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I keep hearing this. Does Denver have more than 1 QB? Does New England or New Orleans? The solution at QB is quantity. |
They said on mike and mike today that Foles got told by Chip Kelly that he would be given every opportunity to start in Philly.
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This is all a bunch of useless chatter. |
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I was going off of Dorsey's history of picking QB's and letting them sit and develop behind the starter. If you can do that and then translate them to draft picks later, that's a win. Granted, in my original post, a 2nd may be too high for that idea but I was thinking they might hedge their bets in case Foles doesn't continue to develop. |
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The Combine can't get here soon enough. |
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I think your last line was a typo...? |
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Yes, I meant to say the solution is QUALITY, not QUANTITY. |
FTR, if we somehow went into training camp with Geno Smith, Nick Foles and Ricky Stanzi...that would be flat out awesome.
I have been high on all three for some time now...there was a time Foles was talked about as a top ten pick and we all know Stanzi was a second round talent. :evil: |
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Not If they trade for Foles, goodbye to drafting a QB in 1st 3 rounds. It's.. If the Chiefs don't like this years class and decide "we're not using a top 3 round pick on this crop of QBs for the value", then they trade for Foles. Probably semantics but I think you get what I'm saying. It will be telling of what they thing about this year's class. Nonetheless, I think I'm with htismaqe on this one that we can get someone very similar in the 3rd in this years class so maybe we should hold off. |
I just don't understand why we would give up a premium to get Foles.
You could get an IDENTICAL prospect in the 3rd or 4th round. You could get a SUPERIOR prospect in the 2nd, which is the pick some are speculating it would take to get Foles. People don't want to draft Geno Smith because of value value blah blah blah. Yet they're willing to throw a WHOLE ROUND OF VALUE down the toilet to get an unproven guy like Foles? |
Foles = Yes
Alex Smiff + Mediocrity wet dream for some = NO! |
I'm curious who we could get in the 3rd round this year that would compare? Just because Foles was a 3rd rounder last year in a very deep QB class doesn't mean he would be a 3rd rounder this year. I think Foles compares very favorably to Nassib and Glennon and those guys are considered late 1st, early 2nd guys.
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Certainly Tyler Bray could be available in the 3rd. Nobody has his arm talent. Then there's EJ Manuel who everybody says has tools but is raw. Landy Jones? He's a 3rd or so right? |
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I think Manuel will go in the 2nd. Someone will fall in love with his athleticism. |
Chip Kelly should draft Manuel.
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I'd rather trade a mid rounder for Foles for those reasons, but only as a backup. I don't think he goes anywhere, though. |
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That's my take anyway. If I watch college highlights of the two QBs side by side, there's really no comparison. Lindley just seems skiddish out there to me. Dysert looks like he's got the arm for the pros. |
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We all want a back up? There's our backup. |
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Sure would be nice to give the kid a shot. |
Draft Geno.
Sign Hasselbeck. Keep Stanzi. Draft a guy in the 6th/7th round. Order them as need be on the depth chart and cut the worst guy. |
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I have been a fan of Foles since his first game at AZ (against my Beavers) and you hate him like he ran over your girlfriend and ****ed your dog (or maybe that's the other way around) so we probably aren't going to see this the same way. :) |
Idk about you guys but I loved Foles when he came out last year. He was awesome at Arizona, but people didn't know it because his coach and team sucked ass.
Arizona was a top 10 passing team in college and Foles was very accurate. The guy has a rifle too. Hell I liked him more than Wilson, Assweiler, Weeden and Tannehill. If there is one guy who is comparable to Joe Flacco, it's this guy. He wasn't inconsistent in college and he isn't a pussy like Glennon. |
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speaking of Glennon. Did anyone see him in the All-star challenge at the end of Jan? He looked awful. Just awful
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Arm (which includes release and accuracy) + how well the guy does under pressure are the two things that can get me to like any QB. I see those things from Dysert when I watch youtube game footage (never saw any of his games). I didn't see them from Lindley. I think Foles has a Tebow arm when it comes to short/intermediate stuff. He DOES appear to have a bigger brain than Tebow, though. If he works through his short/mid-range game well enough, he could be a pretty good QB. Again, though, that's like saying, "If this WR would just work on his route-running and getting separation from DBs, he'd be a FANTASTIC player." Let's see it happen first. |
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As a prospect, Dysert's ceiling is much higher. |
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I agree on waiting to see what happens and am not in favor of using draft picks to get him (unless you could get him by swapping 2nds or something like that) as the Chiefs just have too many needs. In this draft, those 2nds and 3rds are going to be pretty important. |
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No one has anyway of knowing that. |
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He did very well in a system that was very QB-friendly. He's limited physically for a spread QB. I'd say Flacco is a fair comparison, although I'm not sure his upside is Flacco NOW (Super Bowl winner and all). |
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Foles was a guy that seemed "maxed" coming out of college. He is what he is. |
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I see Bledsoe more than Flacco. |
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I do find it rather amazing that the same arguments being used to JUSTIFY trading picks for Foles are being used AGAINST drafting Geno Smith at #1 overall.
Apparently, being a highly-accurate QB in a 1-read offense is okay as long as you are somebody else's castoff... |
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Dysert is being talked about as a quality back up. |
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As Foles should be. |
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Time will tell who's right. |
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I just don't see the logic in spending draft picks on the guy unless you're bringing him in to be THE starter. And at that point, I have to be asking myself "WHY"? I just can't think of a good reason to bring Foles here when we're sitting on the #1 overall pick. Draft a backup in the 3rd this year. |
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So it's OK to draft a QB at #65...but don't trade that pick for Foles! :spock: |
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Draft your backup/development guy next year. |
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That works too. |
For my part at least, I have two scenarios in which Foles makes sense.
