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Easy 6 08-18-2018 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13681062)
It's so arbitrary that I worry that it'll only be called when the Patriots don't convert a third down, or when the Steelers' opponent does.

Thats the real problem isnt it... will it be just another tool to screw non-glamour boy teams with

Easy 6 08-18-2018 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13681181)
And that wasn’t just anyone that Speaks overpowered and threw aside. That was Jake Matthews, who is the 3rd highest paid LT in football LMAO

He’s definitely flashing

It really was outstanding, he is one big powerful kid

Everyone is pretty down on the defense, but holding them to 3.3 ypc bodes well

Halfcan 08-18-2018 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13681170)
Man was I wrong about that guy.

What he did last year against the Titans in the preseason game was even more impressive anything Niemann has done, but he’s been shit since. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if he’s the odd man out because they love Smith for ST’s.

Did he lead the team in tackle the first preseason game and then have a Pick 6 and more tackles in Game 2?

Niemann has, plus he has not missed any tackles. No way Niemann gets cut over those guys. The kid has it!

staylor26 08-18-2018 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 13681200)
Did he lead the team in tackle the first preseason game and then have a Pick 6 and more tackles in Game 2?

Niemann has, plus he has not missed any tackles. No way Niemann gets cut over those guys. The kid has it!

Eligwe is a different kind of athlete. I’m not talking production. I’m talking the talent/upside he flashed. It wasn’t meant to be a shot at Niemann at all.

TambaBerry 08-18-2018 03:06 PM

I saw only a few plays last night, but i saw one really good play by Ford where he held his man at arms length and made the tackle on a running back.

Buckweath 08-18-2018 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 13681204)
I saw only a few plays last night, but i saw one really good play by Ford where he held his man at arms length and made the tackle on a running back.

He did look good on a few plays but it's all about consistency. Overall he is definitly poor in rush defense.

As for the rush defense in general, I am not worried at all. Williams and Nnadi look like studs and Hitchens and Ragland, regardless of Berri, should make it a strong unit.

ThaVirus 08-18-2018 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13681181)
And that wasn’t just anyone that Speaks overpowered and threw aside. That was Jake Matthews, who is the 3rd highest paid LT in football LMAO

He’s definitely flashing

Is Speaks the guy Clay was railing on as a bust because he's.. husky?

I can't keep all of that guy's horrendous predictions in line. At this point, if Clay says something, the exact opposite comes true.

007 08-18-2018 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 13680682)
More like Schwartz not knowing how to line up properly.:shake:

JFC I'm not talking about one play. I'm talking about the plays after it.

Fish 08-18-2018 10:59 PM

Full Replay of the game:

<iframe width="1207" height="679" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ciFXWKsFY_o" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

oldman 08-19-2018 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13681169)
It might be more than that if Eligwe doesn’t stop sucking dick

I agree. I had high hopes for Eligwe last year, but I just don't think he gets it. I really like Niemann because he appears to be more NFL ready. One thing that may throw a monkey wrench into the ILB situation is O'Daniel. I know he's behind Hitchens and Smith, but his ability to take on that role Dirty Dan did last year may force us to carry 6 ILBs if you don't want to let go of either Niemann or Eligwe. Davison has shown some flash, but I think he may be destined for the PS.

TEX 08-19-2018 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 007 (Post 13681257)
JFC I'm not talking about one play. I'm talking about the plays after it.

"JFC," If you're gonna talk, you ought to also be talking about the play that took a TD away...:shrug:

ThaVirus 08-19-2018 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 13681757)
Full Replay of the game:

<iframe width="1207" height="679" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ciFXWKsFY_o" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Thanks again for posting. Once again, not as bad as the GDT led me to believe.

Problem with this defense is that too many of these guys are just not ready. We've got very few complete players. McQuay impresses me in run support, but is garbage in space. KPass flashes rushing the passer then literally trips over his own feet in coverage. Speaks is a wall, but rarely gets penetration.

On the bright side, the run defense looks like it'll be vastly improved, especially when all of the starters are in. Fuller is impressive.

Also, Amerson is absolute garbage. He'll be this year's Philip Gaines if he's forced into a starting role.. I still can't believe we traded Peters. This defense with Peters and Fuller could potentially have been a top 5 unit.

