'9" broad jump
39 inch vertical

Those numbers alone are among the best in last years deep class. Based on Dorsey's penchant for athleticism and production, this guy should be high on our board.

The Art of offense
Has Baylor birthed college football's most unstoppable system?
Baylor incorporates elements of the west coast offense.

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1. one year is a small sample size. historically, receivers take awhile to develop. The 2014 draft could be an outlier or the start of a trend due to the incorporation of spread concepts in the NFL or because wrs are becoming better developed in college.

2. Thirty three wrs were selected in the 2014 draft. If you include UDFA rookie wr who made an nfl roster the number in the nfl would be even larger. This means, at most, 30% are having success as rookies. If the chiefs are banking their hopes on rookies, than they need to maximize the chances of success, and the best way would be to target receivers who are familiar with the west coast offense.

The below quotes discuss how complicated Reid's playbook is:

Holy Gruden! Learning Andy Reid’s play calls is tall order for Chiefs QBs
http://www.kansas.com/sports/nfl/kan...le3874420.html
http://www.independentmail.com/sport...hiefs_90555243
http://www.ibtimes.com/nfl-playbook-...t-work-1677470
http://arrowheadaddict.com/2014/07/2...-running-back/
he would be an excellent fit for the chiefs offense. He may be available later in the draft due to decreased production this year (due to injury).

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this site is awesome. i love these guys. they made an hour long video breaking down devante parkers game, as well as devante davis, and the little things parker needs to work on. they actually think hed be a poor choice in a wco, and specifically mentioned kc.

I've already stated that I don't think he'd be as good in this system as his talent on the college level suggests.

He doesn't come off the line quickly (more of a strider once he hits 10 yards or so) and isn't really crisp on his breaks.

I believe I've already stated it somewhere else, but he reminds me a ton of former Boise State wide receiver Austin Pettis.

those were both points they hit on. they didnt like his short choppy steps he takes getting of the LOS. they think he does a poor job at selling going deep on short and intermediate routes by breaking down too early, and slowing down before his breaks. they also compared him to marquise lee in that he is never the aggressor while running routes, and always lets the db make first contact. they dont believe he is afraid of contact like lee though, because he will lower his head as a ball carrier.

Every team runs the same offense with the same QB.

I havent spent the time watching prospects yet, as I find it to be easier when the season's done, then I check out the guys as they are ranked.

As a K-State fan, Im a super homer for Tyler Lockett. How does he project at the next level? If I try set my bias aside, I can understand that he's smaller than many of the elite WR's in the league, and while he does seem to be dinged up often, he pushes through and gets back on the field. I'm not sure he'll be able to do that with an NFL schedule and NFL sized hits from NFL sized players.

However, he is an ELITE route runner, and has shown the ability to make the amazing catch seemingly once or twice per game. Rarely does he drop a ball, but the most memorable was in the big Auburn game this year.

What round does he project to go in? What system will he be a fit for? Will he washout, be JAG, or blow up?

Just read the Percy Harvin might be available in the offseason as Jets move into rebuilding mode.

Current contract is pricey, but he and Bowe would be a nice duo.

Phillip Dorsett from Da U should be tops on our board.

He'll run in the 4.3's, has elite quickness, is 5"10 with 195 lbs. This guy is very similar to Randall Cobb.

Imagine double-dipping and taking Dorsett early and WR like Levi Norwood, Tyler Lockett or Antwan Goodley with our 3rd rd comp pick.

I'd take a shot on Davaris Daniels in the 4th round if he decides to come out.

"Phillip Dorsett missed five games last season with a partially torn medial collateral ligament in his left knee – not to mention a pulled left quadriceps just before the Russell Athletic Bowl.

But man, can this Miami Hurricane fly.

This month, Dorsett set a University of Miami all-time best of 4.21 seconds in the 40-yard dash, bettering former Hurricane Sam Shields’ 4.26 record.

Both those times, said UM Canes strength and conditioning coach Andreu Swasey, were averages of a few stopwatches timing the players for each 40.

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One stopwatch, Swasey said, had Dorsett running a 4.18.

“He’s definitely explosive,” Swasey said Friday of the senior, who graduated from Fort Lauderdale St. Thomas Aquinas High and has caught 85 passes for 1,261 yards and seven touchdowns in 32 games. “Dorsett has gotten so much faster. It’s amazing what he has done.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/co...#storylink=cpy

He's not some scrawny stick like DAT, Dante Hall, Tavon Austin or DMC. This guy is 195 lbs with good muscle. And he's a very good blocker.

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I really like Dorsett as well, but not until the 3rd round.

With the frame and speed he has, I think that alone would move him up to round 2.

Phillip Dorsett and Tyler Lockett. Get both these guys on the team and we are in good shape.

