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Ed Harris takes Top villain role in HBOs "Westworld" reboot
(https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=285622)
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I'll rewatch it this weekend. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
I watched the first episode during the free preview of HBO this past weekend. Looked like a good show. I don't want to subscribe to HBO, though I am tempted. Any other way to watch?
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2. Install Kodi on it 3. Watch any TV show or Movie for free 4. Cancel all Cable related bills 5. Profit :D |
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Would You Rather watch those two and appreciate the connection |
Watched the first episode last night and was pretty spellbound.
Ed Harris' character is going somewhere interesting. |
In episode 3, can someone pay attention to Teddy/Marsden's dialog during the first gunfight for McPoyle?
Is it just me, or does his voice and accent sound overdubbed by Kevin Costner? Does Marsden always sound like Costner and I just don't notice? |
Keep waiting for McPoyles brother and sister to show up in bath robes. Very distracting
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amazing show so far
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So was there a "hiccup" when Robert and Bernard were talking about Arnold's pyramid theory of bicameral mind? Or was it just my feed? I reversed back to 4:10 twice while watching (thinking I must have missed something) and the explanation of the pyramid hiccuped and played twice, each time. After ending the show, I reloaded and it didn't happen again. Probably wouldn't have noticed if not for the same glitch happening with Delores at the end.
Also, is the Man In Black actually Robert's old partner Arnold? |
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I think this is a possibility. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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My gut feeling on Ed Harris is that he is a long time customer who is willing to pay a lot of money to go on his own special story-line. That he only appears inhumane to us because we are anthropomorphizing the hosts. He doesn't do that because he sees them in the same way that we would look at an old Teddy Ruxpin, or a character in Grand Theft Auto. Dolores is just the hooker you shoot to get your money back after you kick her out of your car. Harris is jaded and he just doesn't give a shit.
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Maybe this was already addressed and I missed it, but how do guests know they're interacting with a host/robot and not another guest? Also, are guests impervious to any kind of physical assault in the park, or just the parks firearms?
I'm really enjoying this show. Like GoT, it's one of those where I'm likely to re-watch the previous episode before watching the new one live. |
I'm pretty sure it's just guns, they mentioned something about how dangerous an axe could be.
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The guns are engineered to treat visitors like paintball [feel and see impact, but no lasting damage], and treat hosts like video game casualties [strike positions start damage subroutines in the unit]. Some hosts are and others aren't programmed for handling of dangerous utilitarian items, such as axes, whips, and fire. In addition to the 'do no harm' programming, the hosts are programmed to utilize human 'skills' to divert guests from danger. ie, if someone is pushing for a fist fight, or to shove a guest into danger [cliff, animal pen, fire, etc], the host will either try to diffuse the situation or offer him/herself up as the sacrificial victim. |
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So there are a group of guests in the park that have gone full on psycho, or is that just part of the draw for the thrill seekers? That group Teddy ran into at the end of the ep, he unloaded his gun into all of them, but nothing.....
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[BRC] Felt like a filler episode but it was still interesting. Some plotlines got moved along. I think sentience is spreading like a...virus. I still feel this way about Ed Harris:[BRC] Quote:
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This is getting deep and dark. Loving it so far.
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Interesting episode tonight.
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Just watched it. Very good. Lots of really great moments in this episode.
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This show gets better with every episode
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This is going to be one of those shows that I'm going to go back and watch every season before the start of the next season and notice things I've never noticed before.
I love it. I need to find some good youtube recaps. |
It would be cool if Dolores is actually Yul Brenner's character from the movie.
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Did anyone else see that split second smirk Logan had when he realized William wasn't going to come save him, almost like that's what he wanted to see William do? I wonder what that's all about.
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There was something more in that look, like Logan was trying to set William on some path that he was resisting for the longest time. Almost like this whole thing is a predetermined story just for William. That's a ton to get from a glance, lol. We'll see. |
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They have mentioned that Dolores is the oldest guest in the park. They have mentioned that she was there when the insurrection happened. They have shown that she was working with the dead partner when he was alive for some sort of anti-establishment reason. There have been scenes with employees asking her about her motivations with references too, among other things, her attitude towards committing violent acts. Suppose she achieved sentience during the insurrection and and she is being kept around for study purposes under the assumption that morphing her into a damsel in distress under extremely harsh code limitations will keep her from becoming dangerous again as long as she isn't pushed in that direction? |
So here is my theory.......
The "Man in Black" is the real life brother of Arnold. He saved the park when something happened when Arnold died. Arnold was going to "Destroy" the park by making the HOST become self aware (AI). So the other partner killed him with Deloras. But Arnold left clues to what really happened, and what was really going on, hints the "maze". The "Man in Black" because of his financial investment in the park get what ever he wants, but what he is really looking for is the Truth about Arnolds death. |
Has the two time line theory been discussed yet?