1)Reid loves the kid and thinks he's got 'it'. He doesn't feel like there's anyone in the draft that's any better and he's already got one year of tutelage with Foles, so it's a head start. You trade 1sts and get a 2nd/or give up a 3rd/whatever for the kid and don't look back. This is a Brett Favre to Green Bay scenario, not a Matt Cassel 2.0 scenario. 2)Reid likes the kid, thinks he's got potential but wants to stack the position, so he trades for him AND drafts the best QB available at the Chiefs highest pick. Depending on what you have to give up, that could be as high as #4 (a swap of firsts) or a 2nd. So it could still be Geno Smith/Wilson/Barkley/or Nassib/Dysert. If this happens, I think Reid's intention would be to have an open competition, best man wins. This is a less risky Seattle 2012 scenario. And again, I still think drafting Geno and signing a crafty old vet is my preference. It IS possible, however, that Reid thinks a Nassib or the like is just as likely to work out for him as Geno/Wilson/Barkley (Ryan's numbers are good, he's got a gun for an arm and high intangibles). It's all just speculation, anyway. |
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Heck, they were already talking on ESPN this morning that the curve ball behind all of this might be that the only reason the Eagles kept Vick was to trade HIM! |
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Even if they take a QB 1 and spend a 3 on a trade for Foles, a new guy instead would only be a year younger potentially. Coaches are creatures of habit so they like to go with what they know and what got them there. Hence, taking all the same coaches with them and the same players. |
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My interest in the Chiefs will plummet to zero. |
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If Foles busts, you have no contingency plan. |
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Foles was drafted by Andy Reid already and has a year of experience in his system and a half a year of playing experience, too. I'd have no problem sending them a 4th and a late rounder for him if he is even available and Reid thinks its worth it. In this league, you NEED 2 qbs. |
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Everything I'm seeing is SECOND or THIRD. |
Look, if they want to trade a 6th for Foles, I'm all for it. But we all know that's not a realistic scenario.
This isn't Madden. |
Redskins used a 4th on their backup.
We would use our high 2nd or 3rd? For a guy that WAS a 4th rounder? Idiocy. |
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If Reid wants Foles as competition/backup ...I'd have no problem sending our top pick in the third for him.
We need to get this QB situation FIXED...as I said, if it takes our first overall AND our third rounder to fix our quarterback position, so be it. IMO, we should just sign a solid vet and draft Geno...go to camp with Stanzi, Geno and a vet...but I wouldn't be pissed if all three of our quarterbacks were young and talented. Andy Reid has shown the ability to take kids with talent and get them to play well or trade themfor premium picks AND players. |
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cassel winston tj and maybe dorsey |
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A guy like Foles is going to cost more than he's worth - see Matt Flynn. |
3rd round picks don't win Super Bowls. Draft one in the first.
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Re-sign Bowe, Colquit, Dorsey and Albert. Try bringing Tyson Jackson back on a 1 year deal.
Sign Wilson, Canty, a vet QB and Barnett in free agency Draft Geno in the first, a starting corner in the second and a good defensive linemen in the third. |
You would think that a guy named Foles would be a good fit for the Colts.
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Flynn was a 7th rounder. Question: we have all this trust in Andy Reid, right? Well,Andy Reid thought it was good enough value in the third to take Foles, even though he had just given Vick a 100 million dollar contract. I'm not saying they SHOULD trade for him, just that I wouldn't be pissed if they did. |
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I'm not suggesting I'll be pissed if they bring in Foles (unless they give up a high pick for him, which is just a ****ing waste) but it's certainly going to shake my confidence in Reid a bit. It just reeks of one of those moves coaches make to be comfortable and safe. In the end, I just don't see any reason to bring him in. There are a myriad of better options out there. Literally. No reason. |
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1) Andy Reid liked him enough to draft him in the third round, even though he had just committed to Vick with a 100 million dollars. 2) he just turned 24 and has the tools. 3) experience in the exact system we run and the skill set to run it. ...... Lets not act like Foles looked like trash....he played well for a rookie. |
I've heard rumors it could take a 4th to get him...i'd be up for that probably
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1) The Eagles should dump him after his rookie season, thus making him "trash" by definition and 2) The Chiefs would bring him in to be a backup, thus making him "trash" by definition. There's 2 distinct thought processes going on in this thread and they're not gelling. Yes, Foles is a talent. He's NOT COMING HERE for a 5th-round pick and he's NOT COMING HERE to compete with a rookie. All of the things you said about him above are absolutely true. Which is why the idea of getting him AND Geno will NEVER come to fruition. Ever. |
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He could absolutely come here for #65 and be the backup. I doubt anyone is going to give a higher pick for him, because he hasn't shown he's worth it at this point. This isn't an Alex Smith "start me or die" situation. |
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If he hasn't shown he's worth it, why are we giving up picks for him? Or if he IS worth it, why are the Eagles shipping him out? Face it, no matter how you slice it, there are a DOZEN or more better options out there. |
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Foles and a Rookie is my favorite scenario. Don't want old Hasselbeck for one year, don't want QBs proven to be nothing but backups. Foles and a rookie would be two QBs with promise. |
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We need 1 starter and 1 backup. People are obsessed with hedging their bets. |
I really don't see how anyone can think this guy is AWESOME whilst bash Geno.
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Let's bring in 14 guys and let them battle it out! |
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