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BWillie 12-08-2017 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13267227)
Why would you think cold storage and offline are safe? Your piddly $10K in your safe at home? Probably.

Its the major hacks like I posted thats Bitcoin holders problem. If these continue (and they will) the confidence in Bitcoin safety goes down. 50 of those 900 big dogs get their money stolen at the same time, the stock will collapse.

Ask anyone in security. Its only recently that these serious and capable groups turned their attention to Bitcoin due to its recent run up. Now its worth their time.

Ha. 10k.

Luke Atamadong 12-08-2017 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13269923)
You guys that buy and sell these like day traders are troopers. Thats alot of work. I just hodl and do nothing

Well if you set buy and sell limits the exchange does most of the work, but yeah it does take some paying attention to. I HODL like 80% and trade about 20%

Iowanian 12-08-2017 02:48 PM

Several people I know, who I'm floored even know the word bitcoin have been putting money into it lately. I'm skeptical of the opportunity to make money on bitcoin at this point, but I'm getting closer to dipping my toe into some of the cheaper options and speculate on the penny stock versions at some point.

That said, today I sold some stuff and since silver was down I used that paypal deposit to buy some 10oz silver bars. They're at least pretty to look at if the market drops out of silver.

wutamess 12-08-2017 03:29 PM

LTC SHOT up 30+% today. Waiting for my BTC purchase to show in my account so my transactions will be instant and I can start "daytrading" this stuff on the swings.

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-08-2017 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 13270038)
LTC SHOT up 30+% today. Waiting for my BTC purchase to show in my account so my transactions will be instant and I can start "daytrading" this stuff on the swings.

My gut tells me Bitcoin will do well after the futures start next week. You made a solid investment IMO. Also my gut tells me Litecoin is gonna make a huge run too. What needs to be watched is if the Bitcoin money moves to Litecoin

MahiMike 12-08-2017 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke Atamadong (Post 13269192)
Now LTC is going for a ride. I've been preaching that it was undervalued forever.
Not that I'm any expert or great trader or anything, but I'm obsessed with trading cryptos LOL

I think what were seeing today is guys cashing BatC profits into LC and ETH.

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-09-2017 06:26 AM

LC was 133 last night 153 now

I'm trying to set up an account now, Have to wait for CC verification . Dammit>

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-10-2017 09:13 AM

My kid says, Dad can you just get me one Bitcoin for Christmas ?

My reply:

Look $14375 is an awful lot of money. My dad never gave me $13,427 , there's no way you're getting $15,955

MahiMike 12-10-2017 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13272230)
My kid says, Dad can you just get me one Bitcoin for Christmas ?

My reply:

Look $14375 is an awful lot of money. My dad never gave me $13,427 , there's no way you're getting $15,955

I'm giving mine .1 on their own trezors. Stash it in the safe like savings bonds.

Eleazar 12-11-2017 08:59 AM

Is Bulgaria sitting on $3.5 BILLION worth of Bitcoin seized from criminals?

Graham Cluley | December 11, 2017 1:13 pm |


In May 2017, Bulgarian authorities arrested 23 people in connection with a criminal scheme that attempted to avoid customs tax charges on international shipments.

The arrests came at an end of an investigation dubbed "PRATKA/VIRUS" (Pratka is the Bulgarian word for "shipment") which investigated the planting of malware on customs' computer networks that made it possible for shipments to circumvent normal checks.

As would be normal on an investigation of this scale, properties and vehicles were searched, computers and smartphones were seized, and financial records examined.

But in addition to the normal evidence, the Southeast European Law Enforcement Center (SELEC) reported that Bulgarian authorities also stumbled across 213,519 Bitcoins during the investigation. At the time, each Bitcoin was worth about US $2354, making a tidy total of US $500 million.

By anyone's standards, that's a fair amount of money.

Since May, however, the price of Bitcoin has rocketed. In fact, as I write this article, the price for each Bitcoin is US $16,596.56. Which means that, if SELEC is to be believed, the Bulgarian authorities have over 3 billion dollars burning a hole in their virtual wallet. US $3,543,680,894.64 to be precise.

Mystery remains, however, as to what will happen to this huge amount of virtual currency.

Independent Bulgarian journalists at bivol.bg issued the Interior Ministry with a freedom of information request, asking for the public keys of the wallets containing the Bitcoin treasure trove be published to prevent abuse.

