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Discuss Thrower 05-10-2015 09:21 AM

Don's cheating on Megan is a consequence of how he began to see SCDP's dealings with clients as prostitution...

Discuss Thrower 05-10-2015 11:19 PM

HOLY ****

Baby Lee 05-10-2015 11:51 PM

Harrumph, so predictable /H-wood

DaneMcCloud 05-10-2015 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11491941)
Harrumph, so predictable /H-wood

The Pete-Trudy thing was completely predictable, as it's been set up all season long.

But after tonight's episode, it's pretty clear that Don won't die in the finale but his fate is looking to be open ended, which if so, will be disappointing to me,

Hammock Parties 05-11-2015 01:28 AM

EVERY TIME WE GET A CAR THIS PLACE TURNS INTO A WHOREHOUSE LMAO LMAO LMAO

Best episode ever.

Red Brooklyn 05-11-2015 11:42 AM

I'd be happy if we don't see Don again. I mean, I KNOW we will. But it would be pretty ****ing ballsy and really cool if we didn't. Leave the biggest thread dangling and don't even include him in the finale. I'd ****ing LOVE that.

Won't happen, but....

I seem to be the only one dubious of Duck, and of Pete's "happy ending." While I do love the idea that if Mad Men is going to hand out happy endings, OF COURSE Pete ****ing Campbell gets one. Of course! I like that idea.

But I don't know. It seems... too good to be true? Maybe I'm over thinking it. But I don't trust that Duck. I'll be sitting pretty uneasy for a week.

DaneMcCloud 05-11-2015 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 11492441)
Maybe I'm over thinking it. But I don't trust that Duck. I'll be sitting pretty uneasy for a week.

If the LearJet offer wasn't real, Weiner would be betraying the viewer. That just seems out of place.

So far, Joan and Pete are receiving a "Happy Ending" and you might say that Roger has as well. Betty's ending isn't exactly happy but she is getting an ending exactly as she wants it.

Really, all that leaves is Don and Peggy. It's hard to imagine Peggy receiving a "happy ending" because her storyline would need to be quickly accelerated, which really didn't happen in 1971.

As for Don, maybe he continues on his journey and become Dick Whitman once again. He doesn't need money (although he'll have to go back to New York at some point, just to get his money, unless he just has it all wire-transferred, I suppose) or maybe he creates an entirely new identity.

Either way, I think we've seen the last of "Don Draper".

Brock 05-11-2015 12:28 PM

Seems like don's going to have to be a real father in the second half of his life. Should be a happy thing for him but with this guy who knows.

Red Brooklyn 05-11-2015 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11492486)
If the LearJet offer wasn't real, Weiner would be betraying the viewer. That just seems out of place.

How so?

DaneMcCloud 05-11-2015 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 11492547)
How so?

Because he's laid the groundwork all season long for Trudy & Pete to reunite, which happened in last night's episode. It would be poor story telling to say "Ha ha! Just kidding".

Plus, even if it was a ruse by Duck (which it's not), Pete still has his job at McCann, has a few million coming out the end of his contract in 4 years and he and Trudy would still be reunited. He's also met with the LearJet owner and Duck wouldn't gain a single thing if it were a lie.

There's no reason to introduce a plot device of this type with one episode left.

DaneMcCloud 05-11-2015 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11492532)
Seems like don's going to have to be a real father in the second half of his life. Should be a happy thing for him but with this guy who knows.

I didn't get that from last night's episode, although it will be interesting to see Don's reaction to Betty's plight.

I've braced myself for a "Time Jump" but I just hope it's not a cheap ending, like an 85 year old Don telling this story to his children and grandchildren at Christmas or worse yet, from his death bed.

Red Brooklyn 05-11-2015 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11492561)
Because he's laid the groundwork all season long for Trudy & Pete to reunite, which happened in last night's episode. It would be poor story telling to say "Ha ha! Just kidding".

Plus, even if it was a ruse by Duck (which it's not), Pete still has his job at McCann, has a few million coming out the end of his contract in 4 years and he and Trudy would still be reunited. He's also met with the LearJet owner and Duck wouldn't gain a single thing if it were a lie.

There's no reason to introduce a plot device of this type with one episode left.

I'm sure you're right. Like I said, I seem to be the only one fidgety about it. And it's not like I think anything WILL come of it. I'll be relieved if/when nothing does. I'm just nervous that something COULD.

And I certainly don't think pulling the rug out from under Pete would be poor storytelling. Obviously, it could be, but it wouldn't automatically be.

But, yeah, I'm sure I'm just antsy because it's a series finale and I've been trained that something ****ING HUGE has to happen in series finales.

Red Brooklyn 05-11-2015 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11492569)
I didn't get that from last night's episode, although it will be interesting to see Don's reaction to Betty's plight.

I've braced myself for a "Time Jump" but I just hope it's not a cheap ending, like an 85 year old Don telling this story to his children and grandchildren at Christmas or worse yet, from his death bed.

:)

That would be a much bigger betrayal, I think.

DaneMcCloud 05-11-2015 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 11492579)
:)

That would be a much bigger betrayal, I think.

I do as well.

I don't want to see him in a mental ward or on his deathbed or anything like that at all. Personally, I'd rather have a resolution to each character, much like the end of American Graffiti, so there isn't rampant speculation for years on end as to what happens to each character.

There's only one character's fate that's sealed and after seven years of watching this program, that wouldn't be a satisfying finale for me.

DaneMcCloud 05-11-2015 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 11492577)
I'm sure you're right. Like I said, I seem to be the only one fidgety about it. And it's not like I think anything WILL come of it. I'll be relieved if/when nothing does. I'm just nervous that something COULD.

No offense to you personally but I believe that you have this nervousness or "fear" due to the many "twist" endings of programs in the past decade. Everyone is bracing themselves for something totally out of the blue that would happen, which in many cases, does a great disservice to the program and the audience.

But the bottom line for Pete is that he's set: He's got his family back and whether he ends up in Witchita or McCann, he's set for life.

Red Brooklyn 05-11-2015 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11492596)
No offense to you personally but I believe that you have this nervousness or "fear" due to the many "twist" endings of programs in the past decade. Everyone is bracing themselves for something totally out of the blue that would happen, which in many cases, does a great disservice to the program and the audience.

