Because he grabbed her by the back of her neck, you raging dipshit.

He assaulted her.

I think grabbed is a strong characterization. The account I read had him coming up to the girl after a show and throwing his arm around her and saying he was gonna **** her. Typical drunk frat boy behavior.

As far as the rest of them, yes he abused his power, but lets not confuse this behavior with that of weinstein or Moore or cosby. They were not physically assaulted, drugged, or held captive.

Kentucky's Coach John Calipari grabbed the gals arm during the interview while talking to her, throw the book at him! Any touching of any kind, even if conversation is assault brotha.

Pretty soon it will be like Demolition Man. No physical contact at all, no shaking hands, get fined when you say the F word.

I just find it odd they include that, within all of the other stuff. I read the other stuff and I was like wtf he's beating off keeping them in a hotel room making them watch. Then I see the he told some women he was going to **** her while he touched her neck at a comedy show and I was confused why it was even there. Stick to the crazy stuff about him, you know?

Not sure I can quite say this right but I'll give it a shot.

So Louis CK is weird; I don't think that's at issue. And I think we are all pretty much in agreement that using his influence to on people to effectively force them to indulge them in his deviant behavior crosses the line from weird to abhorrent. So what we're really going to damn him for is not being weird, but rather for abusing his status to force people into effectively participating in his deviancy.

Anyone that has ascended professionally has had a moment where they went from 'of the group' to 'above the group'. And virtually everyone that has that moment realized it happened WELL after it did. There's generally a tipping point where you look around and think to yourself "holy shit; people not only care what I have to say, they'll pretty much make it happen without questioning..."

Now for most of us, that has nothing to do with your creepy sexual proclivities. You say something harsh and it ****s up someone's day. A week later you realize 'damn; I didn't have any idea I could do that..." and you feel bad about it. You tell a tech guy that you need to get work done so he doesn't do some updates that dick up your office for a week because suddenly when you say "i need X" the person you say it to doesn't say "but what about Y?", they just capitulate because you're now a person that gets listened to. You realize that and now you're the person that has to ask yourself "but what about Y?" because nobody is going to do it anymore. You have to be your own devil's advocate at that point and you recalibrate your behavior accordingly.

It appears that a LOT of what CK did was, what, 10 years or so ago? 15? I haven't stayed up to date of late, but most of this was right around that time that he was still becoming famous rather than after he became a worldwide megastar. Isn't there at least some possibility that what we're looking at here is a person that simply had no idea that he'd become 'above the group' at that point? This is probably the same kind of weird shit he'd been doing for years and just got blown out of the water for. If he became an influential figure before he really realized he wielded that kind of power, his behavior is still weird as **** but isn't it less predatory? And wouldn't that also explain why it tapered off as his position in the comedy world became pretty damn apparent?

Eh, I dunno...just trying to look at it from another angle. If it turns out he was still slinging his dick at girls 4-5 years ago, there's probably nothing to that thought. But it would seem like even as long ago as 2010, he realized he'd been a complete ****head in the early 2000s.

It isn't an excuse as much as it's a possible explanation. And even if it were accurate - it would come off as tone-deaf as ****; he could never say "gee, I didn't realize that people now felt compelled to stare at my dick; I just thought I was on a hot streak..." because facially it does come off as really silly. But I do think there could be a kernel of truth there because it is something that happens. It's just that 99% of us aren't sexual deviants so it manifests itself differently.

This is where parents come in handy. I'm not talking about "parenting" but actually discussing adult matters with your parents - you know, people you can trust.

I didn't ever expect to be running a division or becoming an exec at Paramount Pictures but it happened. Fortunately, my Dad's still around and as person that was president of multiple corporations, I could turn to him and ask how he'd handle a situation with an under-performing employee, what to say to employees that came to be for advice and how to manage being friends with superiors and people that worked for me, without giving preferential treatment.

Louie has been a force in the entertainment business since the early 90's, whether as a talented writer or producer. He held a lot of power in the industry, which only grew as his career as a stand-up comedian began to grow.

It's fairly apparent to me that he abused that power because he could. He didn't seek the advice of friends - as a matter of fact, he outright lied to his friends (Mark Maron in particular) about the "rumors" that had been circulating since 2002. He wasn't trying to be the best producer or writer that he could be in those circumstances.

He became a monster instead.

I can't even imagine how horrified and ashamed his daughters must be after these revelations.