However, the only response from local authorities was a claim that no Bitcoins were ever seized.

So, who's got the story wrong? Was SELEC incorrect in the first place suggesting that the Bulgarian authorities had seized the huge Bitcoin bounty, or is someone in Bulgaria covering up law-enforcement's windfall?

Or... could it be that although the Bulgarians stumbled across evidence of criminals hording 213,519 Bitcoins, they don't have the private keys necessary to unlock them?

My guess is as good as yours. But if I had even had a fraction of the Bitcoins that these criminals appear to have had earlier this year, I would feel sorely tempted to cash some of them in right now.

That is, if I didn't have law enforcement breathing down my neck interested in scooping up any of my criminal proceeds.

https://www.grahamcluley.com/bulgari...zed-criminals/

BossChief 12-11-2017 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13272230)
My kid says, Dad can you just get me one Bitcoin for Christmas ?

My reply:

Look $14375 is an awful lot of money. My dad never gave me $13,427 , there's no way you're getting $15,955

I was entertained by this post.

BossChief 12-11-2017 03:14 PM

17357 per bitcoin, currently.

It was at 13750 Saturday night. Futures trading opened Sunday and Bitcoin has gone on a nice run since.

It’s going mainstream.

Rain Man 12-11-2017 03:34 PM

Sounds like I should buy stock in Bulgaria right now.

OKchiefs 12-11-2017 04:32 PM

Litecoin has almost tripled I'm price in less than a week. Wish I had bought more than one share.

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-11-2017 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13276988)
Litecoin has almost tripled I'm price in less than a week. Wish I had bought more than one share.

Percentage wise it is up just as much as bitcoin in the last year and way more than bitcoin in the last week to month. I bought 4.57 Litecoins Saturday at 157, this afternoon they were 193.

Litecoin is the train to jump on now.

Edit: $223

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-11-2017 04:44 PM

GBTC up $200 just today

ChiefRocka 12-11-2017 06:10 PM

Statement on Cryptocurrencies and Initial Coin Offerings
SEC Chairman Jay Clayton

Dec. 11, 2017

The world’s social media platforms and financial markets are abuzz about cryptocurrencies and “initial coin offerings” (ICOs). There are tales of fortunes made and dreamed to be made. We are hearing the familiar refrain, “this time is different.”

The cryptocurrency and ICO markets have grown rapidly. These markets are local, national and international and include an ever-broadening range of products and participants. They also present investors and other market participants with many questions, some new and some old (but in a new form), including, to list just a few:

Is the product legal? Is it subject to regulation, including rules designed to protect investors? Does the product comply with those rules?
Is the offering legal? Are those offering the product licensed to do so?
Are the trading markets fair? Can prices on those markets be manipulated? Can I sell when I want to?
Are there substantial risks of theft or loss, including from hacking?
The answers to these and other important questions often require an in-depth analysis, and the answers will differ depending on many factors. This statement provides my general views on the cryptocurrency and ICO markets[1] and is directed principally to two groups:

“Main Street” investors, and
Market professionals – including, for example, broker-dealers, investment advisers, exchanges, lawyers and accountants – whose actions impact Main Street investors.
Considerations for Main Street Investors

A number of concerns have been raised regarding the cryptocurrency and ICO markets, including that, as they are currently operating, there is substantially less investor protection than in our traditional securities markets, with correspondingly greater opportunities for fraud and manipulation.

Investors should understand that to date no initial coin offerings have been registered with the SEC. The SEC also has not to date approved for listing and trading any exchange-traded products (such as ETFs) holding cryptocurrencies or other assets related to cryptocurrencies.[2] If any person today tells you otherwise, be especially wary.

We have issued investor alerts, bulletins and statements on initial coin offerings and cryptocurrency-related investments, including with respect to the marketing of certain offerings and investments by celebrities and others.[3] Please take a moment to read them. If you choose to invest in these products, please ask questions and demand clear answers. A list of sample questions that may be helpful is attached.

As with any other type of potential investment, if a promoter guarantees returns, if an opportunity sounds too good to be true, or if you are pressured to act quickly, please exercise extreme caution and be aware of the risk that your investment may be lost.

Please also recognize that these markets span national borders and that significant trading may occur on systems and platforms outside the United States. Your invested funds may quickly travel overseas without your knowledge. As a result, risks can be amplified, including the risk that market regulators, such as the SEC, may not be able to effectively pursue bad actors or recover funds.