But the bottom line for Pete is that he's set: He's got his family back and whether he ends up in Witchita or McCann, he's set for life.

No offence taken. If course I agree. That's why I said as much in my earlier post.

I'm looking forward to a finale that isn't cheap. Hopefully, Mad Men delivers.

NewChief 05-11-2015 10:07 PM

Jesus. I don't know. I kind of love Don's trajectory here. He actually revealed, truthfully, the tragedy of his "birth" as Don Draper. He returns to his roots. Maybe it's predictable or trite or whatever, but it's also cathartic.

DaneMcCloud 05-11-2015 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 11493978)
Jesus. I don't know. I kind of love Don's trajectory here. He actually revealed, truthfully, the tragedy of his "birth" as Don Draper. He returns to his roots. Maybe it's predictable or trite or whatever, but it's also cathartic.

Oh, I agree. But he can't go back to Dick Whitman and he appears to be shedding Don Draper, so who will he invent himself as next?

Maybe that's the final scene.

Discuss Thrower 05-11-2015 11:09 PM

I've been skipping around the seasons that are on Netflix...

and I think Don and Megan could have worked out. 50% of everything blowing up with her was Don's philandering, that's undeniable. But I don't think the philandering comes in to play if he moved to California instead of Ted.

Hammock Parties 05-11-2015 11:14 PM

The final scene should be: Don in the doctor's office.

Don: "So, how am I?"

Doc: "Do you want the good news or the bad news?"

Don: "Good news first?"

Doc: "Physically, you're in perfect health. Low cholesterol, blood pressure good, liver surprisingly stout."

A beat. Don cocks an eyebrow.

Doc sighs and removes his glasses. Looks Don in the eye.

Doc: "Mr Draper.....you have AIDS."

FIN

DaneMcCloud 05-11-2015 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11494041)
The final scene should be: Don in the doctor's office.

No offense but that doesn't make any sense. AIDS was spread in the late 70's and early 80's by homosexuals and IV drug users, not guys that banged 100 women (or whatever).

Plus, that would be an awful ending that has nothing to do with the narrative.

Hammock Parties 05-11-2015 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11494050)
No offense but that doesn't make any sense. AIDS was spread in the late 70's and early 80's by homosexuals and IV drug users, not guys that banged 100 women (or whatever).

Plus, that would be an awful ending that has nothing to do with the narrative.

SOMEONE who wasn't gay had AIDS in the early 70s.

Personally I think it would be ****ing hilarious. All that ****ing finally caught up to Don.

DaneMcCloud 05-11-2015 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11494051)
SOMEONE who wasn't gay had AIDS in the early 70s.

Personally I think it would be ****ing hilarious. All that ****ing finally caught up to Don.

The narrative isn't about the affairs or sex.

If AIDS was about heterosexuals, the species would be eradicated, especially if you factor in rock stars, movies stars, porn stars, etc.

No offense but that's naive and silly.

NewChief 05-11-2015 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11494053)
The narrative isn't about the affairs or sex.

If AIDS was about heterosexuals, the species would be eradicated, especially if you factor in rock stars, movies stars, porn stars, etc.

No offense but that's naive and silly.

I love that you're softening your response with "no offense" but it's Clay. He can handle it.


Your idea sucks, Clay. You know what is a good plot line with AIDS?

You
AIDS
fire.

The end. Lylab. Have a nice day.

Hammock Parties 05-11-2015 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11494053)
The narrative isn't about the affairs or sex.

It's about Don trying to find himself/happiness, if you ask me. And he constantly uses sex as a method to achieve it.

Therefore, AIDs would be hilarious. And fitting, since he's such a jerk.

Discuss Thrower 05-11-2015 11:42 PM

Don's not dying of a disease to end the show. Weiner already shot that wad with
Spoiler!
.

Shit, if they go the time jump ending I expect Don to be 90 years old with a cigarette hanging from his mouth.

NewChief 05-11-2015 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11494060)
Don's not dying of a disease to end the show. Weiner already shot that wad with
Spoiler!
.

Shit, if they go the time jump ending I expect Don to be 90 years old with a cigarette hanging from his mouth.



Hanging at a VFW telling stories about killing his CO with a lighter?

Wiener is going to do better. I'm expecting something worthwhile.

Discuss Thrower 05-11-2015 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 11494062)
Hanging at a VFW telling stories about killing his CO with a lighter?

Wiener is going to do better. I'm expecting something worthwhile.

My point is we're more likely to see a content as **** Dick Whitman working on a car in a barn-garage with Bobby and Gene looking on with all three sipping Co-ca-colll-las then seeing Don die to a smoking or sexing related disease.

DaneMcCloud 05-11-2015 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11494058)
It's about Don trying to find himself/happiness, if you ask me. And he constantly uses sex as a method to achieve it.

Therefore, AIDs would be hilarious. And fitting, since he's such a jerk.

I'd suggest you re-watch after you've seen all of the episodes.

Not everything in life meets the eye.

DaneMcCloud 05-12-2015 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 11494062)
Hanging at a VFW telling stories about killing his CO with a lighter?

Wiener is going to do better. I'm expecting something worthwhile.

As am I. Whether that happens remains to be seen.

I'll be surprised if he does not succeed.

Hammock Parties 05-12-2015 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11494074)
I'd suggest you re-watch after you've seen all of the episodes.

Not everything in life meets the eye.

Oh please, Dane. It's a TV show. It's open to interpretation.

TinyEvel 05-12-2015 12:25 AM

My dream final episode:

Draper gets off the Bus at Union Station, KC. thumbs a ride to Kaufman Sports complex, and the brand newly-completed Arrowhead Stadium. You can still smell the paint on the walls and the hear the CHING! of the cash registers from the high beer prices.

He walks on as WR Bob West. In his first year he catches 9 receptions for a total of 162 yards and 2 TDs (more than the entire Chiefs WR corp in 2015) Sadly, that wold be his best year, and he is out of the NFL by 1975.

Peggy goes on to leave McCann to marry a lucrative client and live in a Miami Penthouse much like Draper's NY digs. She becomes an alcoholic and her kids grow up alone.

