To be fair, you say that about pretty much everybody.

It appears he does not take his craft seriously enough. He is still running the wrong routes or routes incorrectly.
He is an example of where they tried to reach for a position that they thought might be a need, Tyreek, but it was not. Again they saw that Tyreek learned and how good he has become. Hardman has not shown any of that same ability.

In what way is it the same, because I'm trying to find a way to make Taysom Hill look like more than a gadget player with his stats and I'm having an extremely hard time.

He's a WR/QB that has put up over the course of 53 games these stats:

Rec yds - 336
Rec tds - 7
Rush yds - 809
Rush tds - 11
Pass yds - 1047
Pass tds - 4
Pass ints - 3

Other than flukey TD numbers there isn't much to work with.

You ****ing people expect too much from a 2nd year WR who didn't even get an off-season going into his 2nd year. Whining because he's not Tyreek Hill is literally going to leave you disappointed, because there is only one of those in existence.

Posters bringing up how we should have drafted DK Metcalf in the other thread are pretty much brain dead. DK Metcalf would have stats comparable to Hardman's if he was on this team. Hell swap the two and Hardman would look like DK, because hed be on a team with an elite QB whose only weapon is Tyler ****ing Lockett. We'd have people whining that we should have drafted Hardman over DK.

You mean like...

Tanoh Kpassagnon
Breeland Speaks
Mecole Hardman

Better watch out for staylor26 & dlphg9 when criticizing these guys. I know that staylor26 likes the taste of Hardman's cum or Hardman gives a helluva reach around. I think dlphg9 has a hardon for Mecole's cock too.

They should just wait for him after his shift at McDonald's ends in a couple of years. He will fill their man pussies to the max.

I think Reid looks for his second speed receiver to have a certain type to him ie - Jeremy Maclin, Chris Conley, and now Mecole Hardman. Mecole seems like a guy who wants to be the number 1 receiver for a team but he clearly isn't. With Conley and Maclin, I always felt like they had a better understanding of what their role was with the team.

LMAO you really think that? Metcalf improved from his rookie year and became one of the better WRs in the league. Hardman got worse and if not for the jet sweeps and pitch passes Reid draws up he'd look even worse.

My definition of a gadget player is a player who doesn't fit in the natural flow of the offense. A player who the coach has to draw up plays for them specifically because otherwise they won't get open or won't do the right things when it comes to reading defenses and running correct routes. That's Hardman to a tee. If he could get open naturally and could be a reliable WR, he would have been in the starting lineup when Watkins got hurt and he wouldn't be just the jet sweeps, pitch guy.

But yeah sure. Hardman could be a 1300 yard 10 TD WR like Metcalf but the coaches just choose not to utilize him and they give more snaps and targets to Robinson and Watkins just for shits and giggles. Yeah keep telling yourself that.

No one in the Chiefs organization thought that MH would turn into Tyreek. Some franchises have never drafted a WR as good as Tyreek. Everyone wants to act like Mecole has Tyreek's speed, but it's not even close. Tyreek ran the 2nd fastest 200m race by a high schooler ever. He almost certainly would have been able to qualify for the Olympics.

Yet they drafted Mecole as a just in case when Reek was in trouble.

This just supports my opinion that spending a high draft pick on a WR when you already have to get the ball to Hill, Kelce, Hardman, and CEH, is not wise. Not enough balls to go around.

You think Metcalf is getting 100+ targets here like he is in Seattle? The situations that both players came into aren't even close. Mecole came into the league with Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, and Sammy Watkins ahead of him. Sure Sammy is injury prone like a mofo, but you can't deny he's talented as hell and the Chiefs made it clear that they believed he was a big time WR.

DK Metcalf was drafted onto a team that only had one other option, Tyler Lockett. The next best target is a TE who had a career year in 2019 with 349 yards.

To say Mecole didn't take a step forward is stupid as ****. He was 100% a gimmick player in 2019. He had 6 TDs and 538 yards on 26 receptions. This is gimmicky:

Scoring a TD nearly 25% of your receptions
20.7 yards per catch (Tyreek Hill's best ypc in a season is 17.0 and in that year he only scored on 14% of his catches)

Mecole increased his

Targets - 34%
Receptions - 37%
Catch rate - 3%
Yards - 4%

It just doesn't seem like he improved because his yards didn't take a dramatic increase and his TDs went down. That's due to him not just running down the field and catching bombs for TDs. He was gimmicky in 2019, the numbers prove that. 2020 numbers show an improvement.

I'm not an expert at watching WRs run routes and I'm not going to pretend to know more about something than I do. So, what I will do is look at and compare stats because I can tell something from those.

If someone wants to show me how he's declined or not progressed I'd be open to it. Lots of people on here like to act like they know a lot more than they do.

No I don't think Metcalf would get all those receptions. What I do know is that he would start and be great when Watkins went down. I do know that when teams double Kelce and Hill, he'd be a great 3rd option. What I do know is that he'd take a lot of snaps and targets and receptions away from Robinson. Seriously, Robinson had more targets and receptions than Hardman. If not for the pitch plays which I will say Hardman is really good for, robinson might have had more yards and the same number of touchdowns.

And I don't know how you don't think Hardman was better in 2019. His efficiency was nuts that year. He had basically the same number of yards and less touchdowns despite 20 more targets and receptions this year. That's not an upgrade.

I can't believe you think Hardman would be capable of 1300 yards 10 TDs and yet the coaches give more snaps to Robinson. Lol what sense does that make?

People keep saying this, but I'm pretty sure the organization knew that Hill would be fine. They had all the info available and did there own investigation. The Chiefs have shown they want to give Mahomes weapons. They knew they had big contracts coming up, Sammy and Demarcus weren't expected to stay around, and they didn't want to be caught with their pants down. Mecole was drafted because they wanted to keep supplying Mahomes with weapons. They weren't going to replace Hill with a rookie that had 500 yards receiving his last year in college, because he was fast.

This offense runs at peak when there is a good #2 WR and a good OL.

Imo Hardman wouldn’t even be in the league if he just had average speed.

Besides being fast, what else does he excel at?

I am still holding out hope for Pringle to open a can of.....
Cheetah likes him at that spot

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