The only reason the comparisons were made is really because of their build/height/weight. They are NOT similar players. Sapp was a real low center of gravity-natural get up the field pass rush guy. Dorsey is not, and did not do that at LSU. He played more of a 2-gap scheme and was in fact asked to occupy blockers a lot.

The Sapp comparisons never made a damned bit of sense at all. The one area I agree with you on is that I think Dorsey would be even better in a 1 gap 3-4 front because he would be allowed to get into the back field more than he did in this scheme. Romeo was big on running a mixed 30 and 40 front where Seymour moved inside on the 40 fronts and played a 1 gap set. I'm sure he'll establish that here too.

So I guess we'll find out who is right in that regard.

To the barge?

No shit I'll take this over what we had in a heartbeat. I just hope they can all keep their egos in check.

Get Mangino for QB Coach...Then our staff will be really phat!!

Dorsey playing a one gap is essentially the same as him playing 3 Technique in a 4-3. He's just shooting a different gap.

Dorsey was an explosive player in college. 69 tackles, 12.5 TFL, and 7 sacks as a DT in the SEC when he played half the year hurt is rare and explosive.

Yea, I don't get the whining. Then again.......I shouldn't be surprised.

Maybe, but they will have the two biggest waistline coordinators in the NFL.

FWIW, the same excuses were used for Clancy last year.

"He runs a hybrid, so Dorsey will basically be used as a 3 Technique anyway".

Never happened.

ham ass would hire someone and then still bitch endlessly about it.

Mods change this guys screen name to irony.

I guess I don't understand what is wrong with Crennel. The choice of him over Pendergast is a no brainer IMVHO.

Good thing they widened the concourses at Arrowhead

I like the Weis hire a lot better than Crennel, but still - it's a big step in the right direction

I've given it some thought and concluded that some people believe that they can build themselves up by tearing others down. It's typically a symptom of low self-esteem and immaturity.

It's wise to remember that old Hungarian proverb; When you point your finger at someone else, three of your other fingers are pointing back at you and your thumb is kind of sticking out sideways.

FAX

how many titles did the cat who wrote moneyball win?
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These are the key things here IMO:

A) There has to be a sense of legitimacy brought in here from our coaching staff. So in our case, especially with a young team, you bring in guys with rings, and they will listen and they will probably work a bit harder, because they know what these guys have done has worked.

B) You have to hire the best guys to implement your system. If these are the best guys available, then you hire them. If Dick Lebeau was available and he fit what I wanted to do, I certainly wouldn't avoid hiring him because he was "unoriginal". The new guy could suck just as easily, like Sheridan in New York. There are no guarantees that they'd be any good.

C) Usually it pays to know who you are hiring and knowing what you want. Dick Vermeil went out and hired a guy he had worked with, Al Saunders, to run his offense. Worked great. He went out and hired two defensive coordinators he had never worked with, GRob and Dumbther, and it failed miserably. And a lot of that had to do with DV having no real defensive philosophy other than wanting the other team to score less.

At the end of the day, if Pioli doesn't give these guys better talent that fits their systems, it won't work anyway...

You're gonna put that botch by Romo on Parcell's shoulders? That was not his fault in any way.

The 3-4 isnt a trend.

It has been around for quite some time.

But I fully agree, we shouldnt have changed to it when we had investment in a 4-3.

Isn't your thumb pointing at your woman who's always right about whatever it is you're talking about?

If you mean Michael Lewis, the guy who wrote it, 0.

However, Moneyball is more applicable in the NFL than MLB.

There are fixed assets (players) but teams change schemes to copy teams that have done well.

Look at the 3-4. It requires a very specific skillset. The teams who've succeeded running it did so because they could get tweeners at good value. Same for teams who first started running the Tampa 2. But when everyone starts running it, you have increased demand for a fixed supply, and if you're chasing the trend, that's a losing proposition.

If the majority of the league is running a 3-4, you shouldn't. It's bad business.

We aren't that far away. Just having actual LBers and a NT will be such an improvement. I think Hali showed what he can do this year and that was with no help.

I agree completely. I could care less who we emulate. I just want to see some ****ing wins and a team that is relevant late in the season.

Right now, it's the "hot" trend.

5 years ago, you could count the teams that run it on one hand.

Now, close to half the league runs it.

Meanwhile, Belichick is smart enough to see all these organizations chasing the trend, knowing players are going to harder to come by, so what does he do?

He's switching back to the 43. Lead the trend. Never follow it.

Its seriously hard to pick which one of your posts to rep sometimes ROFL

Although it's possible that you're alluding to one of Hamas's earlier posts, trying to undercut Beane's achievements (not the author, obviously) is preposterous, given his market and the dynamics of (then) MLB.

As long as we imrpove, i could give a shit who is the coach. We been in the dumps for a while now. They need to start winning whoever it is.

A good coordinator is a good coordinator. Haley is on his own for the first time and he's fresh meat as a HC, I am fine with all of this. I will always give someone a little while before i pass judgement. People get hired for a reason in the NFL. I dont think people will want to hire someone just for the hell of it. Especially a first year GM and a first year HC.

Upgrade.

i know who wrote it, my comment had nothong yo do with beane. but yeah the same thing goes for him on titles at that point. and that the goal right? to win it all. otwp said so, anything else is failure
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Not in the Sapp mold. It's different. either way, he's not a 3-tech like you are thinking of. He's just not.

Would you like to argue otherwise?

Be my guest, I'd love to see this.

Congratulations!!!!