Joan moves to Los Angeles with that rich guy and opens a women's lingerie boutique.

Pete's wife wakes up and wises up that nobody wants to live in Wichita, leaves him for a second time and he puts a gun in his mouth (that he concealed without a permit) at McDonald's.

Betty. Dies.

Sally becomes a war protester then gets hooked on drugs and catches AIDS. Basically Jenny form Forrest Gump, just copy her story to Sally.

The McCann guys are all bastards, holding onto their square of the checkerboard at all costs as accounts come and go, and Roger just adapts to what they do, continues to drink and hires junior talent for 15K a year, overworks them and takes credit (and the money) for everything they do. (this is the real world of New York advertising, right there)

Jamie 05-12-2015 12:29 AM

I feel like they're telegraphing pretty hard that
Spoiler!

smith11 05-12-2015 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 11494062)
Hanging at a VFW telling stories about killing his CO with a lighter?

Wiener is going to do better. I'm expecting something worthwhile.

i think this was an important plot point---seems to me don/dick Whitman was always guilty about the death of his superior officer and his act in assuming his identity--the vfw forgave him for killing the officer, which could spur don to take a different outlook on life--be less guilty and stop beating himself up

Hammock Parties 05-12-2015 01:57 AM

Spoiler!

DaneMcCloud 05-12-2015 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 11494088)
I feel like they're telegraphing pretty hard that
Spoiler!

Nah. Don has millions upon millions. It was hard to spend millions in the 60's and Don certainly didn't live a lavish lifestyle. His NY apartment sold for $85k.

DJ's left nut 05-12-2015 10:21 AM

Yeah, it's been a little telegraphed in parts (Pete/Trudy was obvious).

And I had a pretty good idea that Don was heading out west, but I didn't figure he'd just ditch McCann after one meeting. That was a harder turn than I expected. I also didn't figure he'd just have some bizarre breakdown/epiphany where he went chasing a cocktail waitress to the hinterlands and ended up giving his Caddy to a cut-rate grifter.

I hope we've seen the last of Roger, Peggy, Pete and Joan. I like where we've left them. I don't think we need any more Betty either (I mean damn...that was cold-blooded). I wouldn't mind a little more resolution between Sally and Don, but perhaps that phonecall is the best we'll get to show that Don's still interested and perhaps even moreso than he once was.

Ted Chaough's shit-eating grin during the Miller meeting said all that needed to be said there - he's found his niche and his happy ending.

The last episode really could be all Don and I'd be content. It seems like the last episode skipped forward a month or more, so I'd be fine with maybe a 6-9 month jump forward showing him settled in. Perhaps we could even see how he's adapted as a father in light of Betty's demise.

It's not been full of twists and turns, but that's not what a final season is for. These have largely been 'stuck' landings, IMO. These characters ended in situations that made sense for them and work for me. Some of it has been easy to see coming, but not necessarily the mechanics of how those situations came to be. I mean hell, hasn't that always been the draw of Mad Men? It's not a show of shockers and cliffhangers; it's a slow burn that's just really damn well done. I feel like this season has been no different than the rest.

Discuss Thrower 05-12-2015 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11494406)
Nah. Don has millions upon millions. It was hard to spend millions in the 60's and Don certainly didn't live a lavish lifestyle. His NY apartment sold for $85k.

Part of me thinks that Don's share of SC&P was something like $8-10M. One million of which was given to Megan.

DaneMcCloud 05-12-2015 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11494432)
I hope we've seen the last of Roger, Peggy, Pete and Joan. I like where we've left them. I don't think we need any more Betty either (I mean damn...that was cold-blooded). I wouldn't mind a little more resolution between Sally and Don, but perhaps that phonecall is the best we'll get to show that Don's still interested and perhaps even moreso than he once was.

I wouldn't mind if the finale was similar to what you've stated but it would be lacking without a visual montage and voice over that spoke of each character's fate.

Weiner has stated a few times that he wants the finale to leave the viewers satisfied. Without closure for the main principles, IMO, he will have missed the mark.

Brock 05-12-2015 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11494033)
I've been skipping around the seasons that are on Netflix...

and I think Don and Megan could have worked out. 50% of everything blowing up with her was Don's philandering, that's undeniable. But I don't think the philandering comes in to play if he moved to California instead of Ted.

No way. Don is trying to fix himself. He's tried to do it with money, trappings, power, trophy wives, and lastly, with what he thought was true love. He's got to do it alone.

Red Brooklyn 05-12-2015 02:24 PM

The only character I need anymore closure on is Peggy. She's the stand-in for the audience. In order for me to feel satisfied with the ending, it'll have to come through Peggy.

I'd like to see Joan one more time, but I won't cry if we don't.

Baby Lee 05-12-2015 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 11494918)
The only character I need anymore closure on is Peggy. She's the stand-in for the audience. In order for me to feel satisfied with the ending, it'll have to come through Peggy.

I'd like to see Joan one more time, but I won't cry if we don't.

Next week will be the long awaited Freddy Rumsen-sode!!

With a small coda on Duck's doggie on the mean streets of Manhattan.

Red Brooklyn 05-12-2015 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11494921)
Next week will be the long awaited Freddy Rumsen-sode!!

With a small coda on Duck's doggie on the mean streets of Manhattan.

:LOL:

DJ's left nut 05-12-2015 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 11494918)
The only character I need anymore closure on is Peggy. She's the stand-in for the audience. In order for me to feel satisfied with the ending, it'll have to come through Peggy.

I'd like to see Joan one more time, but I won't cry if we don't.

I guess I just don't understand what kind of closure people are after.

She's locked in and geared up. We know Peggy has designs on taking over the world. We know she's going to spend a few years at McCann to build up some recognition and cache before blasting off on her own or as creative director at an up and comer.

What mechanism could there possibly be to provide greater closure than that other than Dane's 'voiceover' idea? And as there has never been a narrator in Mad Men, wouldn't that just be hackneyed as hell? Alternatively it could jump forward 5-10 years to give a true epilogue but I don't know that I'd love that idea either because it's simply been done to death.