I wonder if the sexual deviancy was always a part of his life or if the power that he held over employees and other comedians spawned said deviancy?

what about Al Franken now? If there are no more disclosures is he still a monster? Can you imagine the photos out there of comedians doing totally inappropriate things.

And a ****ing Bomb is getting to go off in the halls of Congress. I'd bet anything there are tons of stories waiting to be told of those old geezers doing something inappropriate with interns and other females.

I don't think what Al Franken did is anything close to Louis CK's actions.

It's not that I approve of what Al Franken did but kissing a woman is far different than forcing women to watch you jerk off.

Probably

ohhh I agree. Big difference between a stage kiss as part of the act for the troops and what happened backstage. Also between masturbation in front of people and child pedophiles.

I guess the point l was trying to make is that not everyone that's going to get swept up into this is going to be a "monster".

Btw, a women came forward today that says George H Bush grabbed her ass during a photo op in the Oval Office.

Was Franken in a position of power relative to the accuser at the time of the alleged incident?

Fuzzy line here. He was the headliner so he probably had some creative supervision role for the whole thing, but the bigger problem is that he designed the play from the get go. Maybe he's not a monster, but he is a disgusting pig. Ugh!! There is not enough mouthwash to make surprise asshole tongue palatable.

Attention comedians and writers: a show or a film or a tv show is not an open season to write in stuff you think would be fun to do to a woman you are working with that would otherwise be unprofessional. I am no prude when it comes to art so don't get me wrong, there is a place for those lines to be explored creatively, but not for gratification of the creator, exactly the side of the line on which this incident falls.

I spent a semester in Jefferson City and with that time, so went any aspirations I had for public office.

There were maybe 10 State Reps there I left respecting of the 163 in office (and dozens of whom I interacted with). That modicum of power in an area saturated with it led to pretty gross shit all across the board. Many of the people I was there with 15 years ago have ascended to the state Senate or even statewide office.

Politicians end up terrible people. And I'm not convinced they started that way; a couple of the guys I respected the hell out of ended up embroiled in shit a few years later. That environment is just so immersed in scuz that it's virtually impossible to walk away clean.

I can't imagine how rotten DC is.

when that damn breaks it's going to be tsunami on both sides of the aisle. Franken has been an advocate for women's rights his whole life. If he is guilty, many many more on both sides of the aisle I'm sure are guilty. We have known for 1,000's of years that power corrupts people. This is just the latest reminder of that truism.

Excellent post.

Yeah. I asked a friend of mine whose opinion I value if he thought anything would actually change in DC and his response was poignant, “nobody gets to that high of position without being crooked.”

I would anticipate that would extend past DC to include many other industries.

Are you commenting on your own MULT's post?

Don't go all cosmo-SBInfinity-AMDChief on us now.....:rolleyes:

You’re a ****ing idiot.

Mods confirm that it’s not a mult = ban for your stupid fat ass.

Deal?

You are one of the whiniest bitches I've ever seen on this site.

1. I'm not fat

2. I'm well above average with my I.Q.

3. I have a flat ass

4. You are the little pricksucking **** I always thought you were from what everyone said but I refused to believe it until you proved me wrong recently with all your crybaby cuck responses. 4321

You cry and moan about everything, you brag like a pompous douche about all your Hollywood connections and then you act all high and mighty when the place you live in the center of becomes the sexual harassment capital of America.

I will laugh at all the sexual harassment charges from now on.

Go suck Louis CK's sperm as he jerkoffs off in your face.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

By the way, you're really the judgmental **** you accused me of being! :rolleyes:

You’re ****ing completely full of shit.

You accuse me of a mult, which couldn’t be further from the truth.

You claimed to lose 100 pounds. By the pictures you’ve posted, you’re still a balding fat ****.

I haven’t had anything but comdemnation for ANY of these cases, yet your stupid ass politizes EVERYTHING.

Order a hooker because you can’t attract a real woman, turn on Golden Girls and go to bed at 8:30.

ROFL

You’re an obnoxious jackass.

Go **** yourself.

I’m not judging. You’re the one that’s admitted to being fat and ordering hookers.

That shit is on you, fat ****.

1. I ordered plenty of hookers because it was much cheaper than having a girlfriend or wife and I got to bang hundreds of hot younger women of all ethnicities. In my life I had plenty of hot free pussy as well.

2. Was fat, no longer am. I improved myself. Lost 70 pounds so far. Said my goal was 100 but then again you can't read.

3. You however were a douche, you are a douche and you'll always be a douche. You can't get rid of that at the gym.

4. I never ACCUSED you a being a mult, I asked you! You have poor reading comprehension like all the Cali cucks and soy boys. Cry and whine first, ask questions second if at all.

