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O.city 02-22-2015 04:59 PM

If last year's wr class was a 10, this year's is a solid 9, if not better

DaneMcCloud 02-22-2015 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 11342146)
They sure do. I think Dee Ford will end up being a decent starter, but holy **** were they nuts for not taking a WR or some pass-blockers for a pass happy offense.

Are there any 3-4 pass rusher's in this years draft comparable to Dee Ford at Auburn? IMO, that's the reason he was taken in 2014 - It's hard to pass on pass rushers.

As long as the Chiefs come away with two WR's in this draft, I'll be happy. If not, it had better be because they drafted Williams or a Clive Walford.

They desperately need two more reliable targets.

The Franchise 02-22-2015 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11342376)
Are there any 3-4 pass rusher's in this years draft comparable to Dee Ford at Auburn? IMO, that's the reason he was taken in 2014 - It's hard to pass on pass rushers.

As long as the Chiefs come away with two WR's in this draft, I'll be happy. If not, it had better be because they drafted Williams or a Clive Walford.

They desperately need two more reliable targets.

Vic Beasely. Not sure we'd have a shot at him though.

Discuss Thrower 02-22-2015 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11342376)
Are there any 3-4 pass rusher's in this years draft comparable to Dee Ford at Auburn? IMO, that's the reason he was taken in 2014 - It's hard to pass on pass rushers.

As long as the Chiefs come away with two WR's in this draft, I'll be happy. If not, it had better be because they drafted Williams or a Clive Walford.

They desperately need two more reliable targets.

Sacc's high on Orchard.. There's also Vic Beasley.

O.city 02-22-2015 07:40 PM

Dunno if Gregory could hold up at OLB.

Titty Meat 02-22-2015 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11342393)
Dunno if Gregory could hold up at OLB.

He absolutely can.

O.city 02-22-2015 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Billay (Post 11342456)
He absolutely can.

Seemed pretty light in the trousers

Saccopoo 02-22-2015 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11342387)
Sacc's high on Orchard.. There's also Vic Beasley.

They will never see Beasley, especially after the combine he just had.

Sacks translate to the next level.

Orchard has a variety of pass rush moves and translates speed to power very effectively. He pursues well and he's effective in dropping back into coverage as well as supporting the run. He follows the ball and play exceptionally well.

He's not a complete physical freak like Beasley, but he's more pro ready and has a better skill set.

He has gone up against some pretty good tackles this year including Andrus Peat, Ty Sambrailo and Jake Fisher and worked them.

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At defensive end, Orchard was surprisingly stout despite giving up nearly 100 pounds to his opponents, but really shined trying to turn the corner while using his speed to create an advantage while standing up as a linebacker.

saphojunkie 02-22-2015 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 11341071)
Could it be because White is superior at everything except route running, which he can improve on with better coaching? That's why Mayock has White as his #1 over Cooper, higher ceiling and the fact that he can physically dominate an opponent, something that Cooper's size doesn't allow him to do.

Well, hold on. Kevin White had me saying holy hot ****, but watching him and then watching Amari Cooper - I'd be hard pressed to pass on Cooper. He isn't an athlete, he isn't a football player, he's a wide receiver. He's perfect for the position. Guy is just a total natural.

Having said that, flip a coin and call it a day.

MahiMike 02-25-2015 09:52 AM

WR's
 
Comparing the combine results and rankings of all these guys, here's what stood out to me:

1st Rounders

DeVante Parker - Grade 6.18 - Strengths Consistently plays with outstanding body control. Soft hands and elite concentration are his calling cards. Credited with just three drops since 2012

Best pick at 1.18

Amari Cooper - Grade 7.0 - Only WR with 10" hands. This guy tore up the SEC. One recent mock had him going 10th to the Rams. If he's still there, I say we jump up and get him.

2nd rounders:

Chris Conley - Grade 5.48 - 9 7/8" hands. Tall receiver lacking blazing speed but showcasing enough acceleration to create separation when challenging upfield.

Jaelen Strong - Grade 5.8 - 9" hands. Good combination of height, weight and arm length for the position. Former high school basketball player who knows how to keep defenders on his hip.

Unknown

DGB - Grade 5.68 - 9" hands. "I think the consistent problems for Josh Gordon are going to leak over and hurt his draft stock. He couldn't keep himself out of trouble, had no structure growing up and didn't take coaching at Missouri. He's tall and fast and has good hands, but he can't be trusted. Why would you take a guy like that before the third day?" -- NFC director of personnel

MahiMike 02-25-2015 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10948913)
How pissed would you guys be if we passed on Cooper and took a DL/OL/OLB player instead?

Very. I hope the Kevin White hype continues and Cooper falls to 10. We could jump up that high and get the next Marvin Harrison.

OldSchool 02-25-2015 10:12 AM

Cooper may have 10" hands but he isn't as consistent of a pass catcher as White or Parker are. He's had more ugly drops than he should for a top WR prospect. He also isn't nearly as good at making contested catches as those other two are.

saphojunkie 02-25-2015 11:48 AM

We didn't trade up for Brandin Cooks or Odell Beckham. Why on earth would anyone assume Dorsey is going to trade up for White or Cooper?

If anything, this is the draft to trade down in the first and still pick up the same guy.

Go from 18 to around 23-25, and you can still get a right tackle or first round talent WR.

Pick up an extra pick in the third, which is apparently the only place we know how to draft anyway (apologies to Russell Wilson).

The Franchise 02-25-2015 11:57 AM

I'm starting to think that we'll probably draft a couple of WRs in the 2nd to 5th round range.

Jakemall 02-25-2015 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 11346833)
We didn't trade up for Brandin Cooks or Odell Beckham. Why on earth would anyone assume Dorsey is going to trade up for White or Cooper?

If anything, this is the draft to trade down in the first and still pick up the same guy.

Go from 18 to around 23-25, and you can still get a right tackle or first round talent WR.

Pick up an extra pick in the third, which is apparently the only place we know how to draft anyway (apologies to Russell Wilson).

I'm almost always in favor of trading down.


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