I guess I just quibble with some folks definition of closure. With Peggy, I feel like we have it already. Do we need to know if she marries and has kids? How old she is when she dies? I don't think so. I mean heck, if we're willing to concede 'closure' with Pete, it would seem to me that Peggie's re-energized, cocksure swagger into McCann with the Octo-Porn ready for the wall provides the same level of finality. She knows who she is and what she wants, now she's going to go make it happen.

DJ's left nut 05-12-2015 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11494921)
Next week will be the long awaited Freddy Rumsen-sode!!

With a small coda on Duck's doggie on the mean streets of Manhattan.

****ing Duck...

Red Brooklyn 05-12-2015 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11494972)
I guess I just don't understand what kind of closure people are after.

She's locked in and geared up. We know Peggy has designs on taking over the world. We know she's going to spend a few years at McCann to build up some recognition and cache before blasting off on her own or as creative director at an up and comer.

What mechanism could there possibly be to provide greater closure than that other than Dane's 'voiceover' idea? And as there has never been a narrator in Mad Men, wouldn't that just be hackneyed as hell? Alternatively it could jump forward 5-10 years to give a true epilogue but I don't know that I'd love that idea either because it's simply been done to death.

I guess I just quibble with some folks definition of closure. With Peggy, I feel like we have it already. Do we need to know if she marries and has kids? How old she is when she dies? I don't think so. I mean heck, if we're willing to concede 'closure' with Pete, it would seem to me that Peggie's re-energized, cocksure swagger into McCann with the Octo-Porn ready for the wall provides the same level of finality. She knows who she is and what she wants, now she's going to go make it happen.

No narration, please and thank you. Voice over would be awful.

I'm sorry, I can't give you a definition of closure here. But I feel like there's more we need from Peggy. It doesn't feel done yet. Virtually every other character does to me. Because she's been our vehicle, our voice, our understanding -- and our misunderstanding -- more than Don, Peggy really is Mad Men. I'm not sure what I want. Or what I expect. All I know is that in my gut, she's not done. If there's no more to her story, I'll feel hollow about that aspect of the way Mad Men ended.

I don't always know what I want from this show. But I'm never disappointed or let down. I trust whatever Weiner has planned will be solid. An I expect Peggy to be part of whatever it is.

Baby Lee 05-12-2015 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 11495010)
No narration, please and thank you. Voice over would be awful.

. . .

This. More Peggy and solid Weiner.

DaneMcCloud 05-12-2015 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11494972)
What mechanism could there possibly be to provide greater closure than that other than Dane's 'voiceover' idea? And as there has never been a narrator in Mad Men, wouldn't that just be hackneyed as hell?.

Generally speaking, voice over montages are usually awful and illustrate a lack of creativity. But if we take Weiner at his word in terms of a "satisfying ending", I'm not sure how he wrap up the series with a montage of some sort.

Hopefully, he does it brilliantly, whatever he ultimately chose.

Pitt Gorilla 05-12-2015 06:31 PM

More Don, perhaps a bit more Peggy. Maybe a shot of Roger in his new digs.

BigRedChief 05-12-2015 10:13 PM

It's looking good for closure on the show. Pete gets to end up in a happy place. He has reformed himself. Got the humility. Joan and Roger are okay.

I don't think we get any further with Peggy. It's the wrong time frame for her to get the big creative director job offer. I agree that Peggy is the glue that held the show together.


I never expected any closure with Don. I'm okay with that. He was always drifting from place to place in his life. To have him comeback and be Dad to his kids due to Betty's cancer would not be an accurate response that Don would do at this point in his life.

Please don't do any trick endings, voice overs, flashbacks etc. Play it straight. You almost got this thing home without embarrassment.

DaneMcCloud 05-12-2015 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11496629)
Please don't do any trick endings, voice overs, flashbacks etc. Play it straight. You almost got this thing home without embarrassment.

While I completely agree, I expect a flash forward/time jump.

Baby Lee 05-12-2015 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11496768)
While I completely agree, I expect a flash forward/time jump.

The year, 1981. Don stops at a diner in Jersey. He sits down and orders some onion rings. The newest hit from 'Boston' comes over the tableside radio. One by one, Sally and Bobby find parking spots and trundle in. Meaningful glances are exchanged. A stranger gives Don a foreboding look.

FADE
TO
BLACK



Genious!!!

ROFL ROFL

DaneMcCloud 05-12-2015 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11496774)
The year, 1981. Don stops at a diner in Jersey. He sits down and orders some onion rings. The newest hit from 'Boston' comes over the tableside radio. One by one, Sally and Bobby find parking spots and trundle in. Meaningful glances are exchanged. A stranger gives Don a foreboding look.

FADE
TO
BLACK



Genious!!!

ROFL ROFL

I've actually had that thought as well.

I've also had the thought that he's in a nursing home, describing his life to Uncle June.

Baby Lee 05-13-2015 12:27 AM

Two images from the past stick with me.

The Hawaii Hotel pitch where the footsteps lead from the sand to the surf and disappear

Don's admiring observation of the California hot rod mechanics in their garage.

Can't shake the notion that one or the other will figure into the finale.

DJ's left nut 05-13-2015 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 11495010)
No narration, please and thank you. Voice over would be awful.

I'm sorry, I can't give you a definition of closure here. But I feel like there's more we need from Peggy. It doesn't feel done yet. Virtually every other character does to me. Because she's been our vehicle, our voice, our understanding -- and our misunderstanding -- more than Don, Peggy really is Mad Men. I'm not sure what I want. Or what I expect. All I know is that in my gut, she's not done. If there's no more to her story, I'll feel hollow about that aspect of the way Mad Men ended.

I don't always know what I want from this show. But I'm never disappointed or let down. I trust whatever Weiner has planned will be solid. An I expect Peggy to be part of whatever it is.

Meh, to me that's just some Salon/Esquire purple prose, IMO. Peggy's never resonated with me at all.

Maybe that's just me projecting. Sadly, I see by FAR the most of myself in Pete friggen Campbell. The frustrated ambition of your late 20s/early 30s. You're doing so much spade work and by your early 30s you're doing more than that. You're often leading the things that are fueling growth but it's still the guys with grey in their temples that are taking credit for your ideas and getting your bonus money.

