The production the Faders have gotten out of Carr since they made him the highest-paid player (at the time) should be enough for all their fans to hate him.

They will turn on him after a few more hapless, lifeless performances.

Beaker is still in this ****ing league?

That's how ghey-assed, pussy-drip this shitbag, womanly league has become with defense in this era under Rammit Goodinmyass Rodger.
That gangly dork should have flown in 20 different directions all over the field years ago.

May Mahomes play until he's 120 and win 50 'ships.

He has terrible vision and stars down receivers.

His accuracy is above average and can strike when the receiver is wide open or he trusts himself.

Just under performing his talent level

Carr makes Matt Cassel look calm and confident in the pocket.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THE DAY OUR QB LOST HIS FIRE <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAIDERNATION?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAIDERNATION</a> <a href="https://t.co/5lFOBBUAsv">pic.twitter.com/5lFOBBUAsv</a></p>&mdash; #RAIDERNATION (6-6) (@b300harley) <a href="https://twitter.com/b300harley/status/1201286848317923330?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'd love to see his updated stats against KC and in the cold.

He throws a decent jump ball down the sideline when it's man coverage. That's about all he can do. Did it again yesterday. Is that why he has a high down field rating?

see how it plays out....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EK0G-W_X...jpg&name=large

If Los Angeles and Oakland knew what was good for them, they'd let go of Rivers and Carr this offseason and go rookie or journeymen next year, but they won't do that so it means hilarity for us!

lmao

https://i.imgur.com/XARrxza.png

That's great.

So the dipshits cycled through the Chargers and Raiders. What's next? "Drew Lock and the Denver Broncos are the new team to beat in the AFC West!!"

ESPN: Derek Carr has 55 losses, the second most ever for a QB in his first 6 seasons. The only QB with more? David Carr.

Yes. Prepare for an entire offseason that details the inevitable rise of Donk.... which I’ll have to see to believe.

It'll be a fourth straight offseason of "the Chargers are the Super Bowl favorites." The league is utterly desperate to make the LA Chargers experiment look good.

Derek Carr doesn't necessarily suck. He's just not an elite QB. Or even a top-10 QB. He's a middle tier QB, that can be successful with a solid defense and enough weapons, both of which were lacking this season in OAK. He's like a Phil Simms QB (not in the way he plays, but in his ability to manufacture plays/drives/wins). He's a journeyman passer that needs help from the rest of his team to win consistently.

Nothing wrong with that, he is what he is.

lmao

two whiny little bitches together in infamy

That's a lot of words to call him a less shitty Trent Edwards.

Heh, yeah. Just refining what it means to suck.

Man, the dick sucking runs strong in that family. I need to get their mom's number.

That's with a 12 win season jammed in there.

51 losses in 5 seasons! LMAO

David Carr is giving away free tickets to the Raiders home playoff game. Are you folks going?

I really hope they never move on from him

Derek Carr is the best thing that could happen for the Raiders they need extend his contract.

Probably the best Nagy can do this year

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bears are quietly looking at QB options.<br><br>Trubisky will still get the shot to be the guy, but much like Titans/Mariota last year, the leash is short.<br><br>They&#39;d prefer vet ready-to-play, options. If Raiders were to move on from Carr ($21.5m cap hit vs $7.9 dead) theyd be interested.</p>&mdash; Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1230547120051998722?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Honestly, Carr is likely better than Trubisky at this point. And that's not saying a whole hell of a lot.

Let's be honest, he's WAY better. But he's also bitchmade, and would probably suck playing in cold weather most of the year.

He sucks but the nfl gave him 3 or 4 tries with no time on the clock to beat KC, in Oakland, in primetime.

I just don't know what happened to Carr. :shrug:
I always thought he would be much better. Maybe he has battered child syndrome from playing with the Raiders.

Raiders fans say he’s never been quite the same since he shattered his leg. Mostly that he’s more timid and takes fewer chances.

They might be right. He lacks any confidence anymore and comes across disengaged from his team these last few years.

I think they are tiring of him and losing

I know when your opportunity comes a'knocking, you better not turn it down when it comes to becoming a head coach.

But man... Nagy had to have been saying, "I have to coach the ****ing BEARS? Why couldn't have been a better run organization like the Bucs or the Cardinals?"

Derek Carr has never been very good. Last year was his best year as a pro, though, and by a pretty big margin according to QBR.

Yet the Raiders/Gruden can’t wait to rid themselves of him and his contract.