BEST OFFSEASON EVA! or was that 2009? I forget.

where did i say that was wrong? ever?

all i said was that it was silly to pin it all on ONE PLAYER (the qb.) thats it.
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Ultimately, the goal is a championship. Period.

But the MLB comparison is a bad one because, for a long time, the playing field was not level, a far, far cry from the relative competitive balance in the NFL.

Edit: To your last post...how/why are we talking about QBs?

i know im a royals fan....
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Another dumbass, like myself. :(

The thing is that the more the system is successful, like it has been, you are gonna get coaches/office guys that receive promotions for their efforts in coaching and supporting the system. This is gonna undoubtedly spread the use of said system more than it being a "fad".

If Pioli knows ton of 3-4 coaches, scouts and other football guys that have been in a certain system for a long while and been very successful in it and he takes over a team with a terrible defense, I dont fault him throwing out all the other stuff he can put in place to stick with a system that is historically bad.

After 2-14, the team needed a complete overhaul and even though we did have Dorsey, a major change was needed.

From a fans "instant gratification" persprective, it sucks that we threw out some young talent for a scheme change, but I can see why it was done and not because the person that did it was a fool.

i see you there brother :( hey itll be better next year


to tha ship.....:)
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What I like is that Clark's trying. Maybe all of his hires wont end up being perfect, but its obvious he's trying to bring in proven coaches Pioli thinks can win. Pretty sad its come to settling for that, but what can you do...

This sounds more like Adam is speculating than him actually having inside info.

yes butt its immenent speculation

Schefter is an overrated piece of crap-period.

gross don't mix your crap with your period

Big Red Chief thinks it's going to happen, so I'm going to assume that it's going to happen.

this

All this "lead the trend don't follow it" stuff makes me laugh.

Who gives a shit if NE is going to back to a 40 front? The Steelers won the SB last year with a 3-4. The scheme isn't as important as the players in it.

The team they played AZ also played a hybrid 3-4. And the defense played well in the playoffs and SB for the most part.

He's been talking to the WPI guy, he never gets anything right either!

you're pissing in the wind


this is one of a couple confused arguments popular around here for inexplicable reasons.....

you can't pick at the assumptions behind it for more than a second without it crumbling to dust....but it is considered "intellectual" and frequently wielded by "intellectuals"....

Doesn't know what to do with all of this good news...
Weis AND Crennel in Kansas City?
Somebody slap me!

LMAO

Jesus.

I wish Hamas and OTWP would take a break again...

We hire two of the most qualified assistants on the market and all they can do is rant about how stupid Pioli is...

Haley isn't qualified enough, Pioli doesn't know squat, Weis weighs too much, Crennel never coached anything he just road Belichick's coattails...

on and on and on and on

We get it...you guys hate Pioli...we know, we get it...

Go soil some other NFL board...or go be Falcons fans...you seem to sure like that GM an awful lot.

Last I checked, less than half the league ran the 3-4. Your shot at landing the type of player you're looking for is about the same as it is in the 4-3.

I like the acquisition of Weis more than potentially adding Crennel as well.

I was never impressed with his defenses in Cleveland, and his work in New England is marred by the fact that Belichick was the true architect there. And I don't know that the traditional two-gap 3-4 system that he runs is really the way to go in todays NFL.

Belichick didn't hire any coaches he'd known?

Having Weis and (possibly) Crennel on our staff is a positive sign and a recent poll shows the majority of ChiefsPlanet welcomes it....but leave it to a small handful on ChiefsPlanet to find some reason to bitch about it. Not surprisingly, it's the same users time after time that are the culprits.....

Can you ****ing read, douchebag?

I'm all for the hire of Weis.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...is#post6415945

The attention whore swings and misses, again.

One of my favorite ex-Chiefs that never quite made it to a quality starting role. But, he was one hell of a special teamer who wasn't afraid to deliver the big hit and fight for the ball on bottom of the pile.

Oh, I have no doubt that there's been some communication there. What I doubt is that it's a done deal.

I haven't read through the thread. What happened to the Jets?

I'm glad we're at least trying....love it or hate these two tubs can coach...on their sides of the ball..not as a HC

Schefter once said Pioli would never be a Chief.

:facepalm:

But he also said Shanahan would never coach the Chiefs.

words of wisdom :clap:

end of thread.

one person vs the field is always a good bet

That's because he has a direct line to Shanahan.

I wouldn't trust him on any Patriots-related garbage.

I guess WIPE bet wrong on that one.

This was my opinion of Maslowski. Guy was a monster on special teams, but he should have never been more than that.

What I never get is how a team will hire a guy great for special teams, when he does really good move him up to the d, and then when he doesn't do as well they just flat out release him. Uh, why don't you just try and put him back where he was kicking ass?

Hey I'll tell you what you can get a good look at a butchers a$$ by sticking you head up there, but wouldn't you rather take his word for it.

No I mean you can get a good look at a t-bone by sticking your head up a butchers a$$ but then no it's gotta be your bull.

I don't know why we care what Adam thinks. This guy has the real info:
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/76/768038.jpg

Spam!

good one. :)

Amazing, isn't it?

ADAM IS TALIKING OUT OF HIS ASS! It would be incredible but there is no evidence of this.

isnt that the Old Spice ship? :hmmm:

:p

Dude......you said Dorsey= Derrick Thomas, so....shut up!


:D

Well, I'll be on WPI faithfully now. Seeing as how they broke the Weis story and all....



Oh wait...

We kinda did, to be honest.

Sure dude.