ThaVirus 08-19-2018 09:13 AM

Also, the defense is still giving up too many 3rd down conversions.

PmCakes 08-19-2018 09:26 AM

3rd and 4 play at the 9:54 mark in 1st quarter Patrick should have hit Kelce coming out of his break rather than throwing it short to Hill. The protection was definitely good enough to wait for the read. I think they will talk about this in the film room.

PmCakes 08-19-2018 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 13682009)
Also, the defense is still giving up too many 3rd down conversions.

Hopefully they leave it in pre-season.

ThaVirus 08-19-2018 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PmCakes (Post 13682023)
3rd and 4 play at the 9:54 mark in 1st quarter Patrick should have hit Kelce coming out of his break rather than throwing it short to Hill. The protection was definitely good enough to wait for the read. I think they will talk about this in the film room.

Initially I hated that play design. You've got too much happening in such a small area of the field with Watkins, Kelce and Hill all sitting or making breaks within yards of each other.

Perhaps against zone it would work great as a flooding concept, but against man it just creates a jumbled mess.

Marcellus 08-19-2018 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 13681005)
Niemann has looked great. I don't see how Dat makes the team- especially with Tremon looking good on returns. Conley has not done anything on film in two games now. Deiter, Kemp and Pringle have all looked good during camp from the reports.

West, Dat and Amerson should be cut. Better options.

Who are we replacing Amerson with?

RealSNR 08-19-2018 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 13682408)
Who are we replacing Amerson with?

Apparently Scandrick.

The Chiefs like Tremon Smith and Arrion Springs too much for them to get ousted. Fuller and Nelson are the starters. That leaves one spot. Only way Amerson stays aboard is if we keep 6 CBs

Buckweath 08-19-2018 01:59 PM

I just don't get how Veach went from trying real hard to sign Kyle Fuller to supposedly being interested in trading up for Mike Hughes in the draft to just settling for scraps.

I thought Amerson could be decent but he has not been good.

Hammock Parties 08-19-2018 02:26 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk_TsplVsAA66bd.jpg

O.city 08-19-2018 02:27 PM

Didn’t get to watch the game live, followed on here a bit

Per usual, it wasn’t as bad as it seemed here

Hammock Parties 08-19-2018 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13682488)
Didn’t get to watch the game live, followed on here a bit

Per usual, it wasn’t as bad as it seemed here

The defense was butt****ing awful, but I'm looking at it again now and I think mostly it's due to guys like Eligwe, Terrance Smith and Murray trying to play vs starters. They are all awful.

O.city 08-19-2018 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13682490)
The defense was butt****ing awful, but I'm looking at it again now and I think mostly it's due to guys like Eligwe, Terrance Smith and Murray trying to play vs starters. They are all awful.

They’re just not ready to be starters against that level of offense. As depth or whatever they’re not bad I guess.

Like the one long run, you’d like to think if that’s one of the starters at ILB it’s a 2 yard gain

Buckweath 08-19-2018 02:43 PM

Eligwe and Smith are not good but that Falcons offense is no joke, even though Jones and Freeman were not playing.

I am not worried for the rush defense. Just worried about that secondary.

RealSNR 08-19-2018 02:55 PM

I want to see close to our actual starting defense (with Ragland and Hitchens) against the Bears. I know this defense isn't good, but I want to see if we're a bottom feeder or if we're just a mediocre defense that gets outclassed by talented offensive squads. What do we look like when we have linebackers who DON'T constantly **** up like Eligwe and Smith do?

ThaVirus 08-19-2018 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13682490)
The defense was butt****ing awful, but I'm looking at it again now and I think mostly it's due to guys like Eligwe, Terrance Smith and Murray trying to play vs starters. They are all awful.

A lot of what we've seen appears to be fixable once the starters come in and we get Amerson off the field.

staylor26 08-19-2018 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13682490)
The defense was butt****ing awful, but I'm looking at it again now and I think mostly it's due to guys like Eligwe, Terrance Smith and Murray trying to play vs starters. They are all awful.

I agree with everything else, but I haven’t seen Murray make 1 mistake/bad play all preseason.