The stats don’t mean shit.

Because he's not very good -- all this talk about a decline or something -- no.

Just like his brother. Tons of talent but they're both total pussies.

Unfortunately for Derek Carr his defenses have been crap. Like record setting crap.

He might flourish in Chicago with there much better defense.

This is the truth. He was a gunslinger before he broke his leg. Been gun shy every since. Here and there he'll still show glimpses of that guy who could actually will a team to win, but mostly he's inside his shell.

At this point, Carr needs a stud RB, stud TE, stud OL, and at least 3 reliable receivers if he's going to anything more than a 15-20th best QB.

Of course, having a defense that could actually get a stop here and there would help as well.

Derek Carr was a far better QB than Tom Brady last year. But yeah, he's not good.

Honestly, he could probably be close to 2017 Alex Smith effectiveness if he landed with the Bears. Not sure I'd want him to be the guy trusted with the win down 22-21 against even a mediocre defense in the playoffs, though.

Apparently he had a burner account that only tweeted about himself and Fresno State LMAO
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Uhhhh guys I’m 99% certain I found Derek Carr’s burner account, someone only tweeting about Derek Carr and Fresno State <a href="https://t.co/5JdiFB6hLM">pic.twitter.com/5JdiFB6hLM</a></p>&mdash; Tom (@TJFsports) <a href="https://twitter.com/TJFsports/status/1290835540129001473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I definitely did lmao <a href="https://t.co/aMx2UCAaOe">pic.twitter.com/aMx2UCAaOe</a></p>&mdash; Tom (@TJFsports) <a href="https://twitter.com/TJFsports/status/1290847413532491776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More tweets from the deleted Derek Carr burner uncovered by <a href="https://twitter.com/TJFsports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TJFsports</a> <a href="https://t.co/an8bAVpb8n">pic.twitter.com/an8bAVpb8n</a></p>&mdash; Bird Law Expert (@RealBirdLawyer) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealBirdLawyer/status/1290857608903942146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What an insecure loser LMAO

Exposed LMAO

LMFAO!!!!!!

Not even a little surprised

That guy is softer than warm butter. Now he’s in the same division as Mahomes, lmao!!

Makes me wonder if TiggerUppercut was an Alex Smith burner account.

The Carr brothers have been chewed up and spit out by the NFL, yet they've made a fortune doing it. It's got to be an odd love-hate relationship.

Like hell he was.

At Carr's best he was still a checkdown artist. In 2016, before his injury and with the best pass-pro line in football, dude average 7 yards/attempt. Smith averaged 7.2 in his Chiefs career.

Carr was never a gunslinger - he was a guy who's throw underneath regardless of the protection you gave him. He was a risk averse, skittish pud. Last year's the frist season he's ever really been a viable weapon as a passer.

Are you sure that’s not just another RaiderCody twitter account? That dude is all over Carr’s nuts.

Or Dereks other brother Darren, who is all over social media defending Derek dumbass.

I think if he were in a good organization with good coaching and better weapons he might be able to overcome his flaws.

I'll never understand the whole burner twitter account thing. Just goes to show how weird some athletes can be, needing validation from fans.

What a delightful treat that was to read.

I always had a theory Tiger was his wife, Liz. She vehemently defended Alex from KC figures on social, which, I actually admire. Her and Gary Lezak had some memorable exchanges.

Nope. His weaknesses today are the same as they have been coming out of Fresno. Big games he comes up weak and folds. He gets scared after being hit once and is rattled thereafter. He is captain checkdown. He’s great in junk time when the game is over. He has admitted after games that his number 1 priority is to go home safe to his family and he feels the same after a game whether he wins or loses. He’s a pussy

I hope Crybaby Carr stays a Fader for his entire career.

To be fair, Carr had nearly no one to throw to last season. And still put up career numbers in both completion percentage and total yards (70.34/4054 yards). It's a little crazy when you think about it. Pedigree-wise, the best player he threw to last season was Zav Jones, drafted in the 2nd rd. 2017. But Waller? Drafted in the 6th in 2015. Tyrell Williams undrafted. Hunter Renfrow 5th round.

This season Carr won't have that excuse. He'll have the weapons, albeit young inexperienced ones. And the defense has to be much improved, because at the end of the day Carr is a game manager-type QB. he is only going to be as good as his weapons (and his defense), and his ceiling is Alex Smith 2017. Good enough to play and have some success, but not able to put a team on his back and carry them deep into the playoffs or a SB.