5. I spent a wonderful afternoon with a group of CP members two weeks ago here in Scottsdale for the Dallas game and not sure any of them would characterize me as obnoxious. I also spent time last XMas with GBlowfish and his wife in KC along with his family. Second time we met and he is a class act and gentleman and a good judge of character.

6. I politicize everything in DC because that's what we do......

7. At 54 years old I still have plenty of hair unlike you who shaves his pits, chest and your legs.

8. I like ****ing Golden Girls, I was an original Cougar Hunter in the late 70's early 80's

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Let me assure you, on behalf of all men who have had girlfriends and wives, that they are NOT more expensive than ordering hundreds of hookers.

I... really don't know what you're talking about.

Lmao

If they have been, es been pussy whipped or doesn’t know how to handle a woman (respectfully of course)

^
Ghetto man.

Lol we know you’re a racist and think I’m fully black.

Inbred, can’t dance, spoiled life, dumb enough to think kneeling is unpatriotic, etc

How is that ghetto? Am i missing something?

No one cares. Stop posting personal information, especially information as seedy as hiring hookers.
No, I just don't care. I doubt anyone else cares, either.

Riiiight. Because making a thread that was heretofore devoid of politics, isn't "douchey". Following me around like a lost puppy dog in an attempt to insult me isn't "douchey".

Apparently, you're unaware of the definition of this word.

No, you went a step further as suggested it, comparing me to another CP member in which you have a "problem".

The issue with that so-called "question" is that by suggesting such a thing, you've insulted the person that made the post, which was insightful and meaningful.

But your big, dumb sloppy ego had to shit all over it because you have an issue with me.

And for the record, I've never had a "mult". I'm a founding member here at Chiefsplanet and anyone familiar with my posts knows that I don't need an alter-ego to share my opinion, Dumbo.

Someone needs to buy you a dictionary because in no terms did I "cry and whine".

Idiot.

Who cares? Do you think that anyone gives a shit that you met a few CP members? What's the point of this statement?

No, that's what YOU do. No one in this thread talked politics. You're obsessed by politics and it's taken over your life, permeating every facet.

Okay, so now I don't have hair? What? And shaving my armpits, chest and legs? What the hell? Are you under some assumption that I'm a competitive body builder? And if I was (which I'm not), why would anyone view this as an insult?

How much did you pay them?

Crybaby? Please link us, turd.

Again, link us, you ****ing turd.

Otherwise, you're just proving that you're a blowhard.

Brag, huh? Link us, turd.

And again, I've NEVER defended ANYONE accused of sexual harassment.

You're a liar, turd.

That's very kind of you. I'm sure all of the victims will appreciate it.

Oh, this is soooooooo funny! You should be a comic!

You really have no idea what you are talking about.......you're clueless. ROFL

not a mult, and only insulted by the discounting of my comment as part of a ruse, but not by the association made.

I am also a “pompous Hollywood douche” but I can tell you no one is sorry assholes are getting ruined out here. I am proud as can be that my industry is taking steps to actually make change real. Nobody else is anywhere. You can’t really think the entertainment industry is the only place that assholes have run free and held sway over anyone who would object, do you? It is the very nature of hierarchical power structures.

I am also represented by a union that spoke up with the power of thousands and today one more asshole is facing the truth. He spends most of his time assholing around his non union shop where he is safer, but we got him anyway. If congressional interns and staffers had a union or if big businesses had more unions, maybe they’d be facing truth too. We are getting the mid level assholes too. They just don’t make the papers.

The next conversation I want to be having is how do we treat their work now? I’m not ready to throw out the results of a collaborative process. Hundreds of caring artists and craftsmen don’t deserve to be banished to the misconduct archive when they did nothing wrong. On the other hand, how do you not see the stains? What is fair?

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For a 54 year old man, your behavior is embarrassing.

And for someone that claims to work in tech, you can’t even properly link an image.

Good job. You’re a virtual superhero.

Thank you! :clap:

Yup. There are levels to morality.

Big difference between forcing a person to do something and forcing a person to see something. Both wrong - but big difference in severity.

And I still don't get why these two women hung out UNTIL HE FINISHED.

Um, why? Once he started undressing and pulling on it why didn't they leave?...

LMAO you actually went in and cut out the part where he called out your reeruned image linking skills.

The turtle pays attention...

Yet he still couldn't piece together a coherent sentence out of it.