I'm not old money; not ivy league so I don't identify with him on that front. And while I married young and have a daughter, I'm not the shitty husband Pete is. He's not a perfect analogue, but he's a hell of a lot closer to the mark for me than Peggy is. Moreover, I just think Vincent Kartheiser is a better actor than Elizabeth Moss. He's more emotive; more expressive with his face and mannerisms. It's hokey but it's true - I feel Pete more than Peggy and to me that's in large part because of the job Kartheiser does.

And as to Peggy being the show's moral compass; precisely what separates her from Don? Why is she identifiable but Don isn't? It's nothing more than timing - we saw Peggy rise through the secretarial pool whereas we were only told Don made a similar meteoric rise. Like Don, Peggy's ambition has gotten in the way of having a stable family. Like Don, she seems more at ease when she's unhappy. We've seen her absolutely blast guys like Mathis and Ginsburg much as Don did with her when she was in their shoes. If she ever actually gets the job that Don has, she'd just be Don, right down to her self-destructive approach to personal relationships.

There's nothing about the "Peggy is the proxy for the audience" thing that has ever made a single whiff of sense to me. She's Don earlier in Don's career and that's it.

DJ's left nut 05-13-2015 09:27 AM

Closure:

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Red Brooklyn 05-13-2015 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11496935)
Meh, to me that's just some Salon/Esquire purple prose, IMO. Peggy's never resonated with me at all.

Maybe that's just me projecting. Sadly, I see by FAR the most of myself in Pete friggen Campbell. The frustrated ambition of your late 20s/early 30s. You're doing so much spade work and by your early 30s you're doing more than that. You're often leading the things that are fueling growth but it's still the guys with grey in their temples that are taking credit for your ideas and getting your bonus money.

I'm not old money; not ivy league so I don't identify with him on that front. And while I married young and have a daughter, I'm not the shitty husband Pete is. He's not a perfect analogue, but he's a hell of a lot closer to the mark for me than Peggy is. Moreover, I just think Vincent Kartheiser is a better actor than Elizabeth Moss. He's more emotive; more expressive with his face and mannerisms. It's hokey but it's true - I feel Pete more than Peggy and to me that's in large part because of the job Kartheiser does.

And as to Peggy being the show's moral compass; precisely what separates her from Don? Why is she identifiable but Don isn't? It's nothing more than timing - we saw Peggy rise through the secretarial pool whereas we were only told Don made a similar meteoric rise. Like Don, Peggy's ambition has gotten in the way of having a stable family. Like Don, she seems more at ease when she's unhappy. We've seen her absolutely blast guys like Mathis and Ginsburg much as Don did with her when she was in their shoes. If she ever actually gets the job that Don has, she'd just be Don, right down to her self-destructive approach to personal relationships.

There's nothing about the "Peggy is the proxy for the audience" thing that has ever made a single whiff of sense to me. She's Don earlier in Don's career and that's it.

Oh, okay. My bad.

Discuss Thrower 05-13-2015 10:09 PM

So apparently I'm not the only U-Verse subber whose audio cuts out on AMC.

Hammock Parties 05-13-2015 11:50 PM

Holy SHIT.

Peggy telling Don "I can't say that we miss you" is the ****iest line ever.

DaneMcCloud 05-14-2015 01:14 AM

I'm re watching the first episode of Mad Men on Netflix and I'd suggest everyone do the same before the season finale.

Spoilers may ensue. :D

Hammock Parties 05-14-2015 02:26 AM

lol, Don walking in on his new bosses unannounced and telling the tobacco company what's up is um...well, I've never experienced sexual attraction to another man until just now. LMAO

Reaper16 05-14-2015 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11496935)
Meh, to me that's just some Salon/Esquire purple prose, IMO. Peggy's never resonated with me at all.

Maybe that's just me projecting. Sadly, I see by FAR the most of myself in Pete friggen Campbell. The frustrated ambition of your late 20s/early 30s. You're doing so much spade work and by your early 30s you're doing more than that. You're often leading the things that are fueling growth but it's still the guys with grey in their temples that are taking credit for your ideas and getting your bonus money.

I'm not old money; not ivy league so I don't identify with him on that front. And while I married young and have a daughter, I'm not the shitty husband Pete is. He's not a perfect analogue, but he's a hell of a lot closer to the mark for me than Peggy is. Moreover, I just think Vincent Kartheiser is a better actor than Elizabeth Moss. He's more emotive; more expressive with his face and mannerisms. It's hokey but it's true - I feel Pete more than Peggy and to me that's in large part because of the job Kartheiser does.

And as to Peggy being the show's moral compass; precisely what separates her from Don? Why is she identifiable but Don isn't? It's nothing more than timing - we saw Peggy rise through the secretarial pool whereas we were only told Don made a similar meteoric rise. Like Don, Peggy's ambition has gotten in the way of having a stable family. Like Don, she seems more at ease when she's unhappy. We've seen her absolutely blast guys like Mathis and Ginsburg much as Don did with her when she was in their shoes. If she ever actually gets the job that Don has, she'd just be Don, right down to her self-destructive approach to personal relationships.

There's nothing about the "Peggy is the proxy for the audience" thing that has ever made a single whiff of sense to me. She's Don earlier in Don's career and that's it.

By golly, he's almost figured it out!

NewChief 05-14-2015 11:52 AM

Salon's 10 Best "Mad Men" episodes. A fun walk down memory lane.

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/14/the_...rable_moments/

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“Mad Men” is a series that makes masterpieces out of 45-minute chunks. It certainly seeks to tell season-long stories, like the long story of Sylvia’s affair with Don throughout season six, and it can spin gold out of multi-episode arcs, like the one at the end of season five. But what’s essential about “Mad Men” are the moments: Anna Draper’s ghost holding a suitcase, Betty aiming Bobby’s BB gun at the neighbor’s pigeons, Peggy making a power-walking glamorous entrance to her new job at McCann-Erickson. And showrunner Matthew Weiner, along with the rest of the crew behind “Mad Men,” makes those moments indelible by taking great care to frame them into episodes that maximize their impact.

