Knowing the way the writing goes on this story, Jordan will be the one behind it all, and she was just using Frank as a front the entire time.

Yup. That's my bet as well!

Seeing how women are pretty much all shedebils this season, that end wouldn't surprise me.

I'd still like to motor boat her...

This is painful to watch.

Certainly not as good as season 1. Lots of stuff could of been cut out and made the events a lot clearer.

Not enough people died.

What the **** is the deal with the transponder on the car.... Was it there the whole time?? If so why didn't they catch him at his motel hideout??

Well, that wasn't worth a shit.

They put it on his car while he was at the school seeing his kid.

The first half of the season was rough, but I thought the last three episodes were fine. I thought the character arcs were handled well, especially Colin Ferrell's. That scene with his son was heartbreaking.

I think it just crossed the line where the Internet rips it apart, and you can't come back from that.



They certainly could've made some parts of the plot clearer. In some ways I like that they didn't hold people's hands, but maybe they should've. I never thought it would be as good as season 1, and it wasn't. But it was definitely noir all the way. I liked that aspect of it.

How did Frank and Ray **** everything up so bad so quickly???

One minute their killing 20 Russian gangsters in cold blood and walking off with a million bucks and the next their both dead in the middle of nowhere.

That being said I say bring it back even if it's not Pizzolato that runs it. I feel like this is one of those projects where it needs a "first man to build the second factory". Like someone who can take what this guy started and actually deliver what we're craving...

Guys (and girls) like:

Justin Kurzel
Gareth Edwards
Greg McLean
Jane Campion
John Hillcoat

I couldnt believe they were still plodding along in the finale. Giving the scarred up woman a backstory in the season finale? Are you joking? I will buy that Ferrell is driving around in his own car. So they COULD have located him at that school and place the tracker. Thank god he parked over that puddle. FFS

Vaughn? I cannot buy that bullshit. He swapped cars. Came from a random location. Yet the cartel was able to track him down to a perfect hijack location. **** that. I get the whole suit thing. He could have palmed the diamonds. A man so street smart does not get himself killed so dumb.

Ugh and the baby? ****. you.

I did not care at all what happened to any of these characters. They were all cliches whose motivations were never clearly understood. The dialogue was trash, the story a mangled knot of fishing line. Epic level fail.

"half anaconda and half great white" :drool:

Pretty horrible show all around. It did get slightly better towards the end but it couldn't really be saved by that point. I enjoy the noir and all that shit but they just tried to do WAY too much. I would've liked to see more of the David Morse character and less of a lot of other unnecessary side plots.

Did anybody catch the line Vaughn's wife gave him early in the episode saying he can't act worth shit? Haha that had to be an inside joke. Vaughn actually finally did decent the last couple of episodes.

Pretty sure the Armenians were the ones who gave Frank up. That whole exchange where they gave him the car seemed off. That's why Frank offered them 500K to make it to his location safely. But they could've easily sold him out to the Mexicans and gotten a piece of the action. They knew he'd robbed the Russians.

And I thought the baby thing, while usually cliche, was okay. Frank spent the whole season trying to have a kid, and couldn't... and Paul and Ray do it when they weren't even planning to. Just another piece of bleak irony.

I laughed out loud at that line. Although I agree. I thought his casting was a horrible idea and bagged on him the first half of the season, he brought it in the 2nd half of the season. I thought the scene with him walking through the desert was amazing.

I was disappointed that Frank never got a handie.
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Liked the last 3 EPs...Ray was the best character but ya avg season at best. Didn't care for the end too much though

Yep. A single line of dialog was all that was needed. But they didnt. Thats why I hated it. Too much coincidence.

I actually liked Ray, Frank, and Woodrough as characters a lot. I thought they did a nice job balancing the whole "dual-life" thing pretty well.

Rachel McAdams was weak. Elisabeth Moss played a similar character in Top of the Lake and was stellar.

Clearly they sold him out. Right after he handed them 2M. They didn't care about the other 1M because they just had the Mexicans hand it over to them when they got back from dropping off Vaughn.


The baby ending did nothing for me. My wife was sobbing. What can I say, that shit works on some of the viewers. She was practically bleeding out her eyes and....wherever.


I'm glad I finally found out who "Pitler" was. Too bad it was the last scene he was in, dead. I kept hearing Pitler and thinking of Adolph Pitler.

I would of cut out Kitsch's character completely. Should of spent more time with Frank and his cronies. Show why he needed to be cleared out of the way for the younger Chessani to take over.

The script needed some cleaning up. It didn't do a good job of showing us important things rather being content to tell us.