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The two bros at the park being one time line Ed Harris / The Man In Black another timeline Bernard's discussions with Deloris as a third timeline Basically this... <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/J0llOBmNm90" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
I was on the multiple timelines train until I read a scene by scene timeline layout. The following scenes happened back to back.
Ford (Anthony Hopkins) created the Wyatt story in the present time. That means the scene labeled "Sweetwater New Day" below happened in the present. Immediately following that scene, Dolores stumbles into William's camp. Now, if that took place in the past, that's a really ****ed up thing that the writer's have done because that means we can't trust them. -- Sweetwater New Day -- -Teddy protects Dolores from Rebus's posse, they head off to teach her to shoot -Sheriff rides up, convinces Teddy to leave Dolores to hunt down Wyatt -Wyatt's costumed men ambush Teddy's group, everyone flees, Teddy is beaten and tied to a tree -Dolores arrives home to find her home ransacked by Rebus. She blasts him and flees. -- Elsewhere -- -Dolores stumbles her way into William's camp. |
Cool thanks for that. Great show, lots of different themes they are trying to explore. Hopefully it doesn't all fall apart at the end like LOST
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Another thing is that the people running the park see that Dolores is off her loop and can't tell if she's doing it on her own or if she's with a guest, and they say something to the effect of "We can't tell if she's doing it on her own or not, Ford's new storyline is screwing things up."
Then we see the caretaker in a Cowboy hat try to come and get her, but William says, she's with me. Edit: I want to know if Old Ford is ever seen with Stubbs and Elsie. I guess it's possible that Stubbs and Elsie are in the past timeline. If there's anything to link them to Ford in the current day, then I'm fairly confident that there's only one timeline. |
I need to watch each episode at least twice to catch everything.
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I'm not really buying into the multiple timelines theory. It's not necessary unless I've missed something. What I do wonder is, though, is what is the significance of Dolores seeing herself in that crowd of painted up revelers in Pariah? She saw herself in a side room later when she sat at the table as well. Was that entire segment just her personality breaking in the way that a human might snap and become psychotic?
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Just found this video. It is an argument for and against the show having multiple timelines.
He uses the same arguments I used against the multiple timelines, but in a more eloquent manner. He also uses arguments for the multiple timelines that are very legit and have me questioning this again. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/EupcIwqMd0s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
Great vid, thanks for posting that.
Listening to the reasons against, it feels like he's on the right path but hasn't quite nailed it down. The control room scene could maybe be proof that the park is run by androids as well? Just more aware androids, possibly? (even though my theory sounds weak) |
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Also the video you just posted was posted about 10 posts back by KC Lee Quote:
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I got swept up in Westworld excitement. Plus, I was posting just in case 99% of the board had KC Lee on ignore.
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I don't think there are different timelines. There is zero progression of technology between the timelines, however, we see the "old" bartender talking to Robert. If the androids were old in the other timeline, they're SIGNIFICANTLY more advanced than the bartender.
I'm just not sold on the alternate timelines. Not ruling it out, but right now, it doesn't line up for me. |
The different timelines would explain a lot.
I still think that the man in black is the former co-partner Arnold - downloaded into Ed Harris. |
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Ed Harris is the guy that killed Yul Brynner in the movie. Crazy idea: Dolores is The Gunslinger (Yul Brynner). |
Stupid question - Is The Park an actual thousands of acres place, or is it like some type of holodeck technology where the caretakers can get in and out of quickly?
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This is supposed to be where all the offices of Delos are inside of this plateau. https://i.imgur.com/oyBcmTx.jpg |
So I'm still not clear on if the hosts can harm humans or not?
It's been established they can't kill guests with guns. But what about other means? They show white hats BIL about to get strangled, then later on its implied that white hat leaves his BIL to get killed by the renegade soldiers. Can they do physical harm with their bare hands to humans?? |
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Think of it like this:
Isaac Asimov's "Three Laws of Robotics"
The androids are roughing up Rodrigo Santoro when William escapes but he's smiling at the end of the scene because he knows he's not really in any danger. Now remember that every potentially dangerous item is controlled by the company. In one scene a fire wasn't started because the only host with the correct psychological blocks necessary to be allowed to handle an axe wasn't present. The guns don't function correctly when used against a human. The explosives Ed Harris used had to be authorized before they were allowed to work (also meaning that the nitro wasn't going to blow up on that train regardless of whether Dolores shot at it). |
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Rodrigo Santoro (Hector): http://i.imgur.com/W1HVcjU.jpg Ben Barnes (Logan): http://i.imgur.com/55lKJOA.jpg Hector Left/Logan Right http://i.imgur.com/i6IvKGG.png |
Dang. They actually look a lot more alike then I realized.
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