Hammock Parties 08-19-2018 03:18 PM

Savage rush:

https://i.imgur.com/tASxINT.gif

Kendall Fuller > Marcus Peters

https://i.imgur.com/V1qltpc.gif

Hammock Parties 08-19-2018 05:19 PM

LMAO

https://i.imgur.com/UUTbOHY.gif

Bowser 08-19-2018 05:21 PM

LMAO

Someone link that to his twitter feed, lol.

RunKC 08-19-2018 05:32 PM

I can’t tell the coverage on the Hooper play bc it’s not all 22 but it definitely looks like Murray

ROYC75 08-19-2018 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 13682522)
A lot of what we've seen appears to be fixable once the starters come in and we get Amerson off the field.

Great, in that case we better be doing some heavy praying that we don't have any starters go down with injuries or have to come out for a rest!

Hammock Parties 08-19-2018 05:36 PM

Holy shit man. This game was GIF gold.

https://i.imgur.com/PVrVIkl.gif

CasselGotPeedOn 08-19-2018 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13682651)
Holy shit man. This game was GIF gold.

https://i.imgur.com/PVrVIkl.gif

Does Kelce say nice? LMAO

Bowser 08-19-2018 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 13682661)
Does Kelce say nice? LMAO

Looks like it, lol

ThaVirus 08-19-2018 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 13682650)
Great, in that case we better be doing some heavy praying that we don't have any starters go down with injuries or have to come out for a rest!

Stop crying, dude. At any point in these games thus far we're looking at up to six or seven backups in the starting line up.

During the regular season, we'll be looking at subbing these scrubs in one or two at a time.

O.city 08-19-2018 05:57 PM

Yeah, if our big defensive signing at ILB can get healthy that would help

staylor26 08-19-2018 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13682686)
Yeah, if our big defensive signing at ILB can get healthy that would help

Wasn’t he already back practice along with Ragland?

Pretty sure that was precautionary.

O.city 08-19-2018 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13682687)
Wasn’t he already back practice along with Ragland?

Pretty sure that was precautionary.

They’ve both been practicing not sure why they didn’t play

Chiefs=Champions 08-19-2018 06:53 PM

Because its preseason and they are being cautious.

O.city 08-19-2018 06:55 PM

Probably

But If they’re healthy, why be that cautious!

Chiefs=Champions 08-19-2018 06:57 PM

Because its preseason

OKchiefs 08-19-2018 06:57 PM

We were "cautious" with Berry last preseason, how'd that turn out?

Chiefs=Champions 08-19-2018 07:02 PM

Teams are cautious with players every preseason. That doesn't mean every damn starting running back and star WR does an Achilles. People need to seriously chill.

Best22 08-19-2018 07:05 PM

Julio suited up, but didn't play

This preseason has been wacky

O.city 08-19-2018 07:07 PM

In the end hopefully it won’t matter.
But I’ll always think guys need to play. You can’t replicate game speed and such

staylor26 08-19-2018 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13682779)
In the end hopefully it won’t matter.
But I’ll always think guys need to play. You can’t replicate game speed and such

I hear ya, but if we come away with no significant TC/preseason injuries it’ll be worth it.

O.city 08-19-2018 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13682789)
I hear ya, but if we come away with no significant TC/preseason injuries it’ll be worth it.

True, those suck. But they’ll happen in the preseason just as they will the regular season.

I have no clue if there is any research or anything to it but I feel like the more you play the better in terms of energy

Bowser 08-19-2018 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13682691)
They’ve both been practicing not sure why they didn’t play

They didn't want those guys going full tilt on turf

O.city 08-19-2018 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13682793)
They didn't want those guys going full tilt on turf

True didn’t think about that

RunKC 08-19-2018 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13682691)
They’ve both been practicing not sure why they didn’t play

Andy mentioned that both ILB’s could play next week.

RunKC 08-19-2018 07:35 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/FB_FilmAn...57128683044864

This was an awesome play design by Andy. Totally fooled the defense.

NJChiefsFan 08-19-2018 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 13682661)
Does Kelce say nice? LMAO

That's the best part.

O.city 08-19-2018 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13682809)
Andy mentioned that both ILB’s could play next week.

I hope so

O.city 08-19-2018 08:25 PM

Chris jones was damn near unstoppable. Freakish

Hammock Parties 08-19-2018 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13682880)
Chris jones was damn near unstoppable. Freakish

He's Reggie White.