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Dorsett has easy speed like Desean Jackson. He'll probably go in a similar spot in the draft.

People keep saying "Chiefs need to draft a WR round 1" but the type of WR we need just isn't there.

Cooper and White will be gone and what's left isn't what we need. We don't need Bowe types in Jalean Strong and Devin Funchess. We need a Paul Richardson type with wheels.

Honestly there will be so many of these type of WR's available rd 2 I can't see how we don't take one then.
Algholor, Greene, Lockett, Dorsett, Diggs, Goodley, Hardy (I think he'll run a good time).

I want us to take 2 of these guys.

I'd take green Beckham if he were there in the 2nd

You do have a point. I still wouldn't be upset with Strong or Parker in rd 1.

So WR in rd 2 works.. People will roll their eyes, but if WR in rd 2, then I wouldn't at all mind a versatile OL in rd 1. Maybe a prospect like TJ Clemmings, La'el Collins, or Cedric Ogbuehi to boost the talent at RT and/or LG.

Watching Funchess play makes me feel like puking. He's as soft as you can get for a guy his size and has really inconsistent hands as well.

I actually think that Strong would help a lot as another stick mover and a dependable red zone target. I would have zero problems with drafting him in the first and getting a guy like Lockett or Dorsett later in the draft.

I feel like Dorsey is going to fall in love with a guy like Sammie Coates though due to his measurables; that worries me because Coates is about as far as you can get from a natural receiver/pass catcher in this draft. I feel like he has a little too much DHB in him.

I fear this too. I really like Rashad Greene as a target as well. 6 ft, 180 best route runner who never drops the ball and has some quickness to him as well as speed (sub 4.4 guy).

We need a Paul Richardson type of WR though. No more slower big red zone targets. We have that in Bowe and Avant.

I've really just set my sights on Justin Hardy. Reminds me of Odell Beckham. Really just an amazing player. I'm putting him in round 1, despite the pundits rankings. The guy is a serious talent. He's my Jordan Matthews for this year... I'll pound the ****ing table all offseason for the Chiefs to draft this kid... then they won't and they'll regret it. Either way, I have him firmly entrenched in my mind as a guy the Chiefs must consider at the top of the draft. He's perfect for this offense.

my boy Josh Harper who will be available around the 4th round will be a nice pickup

A year late and dollar short what were they thinking last year ?

It sucks looking toward the draft already, we can move up a few spots this weekend with a loss!

Jump 2 to 3 spots in the picking order makes a world of difference that is where i would start.

But, but he's got a good first step.

Also he IS a lineman.

Which FA wide receivers are expected to hit the open market and potentially end up with a new team?

I'm assuming guys like Thomas, Bryant, Maclin and even Royal will be signed by their current organizations. But what about guys like Harvin, Crabtree, Torrey Smith or Hakeem Nicks?

Crabtree, Smith and Nicks are just about as good as Bowe, but cheaper. I read Jet's might do a complete overhaul and let Harvin go, after a year in NY and being dropped by the Jets his price may be down. Would be great to trade Bowe out for a less expensive option.

I'm liking West Virginia's Kevin White more and more.

I'm thinking he might be there when the Chiefs select. They are going to have a lot of options available to them I think.

Yes.

Perfect.

I've been setting my sights on Hardy a lot more lately as well. He reminds me a bit of Beckham as well. not quite as good, but they're around the same size, Hardy can make those ridiculous one handed catches, Both very quick. I think Beckham was a little more polished, and a little faster/all around athlete, but Hardys a great prospect.

The first time I saw Justin Hardy play, I thought Lynn Swann. Not blazing fast but great agility, body control, incredible competitor, and catches everything he gets a hand on.

Shaq Thompson from Cincinatti looks pretty quick in his bowl game

If you want a #1 WR, you are going to have to draft him. No team, in today's NFL, is going to allow an elite/true #1 WR to walk unless they have serious character issues and you wouldn't want them on your team anyways if that is the case (TO).

Josh Harper will be praised for his mechanics at the combine and pro day... will be had by 4th round i predict.. loved watching him live

Not too big of a Harper fan, tbh. I follow Fresno State a bit because I'm from the Central Valley, but I don't think that he is anything special. Dime a dozen type of WR in the NFL.

You are 100% correct here. I do wonder how important a "#1" wr is in a reid system though. I think it would work extremely well with just a bunch of pretty good guys.

Reid spent high draft picks/on #1 types with Jeremy Maclin and Desean Jackson. Let's not act like he undervalued the position.

I never said, or acted like he undervalued the position. Reids fielded many of teams that finished out top 5 in the league in ypg, and points per game, with guys like Todd Pinkston and Kevin Curtis as the #1 WR on the team. The ball gets spread around a lot. I dont think its necessary to have a true elite #1 WR. But I do think it's necessary to have a group of pretty good guys who can all generate YAC. Obviously having an elite guy at the position is going to help, but Reids proven he can have success without one.

