Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17344493)

Yeah - Fiske ain't a first rounder. In part for the reasons he 'might be available for us in the 1st' in the OP.

I do think we'd probably have to take him in the 2nd if we wanted him. Or engineer a trade-up in the 3rd. But I don't think we have the draft capital for that sort of thing.

Was it Dane Brugler that had us taking Newton out of Illinois? Because I could see a scenario where I'm on board with that. The draft has the possibility of going like it did last year when there really just was a big ol' pile of equal talent sitting there - none of it really 1st round caliber.

In that case, Newton could very easily be the best raw talent on the board. And there's almost certainly going to be a need there. Feels like he could easily be Ed Oliver here.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17404249)

I feel like I'm warming to Fiske in the 2nd.

I could talk myself into OT in the first, Fiske in the 2nd, WR in the 3rd (though we're probably past the pocket of immediate contributors at WR at the back of the 3rd so I may have to pivot to TE or IOL here).

That said, I don't think he's on Veach's radar in the 2nd. I just don't see him taking a 24 yr old prospect that early.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17423134)

The real question is, do I care how fast a DT ran at the Underwear Olympics? No, not really. It's flashy, it's nice. What I care about though is if he beats guys on tape because he sure as **** isn't running a 40 against the fatass across from him is he? Fiske's worst trait is what will get him punished in the NFL, and that's immediately exposing his chest to the offensive lineman. He has everything else you want though, quickness off the ball, closing burst, decent hand usage (needs improvement too) if he can figure that component out.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17423134)

The real question is, do I care how fast a DT ran at the Underwear Olympics? No, not really. It's flashy, it's nice. What I care about though is if he beats guys on tape because he sure as **** isn't running a 40 against the fatass across from him is he? Fiske's worst trait is what will get him punished in the NFL, and that's immediately exposing his chest to the offensive lineman. He has everything else you want though, quickness off the ball, closing burst, decent hand usage (needs improvement too) if he can figure that component out.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17423166)

I'll say this - Chris Jones torched my ass for a take substantially similar to this coming into the draft.

I thought he played with his pads too high. A TON. He was always coming upright out of his stance and I thought that would kill him at the next level.

It...did not.

So these days I'm a little wary about seeing a DT w/ a good motor and good measurables who has iffy technique and saying "Eh, can't translate at the next level..."

Because that's how we ended up getting a HoF caliber player in the mid 2nd.

(Then again "I can fix him!" has gotten as many coaches/executives fired as it's gotten girlfriends beaten up. So there's also that to consider)

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17423282)

Oh, I'm absolutely not saying Fiske won't translate. He's going to be a good player IMO but he has one major flaw to clean up. Chris Jones did that with hand usage. His two-arm club over is a thing of absolute beauty. Fiske could be great once he learns to use his hands like Chris, even if he never fixes putting his chest in their wheelhouse. Now if he didn't have the athleticism, it would definitely be a bigger issue than just using his hands. So really, I want to know how coachable Fiske is and how well he learns, those are the questions I want. You could see the athleticism on tape, we didn't need underwear to prove it.