To learn more about these markets and their regulation, please read the “Additional Discussion of Cryptocurrencies, ICOs and Securities Regulation” section below.

Considerations for Market Professionals

I believe that initial coin offerings – whether they represent offerings of securities or not – can be effective ways for entrepreneurs and others to raise funding, including for innovative projects. However, any such activity that involves an offering of securities must be accompanied by the important disclosures, processes and other investor protections that our securities laws require. A change in the structure of a securities offering does not change the fundamental point that when a security is being offered, our securities laws must be followed.[4] Said another way, replacing a traditional corporate interest recorded in a central ledger with an enterprise interest recorded through a blockchain entry on a distributed ledger may change the form of the transaction, but it does not change the substance.

I urge market professionals, including securities lawyers, accountants and consultants, to read closely the investigative report we released earlier this year (the “21(a) Report”)[5] and review our subsequent enforcement actions.[6] In the 21(a) Report, the Commission applied longstanding securities law principles to demonstrate that a particular token constituted an investment contract and therefore was a security under our federal securities laws. Specifically, we concluded that the token offering represented an investment of money in a common enterprise with a reasonable expectation of profits to be derived from the entrepreneurial or managerial efforts of others.

Following the issuance of the 21(a) Report, certain market professionals have attempted to highlight utility characteristics of their proposed initial coin offerings in an effort to claim that their proposed tokens or coins are not securities. Many of these assertions appear to elevate form over substance. Merely calling a token a “utility” token or structuring it to provide some utility does not prevent the token from being a security. Tokens and offerings that incorporate features and marketing efforts that emphasize the potential for profits based on the entrepreneurial or managerial efforts of others continue to contain the hallmarks of a security under U.S. law. On this and other points where the application of expertise and judgment is expected, I believe that gatekeepers and others, including securities lawyers, accountants and consultants, need to focus on their responsibilities. I urge you to be guided by the principal motivation for our registration, offering process and disclosure requirements: investor protection and, in particular, the protection of our Main Street investors.

I also caution market participants against promoting or touting the offer and sale of coins without first determining whether the securities laws apply to those actions. Selling securities generally requires a license, and experience shows that excessive touting in thinly traded and volatile markets can be an indicator of “scalping,” “pump and dump” and other manipulations and frauds. Similarly, I also caution those who operate systems and platforms that effect or facilitate transactions in these products that they may be operating unregistered exchanges or broker-dealers that are in violation of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

On cryptocurrencies, I want to emphasize two points. First, while there are cryptocurrencies that do not appear to be securities, simply calling something a “currency” or a currency-based product does not mean that it is not a security. Before launching a cryptocurrency or a product with its value tied to one or more cryptocurrencies, its promoters must either (1) be able to demonstrate that the currency or product is not a security or (2) comply with applicable registration and other requirements under our securities laws. Second, brokers, dealers and other market participants that allow for payments in cryptocurrencies, allow customers to purchase cryptocurrencies on margin, or otherwise use cryptocurrencies to facilitate securities transactions should exercise particular caution, including ensuring that their cryptocurrency activities are not undermining their anti-money laundering and know-your-customer obligations.[7] As I have stated previously, these market participants should treat payments and other transactions made in cryptocurrency as if cash were being handed from one party to the other.

Additional Discussion of Cryptocurrencies, ICOs and Securities Regulation

Cryptocurrencies. Speaking broadly, cryptocurrencies purport to be items of inherent value (similar, for instance, to cash or gold) that are designed to enable purchases, sales and other financial transactions. They are intended to provide many of the same functions as long-established currencies such as the U.S. dollar, euro or Japanese yen but do not have the backing of a government or other body. Although the design and maintenance of cryptocurrencies differ, proponents of cryptocurrencies highlight various potential benefits and features of them, including (1) the ability to make transfers without an intermediary and without geographic limitation, (2) finality of settlement, (3) lower transaction costs compared to other forms of payment and (4) the ability to publicly verify transactions. Other often-touted features of cryptocurrencies include personal anonymity and the absence of government regulation or oversight. Critics of cryptocurrencies note that these features may facilitate illicit trading and financial transactions, and that some of the purported beneficial features may not prove to be available in practice.