No one is going to agree with my top ten—nor should they. “Mad Men” is beloved—and we can probably all agree that “The Suitcase” is one of its finest episodes—but because the show is so intimate and varied, the moments that hit me hardest are not the ones that will have hit you hardest. But in the spirit of saying goodbye to the show, I wanted to share the episodes that struck a chord with me, the ones that I will think about when I look back on the show—both for their incredible artistry and their emotional impact. I had to leave so many of my favorites on the chopping block. And of course, there’s one episode left that I haven’t had a chance to rank yet. Who knows? It could travel all the way to the top spot.

10. “The Other Woman,” season five, episode 11

Joan has always been one of the show’s most astonishing finds, a character who would be easily dismissed as the token bombshell—and, indeed, most of the characters in the show dismiss her as little more than a hot body. For a long time, that’s all Joan saw for herself, too; the story of “Mad Men” is in part the story of how Joan comes to terms with being a real human, not just a beautiful and desirable woman. “The Other Woman” painfully takes her narrative and turns it on its head: After years of disappointments, both at work and at home, that both assume she’s not capable of business, she accepts a deal with the devil. In exchange for money and partnership, she’ll sleep with Herb, the smarmy Jaguar rep who made the bold and disgusting move of asking for a night with Joan in exchange for the ad deal with Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce. It’s a horrifying prospect, and yet though the viewer can disagree with Joan’s choice, it’s impossible to ignore how unsubtly nearly everyone in her life is pushing her to this high-class whoredom. She’s offered up by her former paramours, Pete Campbell and Roger Sterling; she’s offered up by years of being told she’s nothing more than her body. But in Joan’s hands, it becomes a moment of empowerment. “The Other Woman” also dives deep into Joan’s relationship with Don, who is the only partner who objects on principle; when he shows up to her apartment to prevent her from doing it, her face is a transfixed mask. The deed is already done, and he just doesn’t know it.


9. “Man With A Plan,” season six, episode seven

This is one few others will have on their best-of lists, but when I think about season six, my mind almost immediately goes to this uncomfortable, psychological episode, which examines the nature of Sylvia (guest-star Linda Cardellini) and Don’s season-long affair with each other. In this episode, Don checks her into a hotel and—without asking—starts enacting his own sexual fantasy, asking her to wait for him naked in bed while he goes to work. It’s a consuming kind of adoration, and though Don’s occasionally engaged in sexy power dynamics before, it’s rarely been with this level of detail. Don’s desperate need for control, validation, and all-consuming pleasure matches nicely with Sylvia’s terror about the future and her sense of being trapped in her own life. Don buys her a dress, orders her to crawl on all fours, and even relieves her of her book, curtailing completely the amount of autonomy she has. It ultimately ends up being too much for Sylvia, who has to accept taking responsibility for her own life. The episode is striking for how little Don seems to get that the fantasy can’t last forever. I also particularly like it as a fable that counsels against taking women’s books away from them.

8. “In Care Of,” season six, episode 13

This season-six finale features one of my favorite “Mad Men” devices, which is the Don Draper too-emotional, nearly delirious product pitch—with a twist: It goes horribly awry. Time and time again, Don pulls a pitch out of nowhere, and when he’s selling, the audience—both his clients and the viewers at home—can see that he is purely in his element. His delivery is somewhere between a sermon and spoken-word poetry, and it comes out of something that is purely and solidly felt, which is why it affects his audience so powerfully. “In Care Of” features the pitch where Don Draper jumps the shark—he gets carried away with his honesty, and gets too honest. It’s a heartbreaking denouement, partly because even as we can see Don failing, we can see how desperately he needs to tell the truth this one time. He’s finally acknowledging his own life, and coming to terms with his own crappy secrets; but he’s built a world where he can’t say them out loud. Until now. The episode culminates in a moment of canny reckoning, as Don finally opens up to the person who matters most: his oldest daughter, Sally. He shows her the house where he grew up. She turns to him and gives him a slightly skeptical, slightly impressed look, seeing him as he really is for perhaps the first time.

7. “Waterloo,” season seven, episode eight

Season seven is so fresh in my mind that it’s hard to get a clear view of it, tempered by the distance of a few years. But “Waterloo” is a crazy wonderful episode of “Mad Men,” one engages heavily in putting aside the past and opening up to the future. It’s the last episode of “Mad Men” that takes place in the 1960s, and in perfect homage to the decade, it pivots around the moon landing in July 1969. But what is really happening, in the lives of our characters, is that Sterling Cooper & Partners is on location in Indianapolis, about to make a pitch to BurgerChef. Peggy’s taking the pitch, and she’s nervous. But the moment is a transformative one for everyone—especially, sadly, for Bert Cooper, who watches the moon landing from his home in Florida and dies just hours later. It’s an episode laden with thoughts of death and fear about the future—Ted Chaough half-jokingly threatens to take down Sunkist’s executives in his plane—but for once, it turns on Peggy’s pitch, not Don’s. The woman who, the night before, said in panic: “I have to talk to people who just touched the face of God about hamburgers!” delivers the beautiful line: “You’re starving, and not just for dinner.” Plus Harry Crane getting screwed, and the ghost of Bert singing and dancing to “The Best Things In Life Are Free.” It’s one for the history books.

6. “Smoke Gets In Your Eyes,” season one, episode one

I would be remiss if I didn’t give a shout-out to the pilot of “Mad Men,” an impeccably structured introduction to the world of Don Draper. I keenly remember realizing that Don had a wife and a family upstate, after we’d seen him sleep with Midge (Rosemarie DeWitt) and work alone all day in Manhattan. I have a lot of respect for well-structured beginnings, and “Smoke Gets In Your Eyes” strikes me as one of the most solid: An introduction to the soullessness of advertising and the duplicity of Don Draper, but couched in a way that offers enormous humanity to both flawed creatures. It also squarely sets the stage for the first season, which to my mind is still the strongest 13 episodes of “Mad Men” (although the fifth really does give it a run for its money).