What is a #1 or #1 type wr anyways? Can anyone give me a definition? Maybe i have a different definition.

My idea of a true #1 is someone who can win anywhere on the field and is almost impossible to stop 1 on 1. The Johnsons, Jones, Green, Fitzgerald in his prime, Marshall, Vincent Jackson in his prime, Bryant, Thomas, etc.

Those are the exact kind of guys who are #1's to me. Big body guys who can Catch 50/50 balls, out body you in the endzone, and can also burn you deep.

I really don't think a guy like that is necessary for a reid offense to thrive. Actually thats more of a fact not really just what I think lol. He's only had a guy like that once, for a few seasons.

Right, he doesn't "need" a WR like that but when he had one, he got all the way to the Superbowl. It's not necessary in Reid's offense, but it will sure as hell help make things easier for him so that he doesn't always have to scheme everything open which can get stale as we saw this season.

Thats very true, it certainly never hurts to have a guy like that.

Jesus...

I totally forgot about this guy because he's played on an absolutely horrible team, but he's been a freaking terror all year long:

Vince Mayle

Anybody wanting a guy like Devin White or Jaleen Strong or Devante Parker needs to take a serious look at this dude.

6'3", 220 lbs.

1483 yards, 9 TDs

Two games over 250 yards.

Dude has been an absolute beast all year with total crap around him. Nobody has shut him down all year. Utah's crushed WR all year and he put up 120 on them.

Huge, muscular dude with burst.

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1 2014-08-28 Washington State N Rutgers 12 124 10.3 1
2 2014-09-05 Washington State @ Nevada 8 86 10.8 1
3 2014-09-13 Washington State Portland State 5 35 7.0 1
4 2014-09-20 Washington State Oregon 7 75 10.7 0
5 2014-09-27 Washington State @ Utah W 8 120 15.0 2
6 2014-10-04 Washington State California 11 263 23.9 1
7 2014-10-10 Washington State @ Stanford 6 78 13.0 1
8 2014-10-25 Washington State Arizona 14 145 10.4 1
9 2014-11-01 Washington State USC 9 83 9.2 0
10 2014-11-08 Washington State @ Oregon State 6 143 23.8 1
11 2014-11-22 Washington State @ Arizona State 15 252 16.8 0
12 2014-11-29 Washington State Washington 5 79 15.8 0

Titus Davis. In rd 2. Because moar central michigan.

Agree Sac... I've been thinking about and watching alot of him lately. He's really grown since last season. The dude is a legitimate sleeper to be one of the best receivers in this draft. I've been hesitant to mock him yet, but he's up on the radar.

dayum... that's a full grown man right there. Gets any bigger, he will need to be a TE hybrid. Looked pretty good.. another thickly talented draft for WRs. Don't snub em this time, Dorsey.

Pretty impressed with Mayle, I'm pretty surprised by his route running skills. That was a beautiful dig route at 1:10. He sold the post pretty nice there. I love the way he uses his hands too to create that extra bit of separation and to get off the press. I'd love to have him in the second. Nice stuff.

oooooh nice... fall a little bit further, Devante Parker, lol.

If there is one WR I would put money on KC drafting, it's Sammie Coates. He is everything this organization looks for.

Amazing speed and strength. High potential but will need to develop. Can block and take any pass to the house on screens.

That picks screams John Dorsey to me.

I'm really leery of Coates. Awesome potential, grossly lacking production. I'd take him in round 3 or 4.

His hands are made of bricks and his ball skills are average at best. He's basically the Vernon Davis of WRs.

fer shits and giggles, how would you rank the the top 10-12 wrs from 2014 and 2015 prospects (1-20)? Obviously the 2014 class having a year in the nfl will skew things (like no one thought Beckham would instantly be the most electrifying wr in the league)

2014 (drafted in first two rounds):

Sammy Watkins
Mike Evans
Odell Beckham Jr.
Brandin Cooks
Kelvin Benjamin
Marqise Lee
Jordan Matthews
Paul Richardson
Davante Adams
Cody Latimer
Allen Robinson
Jarvis Landry

2015 WR board from GBN:

Amari Cooper
Davante Parker
Kevin White
Jaelen Strong
Devin Funchess
Dorial Geen-Beckham
Sammie Coates
Ty Montgomery
Nelson Agholor
Rashad Greene
Deontay Greenberry
Josh Harper
Tyler Lockett


would Cooper come in 4th behind Beckham Jr?

feels like the top of 2014 is (much) better, but a stretch of 2015 would run in the middle from like 5-10