That makes this year the year that makes or breaks Derek Carr. He either takes his team to the playoffs and makes some noise in 2020, or he probably gets replaced in 2021.

Carr ****ing sucks

He's such a pussy. I'd be embarrassed to call him my QB. I'd gladly take one legged Alex back before I'd ever want that whiny bitch leading my team. And crying on the field.

Spoken like the local Carrdashians or Carrsaders I listen to around here. Having great WRs almost irrelevant when the QB gets rid of the ball immediately after the snap. He is too scared to let plays develop...honey badger said it right after one of the games. Put all of Carrs stats up that you want but the one that counts (39-55) is pure crap. Carr doesnt worry any DC`s in the league one bit.

Points:

I never said Carr was going to have great WRs this season. I said he'd have more weapons to throw to than last season. young and inexperienced, but more, faster weapons.

Carr didn't always get rid of the ball early. Though that's the offensive philosophy that Gruden has installed for the most part; 'run often, and when throwing get the ball out quickly to the playmakers.' Very standard WCO. But he played behind the biggest OL in the league, so he held the ball and tried to find open receivers quite often. The problem with Carr is that when he feels/sees pressure, he tends to throw balls up for grabs. or decide too late to try and run for it. Sounds vaguely familiar . . .

I never said anything about Carr being scary to DCs. In fact, I said quite the opposite:

fixed

"Gunslinger"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eev0tVIX...png&name=large

How fantastic is that? On 3rd downs, as the distance to gain goes up, Carr's depth of target...doesn't. 3rd and 5, 3rd and 12 - makes no difference, he's throwing underneath.

Dude's just a consummate dink and dunk artist. He's Alex !@#$ing Smith without the mobility, regardless of what the Raiders honks will desperately try to convince you of.

Carr is the worst QB in the AFCW.

And that’s without knowing what Lock (who sucks) and whoever The Chargers trot out there will ever be.

I don’t know, y’all.

Carr is the ultimate team player. He is exactly the personality you want on your football team. Just give him actual weapons and take care of that offensive line, and watch out.

I hope he shows the Raiders enough this year to convince Gruden to make him the Raiders long term QB. He is exactly the kind of rival the Chiefs would love to have.

That "burner account" was shitting all over his teammates over and over LMAO

Is he the absolute worst? Wouldn't go that far.

Is he easily the least likely to lead his team to a championship? Yup - if you presume Herbert to be the eventual starter in SD.

Lock has major bust potential, as does Herbert. But both of those guys also have tools and the requisite aggression to be championship caliber passers if they develop nicely.

Carr, OTOH, is what he is. He's mediocrity personified. He's a game-managing relic w/ marginal mobility in a league that has badly passed that kind of quarterback by.

Carr will never win a championship. Herbert and Lock probably won't - but might.

If I were drafting QBs out of the AFCW - I'd take Mahomes, Lock, Herbert and Carr in that order. The 2 in the middle represent possibility while Carr represents mere purgatory.

Lincoln Kennedy jumps in lol

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...up-or-shut-up/


“I would say to him if he was here in my face and he said that, I would tell him right now, ‘If you’re tired of being disrespected, play better.’ It’s that simple.”

(And that sound you hear in the distance is Derek Carr blocking Lincoln Kennedy on Twitter.)

Play better? The raiders have no defense and had zero weapons lol which of the weapons from last year would you want on the chiefs? Jacobs and Waller that’s it. You don’t win in the nfl with subpar talent

How exactly are Renfrow, Williams, and a top 5ish TE in Waller “zero weapons”?

Everything is relative.

How many teams in the NFL would rather have the Raiders top 3 pass-catchers than who they have? 5? Can't be more than 10, can it?

Dude has well below average weapons to work with - but frankly it just doesn't matter.

Again, using the "Derek Carr is Alex Smith" theory - Alex Smith's weapons simply never mattered, at least not until he had a truly top 5 unit. Alex Smith was exactly as productive when he had the 25th ranked set of weapons in the league as he was when he had the 10th ranked set of weapons in the league.

Dude was simply a metronome. He was 'Even Steven'. Regardless of what he had, he played roughly the same. And that was actually a good thing when his weapons were dog-ass (just as may be the case with the Raiders in previous seasons) but when they actually had weapons they could win something meaningful with, he was out of his element.