5. “Shut The Door. Have A Seat.,” Season three, episode 13

Unlike most of the third season, “Shut The Door. Have A Seat.” is purely thrilling, an episode that trips from one development to the next so quickly it changes the game four times over. Unlike a lot of plotty episodes, though, every minute of it feels earned. Betty and Don’s marriage finally comes to its inevitable end, with even their divorce scene looking like the picture-perfect model of what Families Ought To Do in their situation. January Jones does some of her best work as brittle, overlooked Betty in this episode, and is shortly thereafter sidelined for the rest of the series, as Don pursues other wives. And meanwhile, the office is in upheaval—the protagonists do some clever wheeling and dealing to secure for themselves an all-new firm, Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce, which requires a lot of shaky partnerships and unlikely alliances. One of “Mad Men”’s strengths throughout its run is how well it made corporate drama seem not just interesting but vital. This episode is one of the best examples. The highlight for me is when Don apologizes to Peggy for making her feel unimportant, and then tells her that she understands what he does: That people leave something of themselves behind when they start buying things for money. She cries, because she, like Don, has left a great deal behind.

4. “The Wheel,” season one, episode 13

“The Wheel” is the precursor to “In Care Of,” and in some ways, it’s even more devastating. Don’s pitch to Kodak is so affecting that it’s an immediate winner, without all of the sloppiness that comes years later. But it’s also nothing more than a fantasy, and the man who desires that fantasy the most is a man to whom the fantasy is hardest to grasp. Don Draper has spent his life as a lie, trying to be the perfect man, trying to be anything except himself. Along the way, he sacrificed real intimacy with his wife, and anything like contentment with his children. In “The Wheel,” he knows it, for maybe the fist time. It all boils down to that last shot, where he races home only to realize that his family has left for Thanksgiving without him. He vividly imagines his homecoming with them there, excited to see him; in reality, he sits on his stairs, cold and sad, with only his own dreams to keep him company. (Peggy, meanwhile, obtains an intimacy she doesn’t even want, when her child is born almost without her noticing.)

3. “The Hobo Code,” season one, episode eight

This was the first episode to delve seriously into Don’s backstory, as the child Dick Whitman, and given how unfamiliar the territory is, it’s outright heartbreaking. Margaret Lyons wrote about this episode just this week, following the penultimate episode of the series, “The Milk And Honey Route”—that theme of wandering without burdens has returned to the show very strongly in its final hours. What “The Hobo Code” offered up in season one was a glimpse into just how wretchedly Don grew up—and the terrible twist of the knife it is to discover the limitations of your own parents, to see them low, the way other people see them. The revelation of the episode sneaks up without warning, as the episode is caught up in the storytelling of a hobo coming to the Whitman farm to visit and then taking his leave. But as he leaves, without his promised quarter, young Dick runs to the gate. Acting on a hunch, he clears the shrubbery by the post to reveal a hand hooked like a scythe or a claw—the code for “a dishonest man lives here.” It’s a chilling moment of realization, masterfully executed.

2. “The Suitcase,” season four, episode seven

“The Suitcase” is on everyone’s best-of lists—that’s just how good it is. I never quite reconciled with the creative decision to show Anna Draper’s ghost walking through Don’s office, carrying the titular suitcase, but everything leading up to that final scene of grief is kind of incredible. The episode is at the literal midpoint of the show—the seventh episode of a 13 episode season, the fourth season in a seven-season run—and it is the hinge on which the whole show pivots, from “Smoke Gets In Your Eyes” to the as-yet unseen “Person To Person.” It is, therefore, an episode about Don and Peggy, where they seem to meet each other as equals—cranky, workaholic, equals—for the first time since the series started. Intimacy doesn’t come comfortably to either of these people; over one long, grueling night, they fight and reminisce and come to terms, both with themselves and each other. Peggy ditches a date; Don avoids a phone call. Both find solace in the last thing left that provides them meaning, but even that isn’t quite enough. What they really only have is their ability to comfort the other.

1. “Babylon,” season one, episode six

It’s a weird choice, I’ll grant you that. It’s not an obvious contender for brilliance, and it’s not an episode where a whole lot of things happen. But “Babylon” is when I first fell in love with “Mad Men,” and I’ve revisited it and loved it since. Seven of the nine writers on “Mad Men” are women, and episodes like “Babylon,” which is infused with attention and care to feminine conditioning, are when that perspective really wins out. This is the episode where Peggy first gets the chance to start writing copy, when the women in the office try out an array of Belle Jolie lipsticks and she tells Freddy Rumsen that women don’t want to be just one color in a box, even if the discarded lipstick tissues are a basket of kisses. Later in the episode, Betty applies lipstick on Sally for the first time. Joan, the only woman who knows that the mirror in their testing room is really a window, puts on a little show for the men watching, putting on her lipstick with carefully measured eroticism. Don, meanwhile, seeks out Rachel Menken—his greatest love—to talk to her about a tourism campaign for Israel, ostensibly, but really just to see her again. He asks her why Israel matters. She says it’s a home, even if she’s never been there. And it’s a deeply romantic moment for them both—a moment of shared longing—because wherever or whatever Don’s home is, he’s not there, either. Instead they both are in Babylon—exile in a strange, multilingual city, looking for somewhere to belong.

Discuss Thrower 05-14-2015 12:02 PM

I think the most important thing is the meta-commentary on consumption that Weiner et al are making.

It's clear, to me, that..

Spoiler!

DJ's left nut 05-14-2015 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 11498985)
By golly, he's almost figured it out!

So because you're spoon-fed it, that makes it more relatable?

Baby Lee 05-14-2015 06:42 PM

As we close this out, one question still burns.

In creating this, do you think Matthew Weiner wrote with optimism or pessimism.

On one hand, Don is the embodiment of the American Dream. There is no depredation [leaving aside for the moment race and sexual orientation] in your upbringing that cannot be overcome with vision and commitment.

On the other, there are the variables that differ from straight white and male that held a number back and on the sidelines of the narrative, and even Don could not escape his memory, and suffered at every turn for it.

NewChief 05-14-2015 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11500248)
As we close this out, one question still burns.

In creating this, do you think Matthew Weiner wrote with optimism or pessimism.

On one hand, Don is the embodiment of the American Dream. There is no depredation [leaving aside for the moment race and sexual orientation] in your upbringing that cannot be overcome with vision and commitment.