Felt like it was written by a woman on her period

Whos baby was that? Woodrough's or Ray/Ani's?

I really have no clue and could see it being either lol.

It was Rays. We found out from the paternity test that his swimmers are stronger than any other mortal mans swimmers

That movie is a decade old.

fuuuuuuuuuuuu*******

Season 2 will never be season 1 is a cop out.


This could have been better, way better. Vince Vaughn was a disaster until the final 2 episodes. The direction and story telling were way off. Plot pacing was atrocious. LA has been done to death. Pick a unique place for crissakes.

The female cop was miscast. Colin Ferrel was okay but some other actors could have been better.

Poor casting, direction and plot did this in, not being season 2.

I have blue balls of the heart.

I did like the differentiation at the end with Ray around the Sequoias, Frank in the desert, and Ani on the water.

If I could pick a spot for a location for next year I'd say Michigan or Maine have some intriguing spots:

Mackinac island Michigan

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The UP
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Sleeping Bear Dunes

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... and Ann Arbor is a unique town to shoot exteriors.



Camden Maine
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Portland Maine
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Leavenworth, Washington

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Hey, how about Kansas?
Lawrence makes a great shot location. You've got Prairie Dunes, and Monument Rock


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The show had acquired some charm in the last few episodes, but the ending was a pile of shit.

I would say for next season:

The Palouse in Eastern Washington

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Outer Banks, North Carolina

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Central Pa (Picture of Pottsville)

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Northern Neck, Va

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Kansas City would make a great location.

All good choices. If season one wasn't already down in Louisian, Biloxi would be a great spot.

Alaska - you could go hog wild. Especially if the story revolved around a possible suspect fleeing to up there.

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Wyoming - Devil's Tower

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Connecticut - Gillette Castle and surrounding areas
*if you have never seen Gillette castle, Google it and check out the crazy interior.

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Let's do it bros

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Maine...

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Nah dudes, Pizzolatto will do something bold and put it in Vegas.

Last season he caught shit for lack of portraying strong women. Now, the uproar is that the show’s too white. Expect the setting to revolve around a minority or ethnic neighborhood.

#blacklivesmatter in fictional storytelling too, damnit!

That particular setting is owned by Stephen King, and must be licensed in order to be able to be used.

Already done in Indiana Jones 4. Has to be somewhere "fresh".

I think Alaska is a good suggestion. It's a little tough, because great scenery doesn't necessarily equal great atmosphere.

I'd rather they focus on a better story and writing than the scenery.

Part of the allure of TD Season #1 was the cultural elements of the area. It seemed to miss most of that in Season #2.

I think Upper Northeast would be a really good choice, though if they do a S3. I imagine it's hard to sell a bunch of A and B list actors to spend alot of time in those types of areas though.

beautiful crap is still crap. I didn't mind the setting in season 2, the night shots were cool of course. But the plot was a wreck, and the writing network quality.

Rural Missouri or Arkansas Ozarks... Winter's Bone type setting would be cool as well.

So would somewhere like West Virginia or rural Kentucky with the oxy/meth/snake handlers and shit.

East Washington into Western Idaho with indian reservations would also be interesting.

Santa Fe, NM would be cool as well.

Start the story in Joplin the evening the tornado hit.

I remember reading that the first season was written to be set in Arkansas, but they went with Louisiana instead because of tax credits.

But the occult themes wouldn't have fit as well.

True Detective: International
Starring: Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Mads Mikkelsen

London would make a lot of sense if Pizzolatto wants to keep with the sex crime shit considering the BBC / Royal Family pedophile scandals.

I nominate Alaska.

I am pretty sure that was what season 1 was based on with a dash of the Texas killing fields.

Season 2 of course is Bell, California.

Next location....Montana.

Home of the Unabomber.

/Need I say more

Prison. Tango & Cash meets Oz.

It's becoming very difficult nowadays to do a shocking drama that doesn't involve pedos.

I think setting Season 3 in London would be a complete disaster.

It's pretty clear that Nic basis a large part of his screenplays off of his personal experiences. What made Season 1 feel so intimate was that the screenwriter literally grew up in that location (and by all accounts, had a pretty rough childhood). He then based Season 2 off of his present surroundings (LA).

With his flat-out refusal to surround himself in a writers room (he composes the entire screenplay on his own), basing a storyline so far removed from his personal experiences would be begging for disaster.

Or HBO could force him to bring on a writing staff (a staff that could have interconnected his storylines and delivered on a worthy twist could have lifted Season 1 to an all time great). We'll see what HBO does here, it's.. rather unlikely they're going to sit on their hands after the criticism received by Season 2.