Give Derek Carr anything other than one of the absolutely premier set of weapons on the NFL, and he'll just be average as hell. Good, bad, whatever - he's gonna be average. Give him a truly exceptional set of weapons and he might manage to be 2018 Alex Smith.

And then we all know how that works in the playoffs.

**** if I care about Derek Carr. He's just completely irrelevant.

Oh I’m in no way saying that they have a lot of weapons or even average, but “zero weapons” just isn’t accurate.

It’s just a bullshit excuse for a guy that clearly doesn’t have “it”.

Concur on all of this.

The only thing that could make the Raiders a potential contender w/ Carr is if Gruden finds a top-5 defense to go with a top-5 set of weapons. Then Carr becomes a kind of Garapolo clone. Or rather the Raiders become a 49ers clone.

Exactly.

And had the Chiefs had Hill and a seasoned Kelce in 2014 when they had Charles to with 'em and a defense with Houston, Hali and Poe still in prime form, not to mention Sean Smith and a fairly deep secondary, that team would've been VERY similar to the 49ers last year.

The problem for KC is that the defense got old/injured just as the weapons came online. A force multiplier under center can make up for some of that and bring you within a stupid offsides penalty of the Super Bowl. But Alex Smith can't.

Nor can Derek Carr. He needs EVERYTHING to be perfect and it's just not gonna happen for him. Gruden's not that good and Mayock's not that lucky. They'll be mired in 6-10 win mediocrity for as long as Carr is there.

Carr’s first 3 seasons were very good for a young QB. He was a broken leg away from possibly going back-to-back 30 TD seasons.

Unfortunately I think that injury changed him bc he’s never been the same since. It reminds me of what happened with Alex Smith.

It's funny that a coach like Gruden could be a part of that Green Bay staff and work with guys like Andy Reid for so many years and barely pick up any of their ability to coach or work with QBs.

Gruden is the Carl Peterson of coaches. He won't ****ing draft QBs. I can't think of any better way to light a fire under Carr's ass than to draft a young QB. Instead all Gruden did was make an empty threat by bringing in a less durable version of Tyrod Taylor. And that's what he's always done. He chose to roll with the veteran rather than reap any of the benefits that could come from hitting on a franchise QB in the draft.

Like, did he not have enough draft picks this year or the previous year? Should he have traded away whatever few remaining decent players the Raiders had so he would have pulled the trigger on his guy? Oh... no, because that would require trusting your knowledge and coaching abilities, and Gruden is at the very least smart enough to realize he's an overrated choad in that department.

Carr's the same guy he was before the injury. Hell, he's probably better.

Carr was mediocre as hell before the broken leg. The only thing he did well was volume. He got pumped off around here because we were pissed off that we didn't draft our "QBOTF" so people kept holding him up as the one that got away.

Again - the dude threw nearly 600 passes/season in his first 3 seasons for a whopping 6.5 yards per attempt. A 60% completion percentage is pretty much the thresshold for average in the league and he was at 60.9 despite throwing underneath all the time. Was he developing? Sure - and the develpment stalled in '17 when he was trying to fight his way back. Then in '18 and '19 he just stayed on a virtually identical development curve to what he was showing in 14-16.

He was ALWAYS going to be this guy. The injury didn't do anything other than stall his development over the '17 season. So what? You're great or you ain't and what we're seeing in a 28 year old Derek Carr with 6 full seasons as a starter is what we were always going to see.

This guy was never going to be a star. He was always going to be...there. Not good, not bad. He has Andy Dalton's ceiling...maybe. And that's all he's ever had.

The injury didn't matter long-term.

Yea the injury narrative is also bs.

Chiefs fans should know this better than anybody as we’ve ALWAYS seen the real Derek Carr.

Here - from 2016, before his injury:

Derek Carr has always been a game manager. He'll always be a game manager.

Disrespect that pud all you want. He's completely irrelevant.

Here's the thing: it's possible for an average/game manager type QB to win it all. It's happened more times than I'd rather count. And an average QB can not only get to the SB, but win against a 'better' QB in the Super Bowl. See "Foles vs. Brady," or "Eli vs. Brady"(x2), or "Brady vs. Warner," or "Doug Williams vs. Elway," or Phil Simms vs. John Elway," just off the top of my head.

But in all those cases the game manager QB has to have great weapons and a great D to have a chance. Or he has to have an unspeakable run or great play and luck, a la Nick Foles. But even Foles had some pretty good weapons and as very good defense.