On the other, there are the variables that differ from straight white and male that held a number back and on the sidelines of the narrative, and even Don could not escape his memory, and suffered at every turn for it.

That's a good question. While this isn't really an answer, I think the overriding feeling I get for it is of nostalgia. And while in many ways that America wasn't really the "good old America" there's still an underlying pining for a lost era that can no longer be. Don, throughout, is the relic from the past who refuses to change even as the world passes him by. The swallowing of their firm by the behemoth is the final act in this passing of an era.

Of course, that's a false nostalgia, as scrappy upstarts are more possible now than ever... but it just feels like Weiner is reaching for that.

Baby Lee 05-14-2015 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 11500288)
That's a good question. While this isn't really an answer, I think the overriding feeling I get for it is of nostalgia. And while in many ways that America wasn't really the "good old America" there's still an underlying pining for a lost era that can no longer be. Don, throughout, is the relic from the past who refuses to change even as the world passes him by. The swallowing of their firm by the behemoth is the final act in this passing of an era.

Of course, that's a false nostalgia, as scrappy upstarts are more possible now than ever... but it just feels like Weiner is reaching for that.

Yeah, but also now more than ever scrappy upstarts are slaving feverishly to get their head above the rest of the swamp in order to be eaten by a 21st century McCann [Apple buys another social media app, . . . we're all living for the IPO].

Demonpenz 05-14-2015 09:03 PM

How does Don only have on strong craving of booze. I mean he has to be a pretty bad alcoholic at this point.

Pitt Gorilla 05-14-2015 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11500248)
As we close this out, one question still burns.

In creating this, do you think Matthew Weiner wrote with optimism or pessimism.

On one hand, Don is the embodiment of the American Dream. There is no depredation [leaving aside for the moment race and sexual orientation] in your upbringing that cannot be overcome with vision and commitment.

On the other, there are the variables that differ from straight white and male that held a number back and on the sidelines of the narrative, and even Don could not escape his memory, and suffered at every turn for it.

At least one of the lessons has to be: If you're good enough looking, you can do almost anything.

Baby Lee 05-14-2015 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 11500454)
At least one of the lessons has to be: If you're good enough looking, you can do almost anything.

I guess Joan isn't teaching that one.

Pitt Gorilla 05-14-2015 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11500472)
I guess Joan isn't teaching that one.

She became a millionaire partner in an advertising firm due, in large part, to her looks. I'd qualify that as "almost anything."

Baby Lee 05-14-2015 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 11500510)
She became a millionaire partner in an advertising firm due, in large part, to her looks. I'd qualify that as "almost anything."

You might want to watch a little closer.

BucEyedPea 05-14-2015 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11479804)
Last night's episode was well executed but this final season just hasn't been compelling for me.

Now, if Don jumps out his window during the finale, we may have something.

Otherwise, meh.

I just started season 7 on Netflix. Started about a month ago watching multiple episodes in one night. But they don't have all of season 7 and it's going to end this Sunday.
It'll be a year before I can fill in the gap if I am not done by Sunday. I think some are on the AMC site under full episodes though.

I love it. I love watching the creatives in the ad world on Madison Avenue during that time as it so close to my background.

BucEyedPea 05-14-2015 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11500515)
You might want to watch a little closer.

Yep!

Joan has a college education for back then too. Whereas, Peggy started as just a secretary herself.

BucEyedPea 05-14-2015 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 11500288)
That's a good question. While this isn't really an answer, I think the overriding feeling I get for it is of nostalgia. And while in many ways that America wasn't really the "good old America" there's still an underlying pining for a lost era that can no longer be. Don, throughout, is the relic from the past who refuses to change even as the world passes him by. The swallowing of their firm by the behemoth is the final act in this passing of an era.

Of course, that's a false nostalgia, as scrappy upstarts are more possible now than ever... but it just feels like Weiner is reaching for that.

It certainly wasn't most of middle America. I was shocked at all the adultery and drinking while on the job. An ad man age 73 said all that was authentic in the ad world back then. There were even sex contests and raffles for who would have to do who and alcohol in their desk draws. He said it died out in the 80's. It's supposed to be authentic. I never saw it in the late 80's or 90's.

Brock 05-14-2015 10:34 PM

I recently visited a big ad agency in KC. These people are still doing exactly the same things. The tools are obviously different, everybody trying to create viral, totally immersed in pop culture while trying to direct it, big screens all over, millennial versions of Pete and Peggy jabbering with a monster drink in one hand and an xxl phone in the other. Looked like more fun than any of that shit scdp was doing.

Baby Lee 05-14-2015 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11500617)
I recently visited a big ad agency in KC. These people are still doing exactly the same things. The tools are obviously different, everybody trying to create viral, totally immersed in pop culture while trying to direct it, big screens all over, millennial versions of Pete and Peggy jabbering with a monster drink in one hand and an xxl phone in the other. Looked like more fun than any of that shit scdp was doing.

Watch Silicon Valley on HBO, or just the Silicon Valley episode of Veep.

Brock 05-14-2015 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11500621)
Watch Silicon Valley on HBO, or just the Silicon Valley episode of Veep.

That's what it reminded me of. I can remember thinking that for all the crap millennials catch, these were some of the smartest and most optimistic people I had been around in a long time. Made me feel pretty good seeing such industry among the young, even if it was just to sell more Blizzards.

BucEyedPea 05-14-2015 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11500617)
I recently visited a big ad agency in KC. These people are still doing exactly the same things. The tools are obviously different, everybody trying to create viral, totally immersed in pop culture while trying to direct it, big screens all over, millennial versions of Pete and Peggy jabbering with a monster drink in one hand and an xxl phone in the other. Looked like more fun than any of that shit scdp was doing.

I never ever saw anyone working with a drink in their hand on the job including in NY. Drinking was afterwards or when a client came for certain personnel. I remember the Ocean Spray exec had to be taken out and gotten him drunk on purpose because we were behind the deadline. On the other hand there's much accuracy in the series on the ad business side. Such as the account is usually lost after a Clio award is won etc. I was nearly floored when they mentioned Ogilvy never submitted for awards for this reason. I learned that from Ogilvy's book on advertising. And the scene of Young and Rubicon dropping water balloons on black protestors was a true event.


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