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htismaqe 01-29-2019 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14078418)
That’s not a bad thought dj

But say one of those offensive guys is there at our pick. Say, Noah Fant.

Would you take him?

If Fant were there, I think you'd have to consider it. He has the potential to be great. There's really no gaps in his game. He's long, runs good routes, blocks well, he's a prototypical TE.

That being said, I really want a DB in the first. Adderley is my pick but I like Baker a lot too.

htismaqe 01-29-2019 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14079123)
Don't we already have that thread somewhere? Yeah, I'd consider an offensive pick but it would have to be a particularly bare board for me to do it.

Regarding Fant specifically, I'm not sure he's even my favorite TE from Iowa this year. Hockenson has a higher ceiling, IMO. Fant may be more likely to become a Kelce sort of player; mostly a gigantic WR, but Hockenson could end up being a far better in-line TE and thus a way better fit with Kelce already in the fold.

It's funny how fast the top end of the TE class developed in this draft. Smith, Fant and Hockenson are all guys who could easily be 1st round picks. Albert O staying at Mizzou another year suddenly makes a lot more sense to me coming off his injury (and had he not gotten hurt, I think there would've been 4 legit potential 1st round TEs in this class).

Hockenson just doesn't have the overall pedigree, particularly measurables, that Fant has. Hockenson is a dynamic player but he's more of an H-back. Fant has the ability to be Travis Kelce.

For this team, Hockenson might make more sense as a complimentary piece but if you want a complete, top-tier tight end for the next 10 years, one that can do everything well, that guy is Noah Fant IMO.

O.city 01-29-2019 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14079407)
If Fant were there, I think you'd have to consider it. He has the potential to be great. There's really no gaps in his game. He's long, runs good routes, blocks well, he's a prototypical TE.

That being said, I really want a DB in the first. Adderley is my pick but I like Baker a lot too.

I'm at the point where I don't really care who it is, as long as it's a good player and not some crazy project.

Ideally it's a CB or a LB'er or safety. But if some top of the line prospect falls because other teams are stupid, pounce on him.

htismaqe 01-29-2019 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14079416)
I'm at the point where I don't really care who it is, as long as it's a good player and not some crazy project.

Ideally it's a CB or a LB'er or safety. But if some top of the line prospect falls because other teams are stupid, pounce on him.

I don't really want to see them take an ILB early. And definitely not on board with spending high picks on offensive line or RB.

Other than that, I'm down for about anything. Would could use DL, DE, LB, S, CB, WR, TE in about any combination.

O.city 01-29-2019 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14079421)
I don't really want to see them take an ILB early. And definitely not on board with spending high picks on offensive line or RB.

Other than that, I'm down for about anything. Would could use DL, DE, LB, S, CB, WR, TE in about any combination.

I'd be good with an ILB because I think that's the premium spot on defenses these days in order for the d to be good.

htismaqe 01-29-2019 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14079450)
I'd be good with an ILB because I think that's the premium spot on defenses these days in order for the d to be good.

They have a pretty big cap hit wrapped up in Hitchens though and I think he plays inside.

O.city 01-29-2019 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14079464)
They have a pretty big cap hit wrapped up in Hitchens though and I think he plays inside.

Maybe

But I'd prefer to see him and DOD outside with a draft pick inside.

htismaqe 01-29-2019 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14079472)
Maybe

But I'd prefer to see him and DOD outside with a draft pick inside.

Hitchens played outside in college for most of his snaps. MLB was his fill-in, even in Dallas.

O.city 01-29-2019 12:50 PM

Yeah, I just don't know about having him inside. I'd prefer him outside but with that him and DOD are a bit redundant so they're probably putting Hitch inside.

DJ's left nut 01-29-2019 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14079415)
Hockenson just doesn't have the overall pedigree, particularly measurables, that Fant has. Hockenson is a dynamic player but he's more of an H-back. Fant has the ability to be Travis Kelce.

For this team, Hockenson might make more sense as a complimentary piece but if you want a complete, top-tier tight end for the next 10 years, one that can do everything well, that guy is Noah Fant IMO.

See I view Fant as more of the H-back type and Hockenson as a far better long-term blocker and in-line player.

I'd take Irv Smith over either of them though...

RunKC 01-29-2019 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14078418)
That’s not a bad thought dj

But say one of those offensive guys is there at our pick. Say, Noah Fant.

Would you take him?

I watched the AFCCG again and I really think if we had Kareem Hunt, we would have scored in the first half. Patriots didn’t care about our rushing attack bc it want good. I like Damien Williams, but he’s best suited as a 3rd down back.

Think we all agree that the focus is helping our pieces around Mahomes. I think those pieces should revolve around stopping the run and running the ball.

Doubtful it happens, but I would definitely consider Josh Jacobs at 29 assuming that the board is bare bc all of the defensive players we want are gone.

O.city 01-29-2019 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14079834)
I watched the AFCCG again and I really think if we had Kareem Hunt, we would have scored in the first half. Patriots didn’t care about our rushing attack bc it want good. I like Damien Williams, but he’s best suited as a 3rd down back.

Think we all agree that the focus is helping our pieces around Mahomes. I think those pieces should revolve around stopping the run and running the ball.

Doubtful it happens, but I would definitely consider Josh Jacobs at 29 assuming that the board is bare bc all of the defensive players we want are gone.

I wouldn't take him there even if everyone was gone. It's just not valuable enough.

I think Williams is a good RB option, screen game, etc. But he's not really a tackle breaking dude like Hunt was. They need that.

htismaqe 01-29-2019 04:19 PM

We have other slammer possibilities named Williams already on the roster. If they spend a high draft pick on a RB, that's just dumb. This team has needs at every level of the defense, WR, and offensive line before they should even think about another RB. They're a dime a dozen.

O.city 01-29-2019 04:28 PM

Yeah, if you want to take one in the 3rd or something, have at it. It's just not worth that high of a pick I don't think.

It seems teams take one high thinking he's the last piece but it just allows other holes to open up.

DJ's left nut 01-29-2019 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14079971)
Yeah, if you want to take one in the 3rd or something, have at it. It's just not worth that high of a pick I don't think.

It seems teams take one high thinking he's the last piece but it just allows other holes to open up.

RB is exactly the kind of position you target a little later at this point since the position has become devalued.

I mean if Saquon or his ilk falls then you're looking at a guy who's such a screaming bargain that you take him. But even when RBs were considered high-end commodities, a player like Jacobs wouldn't go more than a few picks higher than he's likely going to go now. Maybe he goes in the high teens/early 20s if this draft were done 15 years ago?

Taking him a few picks after where he'd go at 'peak value' isn't a significant enough adjustment, IMO. Maybe I'm just wrong on his value - maybe he's a top 5-10 guy when RBs were still as highly sought after and that the only reason he'd fall to us in the late 20s would be the market adjusting so we should take him to try to stay ahead of the market. But what I see there is an upright runner with above average but not elite speed and solid but unspectacular lateral agility. His hands are...fine, his acceleration is good but not great. He's a very well rounded big back and those are nice guys to have but on this team at this time I just can't see a desperate need for that skill set. Honestly...I kinda see Fournette in him and that's just not been a recipe for success of late.

I just don't think he alters the team's trajectory significantly.


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