And we got Brett Favre throwing to Midget Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez this year, handing the ball to Terrell Davis.

O.city 08-19-2018 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13682881)
He's Reggie White.

And we got Brett Favre throwing to Midget Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez this year, handing the ball to Terrell Davis.

That would be nice

RunKC 08-19-2018 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good (Post 13682774)
Teams are cautious with players every preseason. That doesn't mean every damn starting running back and star WR does an Achilles. People need to seriously chill.

There’s already been 20 ACL tears this season and it’s week 2 of preseason. That’s not even counting Achilles or breaks/MCL issues.

At this rate every team is bound to have at least 1 guy a season with a big leg injury.

Pitt Gorilla 08-19-2018 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13682881)
He's Reggie White.

And we got Brett Favre throwing to Midget Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez this year, handing the ball to Terrell Davis.

Unfortunately, we had to trade Dion; dude was too flashy.

Pitt Gorilla 08-19-2018 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13682948)
There’s already been 20 ACL tears this season and it’s week 2 of preseason. That’s not even counting Achilles or breaks/MCL issues.

At this rate every team is bound to have at least 1 guy a season with a big leg injury.

Of course, the majority of those are on the Chargers.

Chiefs=Champions 08-20-2018 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13682948)
There’s already been 20 ACL tears this season and it’s week 2 of preseason. That’s not even counting Achilles or breaks/MCL issues.

At this rate every team is bound to have at least 1 guy a season with a big leg injury.

So your saying that every player held out of games because of an injury is likely to tear their ACL, Achillies or MCL? LMAO

Chiefs=Champions 08-20-2018 01:25 AM

There will be 1696 signed players (not counting practice squad) come the regular season. 20 ACLs so far... its an epidemic!

O.city 08-20-2018 09:47 AM

Finally got around to watching the whole thing last night. Niemann is gonna make the squad. He's already their 3rd best ILB.

RunKC 08-20-2018 11:07 AM

Interesting note: Armani Watts was the highest rated player from this game per PFF.

O.city 08-20-2018 11:23 AM

Also in regards to Mahomes, I'll get flamed a lot for this I'm sure, but I'm just not that overly excited about the long throw. Yeah, it was cool to see and such, but as I said before I know he can do that.

He needs to be really good at what Alex was really good at now. That's where we need to see him excel and it will set up all the long stuff.

The Franchise 08-20-2018 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13683322)
Also in regards to Mahomes, I'll get flamed a lot for this I'm sure, but I'm just not that overly excited about the long throw. Yeah, it was cool to see and such, but as I said before I know he can do that.

He needs to be really good at what Alex was really good at now. That's where we need to see him excel and it will set up all the long stuff.

That 3rd down pass to Kelce was more important to me.

saphojunkie 08-20-2018 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13683325)
That 3rd down pass to Kelce was more important to me.

Exactly. It’s not about Mahomes being good at what Alex was good at. It’s about being good at what he wasn’t, and that means intermediate throws on third and long. It’s what he has shown in every game he’s played - and that means so much for the success of this team.

O.city 08-20-2018 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 13683328)
Exactly. It’s not about Mahomes being good at what Alex was good at. It’s about being good at what he wasn’t, and that means intermediate throws on third and long. It’s what he has shown in every game he’s played - and that means so much for the success of this team.

Yes and no.

The intermediate throws are ones he does need to own as well, but all those little short crossers and the pinpoint accuracy can be lethal.

Marcellus 08-20-2018 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13683325)
That 3rd down pass to Kelce was more important to me.

It was undefendable.

saphojunkie 08-20-2018 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13683331)
Yes and no.

The intermediate throws are ones he does need to own as well, but all those little short crossers and the pinpoint accuracy can be lethal.

But he already has that. The way he places he ball on screens is superb.

O.city 08-20-2018 01:12 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The play before the &quot;illegal formation&quot; should be a TD off the Inside Zone. Wylie does a good job of helping his backside gap then getting to the 2nd lvl. Erving combos with Morse to set him up then knocks back the LB trying to slip in. Hunt&#39;s gotta see that one. <a href="https://t.co/RopfwbRJcV">pic.twitter.com/RopfwbRJcV</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@ChiefinCarolina) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefinCarolina/status/1031619760310702081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hunt missed a walk in TD there.


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