Been done but the Cajun culture would be unique. Not the New Orleans crap. I'm talking deep bayou. The ones that don't think they are part of the USA. I had a 90 year old grandma tell me to hit the road because I asked when the bus came to get me out of town. The two old geezers playing checkers across the room cocked a shotgun and said you should listen to her boy.

You got voodo, mistrust, lots of closed community. Good TV cocktail if done correctly.

Cannibals could be shocking. Some sort of sadistic rape and human trafficking cult could be shocking.

I would say don't do a murder, at least not at first, for season 3. An art heist would be fun I think.

It should be a high dollar type of crime, for certain. That's what kind of fell flat about season two... Having Frank getting muscled out of the land deals for the bullet train didn't elicit any sort of concern from me at least because of him being a mobster and the fact it just wasn't that important of a story point compared to everything else that happened. It was relevant to what set events in motion but it just didn't feel like there were any stakes involved to the characters not named Semyon. Had he been a legitimate businessman that got ****ed out of the deal and then he turned to thuggery and the conflicted emotions from him and his wife, it would have been one thing. But once we were shown how violent Frank was willing to get it just didn't seem like a big deal and it was more about watching to see if he could muscle his way back into the money.

Art theft is unique in that a buyer basically hires the thieves for specific pieces. The thieves will pass up higher valued pieces to get what is on their list. Of course, it is incredibly hard to sell the pieces on the open market since they would be really well known.

Have the heist go south and the detectives need to find out the thieves and who hired them.

Alright, get me pages for episode 1 in say 6 weeks, and we'll go from there.

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(For the folks who can't see that embed, it's HBO President Michael Lombardo on True Detective season 2, saying "I take the blame. I set [Nic Pizzolatto] up. To deliver, in a very short time frame, something that became very challenging to deliver. That’s not what that show is. He had to reinvent the wheel, so to speak. Find his muse. And so I think that’s what I learned from it. Don’t do that anymore.")

Stockholm would be a great setting. Water, islands, forests in the countryside.

So no S3 in 2016. Probably for the best.

If they have any hope for redeeming the show.

At the very least, don't we get the new season of Twin Peaks sometime this year?

Last I heard, 2017 on TP

I'm good if they take their time so long as its all Lynch and Frost which it sounds like it will be.

I'd like to be proven wrong but right now season 1 was so good I think I'll view any following seasons through that lens and inevitably be disappointed.

Season 2 reinforced that feeling in spades.

S2 should be judged on its own merits. They ****ed up by having four protagonists. It should have been Woodrugh and Bezzerides as the detective pairing from the outset. And yes, I say this even though Velcoro had a plot line that had the better payoff in the end. Semyon should have been a background character that only had appearances to make you think he was the perp but only to be let off as a red herring at the end. Kill him off in the same way at the end.

With Bezzerides and Woodrugh as the team, you can still put him as the new guy in the corrupt Vinci Pd. He's still the former soldier / merc with repressed gay tendencies that likes motorcycles. Instead of knocking up the Latina he ****s Bezzerides and knocks her up instead. Instead of Velcoro and Semyon killing ossip, it's Woodrugh and Semyon and both are killed while Bezzerides escapes. The attack on the cabin makes more sense with a former soldier handling automatic weapons rather than Velcoro.

I think kowtowing to criticism about a lack of dominant female leads only muddied the waters further. Not that Adams' character in and of itself was the issue, but indicative of the show reading too many press clippings.

Most definitely rushing the second season resulted in the season deserved.

The land deal / casino business was really a fruitless plot point to spend so much time on. Greater focus on Bohemian Grove and the connection between there and the bird masked assailant would have made for a much better plot focus. Vaughan's character should have been a periphery character at the most, and you could get rid of the PCH bikecop and his mother completely. Farrell and Adams as the primary leads and the focus on their pasts and her father's connection or association with the current case, such as the psychiatrist, would have been a lot more compelling.

I finally watched season 2 a couple weeks ago. I thought it was decent. Not in the same universe as Season 1, but I didn't think it deserves to be panned on here like it was.

Have they done any casting for Season 3?

I'd be surprised if we see a Season 3 before 2018

Are they going to continue to let him write solo, or are they going to force a team on him?

From my understanding, they're going to let him write solo. His deal with HBO ends in 2018 and they'd like to have a new season on the air before it expires but they're also giving him his space and as much time necessary to write the season.

I still believe that the most interesting idea would be to bring back Season One's lead actors but with an entirely different story. But scheduling, especially when the source material hasn't even been written, is always an issue.