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staylor26 07-21-2020 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15078155)
You think everyone who disagrees with you is a shit take.

Yeah, sorry, but when i put on the "film", he doesn't have the talent of some of these guys listed on here.

He gets production by being Rodgers #1 WR, but look at how often Rodgers has to make a great throw in tight coverage to make it happen.

You don't think guys like OBJ or Green could produce with Aaron Rodgers?
Seems like you think that I’m calling your take shit by proxy. I’m not.

Yours is reasonable. Calling him a high end 2 is not. I think he’s top 10, but at the very least he’s too 15 and a legitimate #1. You can give Rodgers all the credit you want, but anybody that’s watched that Packers offense with/without Adams knows he’s a legit #1 WR.

RunKC 07-21-2020 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15078155)
You think everyone who disagrees with you is a shit take.

Yeah, sorry, but when i put on the "film", he doesn't have the talent of some of these guys listed on here.

He gets production by being Rodgers #1 WR, but look at how often Rodgers has to make a great throw in tight coverage to make it happen.

You don't think guys like OBJ or Green could produce with Aaron Rodgers?
Bad take IMO. Adams is such a smooth route runner which makes him so good.

Remember Sammy burning Sherman in the 4th quarter of the SB? He admitted he watched Adams roast Sherman’s asshole 2 weeks prior and copied his same route.

ToxSocks 07-21-2020 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15078156)
I like it, actually. Doesn't seem unreasonable.
I'm watching Adams and trying to figure out what is that he does that the rest of these WR's can't do.

I can't name it. There's no part of his game that jumps out to me.

It reminds me of the Edwards-Helaire vs Swift conversations.

Helaire demonstrated some elite traits that popped off the screen. Swift, a good player, but no elite traits. That's how i see Adams as well.

staylor26 07-21-2020 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15078167)
I'm watching Adams and trying to figure out what is that he does that the rest of these WR's can't do.

I can't name it. There's no part of his game that jumps out to me.

It reminds me of the Edwards-Helaire vs Swift conversations.

Helaire demonstrated some elite traits that popped off the screen. Swift, a good player, but no elite traits. That's how i see Adams as well.
Adams is a great route runner with great hands and he’s really ****ing good after the catch.

I didn’t think your take that CEH was better was unreasonable. I thought your take specifically on Swift was. There’s a difference. I even said before all of that that CEH was the best fit for the Chiefs.

If you were arguing that Adams in the top 5 or so made him overrated, I’d agree. But he’s too 15 at the very least and I find it very hard not to put him in the top 10.

big nasty kcnut 07-21-2020 12:54 PM
Well yeah!

ToxSocks 07-21-2020 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15078166)
Bad take IMO. Adams is such a smooth route runner which makes him so good.

Remember Sammy burning Sherman in the 4th quarter of the SB? He admitted he watched Adams roast Sherman’s asshole 2 weeks prior and copied his same route.
That's fine and all. But looking at the rest of the players on the list you'll need to make a case as to why Adams should be higher than them. AJ Green you can make a case due to injuries, but assuming he's healthy again, he's still a size/speed freak. Cooper i've never liked so no argument there.

Sutton, for example though, is far better after the catch than Adams is. It's not even close.

Buehler445 07-21-2020 12:55 PM
Yeah. He’s ****ing good. Full stop.

There are other good guys in the league but Reek is my guy.

ToxSocks 07-21-2020 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15078170)
Adams is a great route runner with great hands and he’s really ****ing good after the catch.

I didn’t think your take that CEH being better was unreasonable. I thought your take specifically on Swift was. There’s a difference. I even said before all of that that CEH was the best fit for the Chiefs.

If you were arguing that Adams in the top 5 or so made him overrated, I’d agree. But he’s too 15 at the very least and I find it very hard not to put him in the top 10.
Sutton is better after the catch.

And Chris Simms mentioned Adams barely not making the top 10 if that makes Adams fans feel better. He has him in the 11-15 range.

Mecca 07-21-2020 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15078167)
I'm watching Adams and trying to figure out what is that he does that the rest of these WR's can't do.

I can't name it. There's no part of his game that jumps out to me.

It reminds me of the Edwards-Helaire vs Swift conversations.

Helaire demonstrated some elite traits that popped off the screen. Swift, a good player, but no elite traits. That's how i see Adams as well.
He plays with Rodgers, he's not an elite talent guy but I mean I can make the argument he is hurt a bit in the sense that he's the only weapon they have.

DRM08 07-21-2020 12:58 PM
Tyreek impacts the game more than any other receiver. Speed kills. He opens up the rest of the field for Kelce, Watkins, the RBs in the flats, etc.

staylor26 07-21-2020 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15078176)
That's fine and all. But looking at the rest of the players on the list you'll need to make a case as to why Adams should be higher than them. AJ Green you can make a case due to injuries, but assuming he's healthy again, he's still a size/speed freak. Cooper i've never liked so no argument there.

Sutton, for example though, is far better after the catch than Adams is. It's not even close.
“Far better”? No, sorry I’ve watched both players and that’s bullshit.

Sutton’s YAC 2019:

339 yards.

Adams YAC 2019:

396 yards

Adams also had more yards after the catch in 2018. The stats aren’t the whole story, but in no way is he “far better”.

Mecca 07-21-2020 12:58 PM
Also OBJ put up 1000 last year basically being injured the entire season and winging it in a shitty offense.

ToxSocks 07-21-2020 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15078188)
“Far better”? No, sorry I’ve watched both players and that’s bullshit.

Sutton’s YAC 2019:

339 yards.

Adams YAC 2019:

396 yards

Adams also had more yards after the catch in 2018. The stats aren’t the whole story, but in no way is he “far better”.
Yes, far better. You're doing the stats thing again that you said didn't do. There's no way you can put on both player's '19 highlights and tell me Adams was harder to bring down. There's no way.

staylor26 07-21-2020 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15078199)
Yes, far better. You're doing the stats thing again that you said didn't do. There's no way you can put on both player's '19 highlights and tell me Adams was harder to bring down. There's no way.
The stats are just a perfect example that your take is hyperbole. How else am I supposed to tangibly show that? Adams has consistently been one of the best WR’s after the catch since he’s been in the league. Sutton being huge and harder to bring down doesn’t make him “far better” like you seem to think it does.

eDave 07-21-2020 01:11 PM
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