It has been asserted that cryptocurrencies are not securities and that the offer and sale of cryptocurrencies are beyond the SEC’s jurisdiction. Whether that assertion proves correct with respect to any digital asset that is labeled as a cryptocurrency will depend on the characteristics and use of that particular asset. In any event, it is clear that, just as the SEC has a sharp focus on how U.S. dollar, euro and Japanese yen transactions affect our securities markets, we have the same interests and responsibilities with respect to cryptocurrencies. This extends, for example, to securities firms and other market participants that allow payments to be made in cryptocurrencies, set up structures to invest in or hold cryptocurrencies, or extend credit to customers to purchase or hold cryptocurrencies.

Initial Coin Offerings. Coinciding with the substantial growth in cryptocurrencies, companies and individuals increasingly have been using initial coin offerings to raise capital for their businesses and projects. Typically these offerings involve the opportunity for individual investors to exchange currency such as U.S. dollars or cryptocurrencies in return for a digital asset labeled as a coin or token.

These offerings can take many different forms, and the rights and interests a coin is purported to provide the holder can vary widely. A key question for all ICO market participants: “Is the coin or token a security?” As securities law practitioners know well, the answer depends on the facts. For example, a token that represents a participation interest in a book-of-the-month club may not implicate our securities laws, and may well be an efficient way for the club’s operators to fund the future acquisition of books and facilitate the distribution of those books to token holders. In contrast, many token offerings appear to have gone beyond this construct and are more analogous to interests in a yet-to-be-built publishing house with the authors, books and distribution networks all to come. It is especially troubling when the promoters of these offerings emphasize the secondary market trading potential of these tokens. Prospective purchasers are being sold on the potential for tokens to increase in value – with the ability to lock in those increases by reselling the tokens on a secondary market – or to otherwise profit from the tokens based on the efforts of others. These are key hallmarks of a security and a securities offering.

By and large, the structures of initial coin offerings that I have seen promoted involve the offer and sale of securities and directly implicate the securities registration requirements and other investor protection provisions of our federal securities laws. Generally speaking, these laws provide that investors deserve to know what they are investing in and the relevant risks involved.

I have asked the SEC’s Division of Enforcement to continue to police this area vigorously and recommend enforcement actions against those that conduct initial coin offerings in violation of the federal securities laws.

Conclusion

We at the SEC are committed to promoting capital formation. The technology on which cryptocurrencies and ICOs are based may prove to be disruptive, transformative and efficiency enhancing. I am confident that developments in fintech will help facilitate capital formation and provide promising investment opportunities for institutional and Main Street investors alike.

I encourage Main Street investors to be open to these opportunities, but to ask good questions, demand clear answers and apply good common sense when doing so. When advising clients, designing products and engaging in transactions, market participants and their advisers should thoughtfully consider our laws, regulations and guidance, as well as our principles-based securities law framework, which has served us well in the face of new developments for more than 80 years. I also encourage market participants and their advisers to engage with the SEC staff to aid in their analysis under the securities laws. Staff providing assistance on these matters remain available at FinTech@sec.gov .

Sample Questions for Investors Considering a Cryptocurrency or ICO
Investment Opportunity[8]

Who exactly am I contracting with?
Who is issuing and sponsoring the product, what are their backgrounds, and have they provided a full and complete description of the product? Do they have a clear written business plan that I understand?
Who is promoting or marketing the product, what are their backgrounds, and are they licensed to sell the product? Have they been paid to promote the product?
Where is the enterprise located?
Where is my money going and what will be it be used for? Is my money going to be used to “cash out” others?
What specific rights come with my investment?
Are there financial statements? If so, are they audited, and by whom?
Is there trading data? If so, is there some way to verify it?
How, when, and at what cost can I sell my investment? For example, do I have a right to give the token or coin back to the company or to receive a refund? Can I resell the coin or token, and if so, are there any limitations on my ability to resell?
If a digital wallet is involved, what happens if I lose the key? Will I still have access to my investment?
If a blockchain is used, is the blockchain open and public? Has the code been published, and has there been an independent cybersecurity audit?
Has the offering been structured to comply with the securities laws and, if not, what implications will that have for the stability of the enterprise and the value of my investment?
What legal protections may or may not be available in the event of fraud, a hack, malware, or a downturn in business prospects? Who will be responsible for refunding my investment if something goes wrong?
If I do have legal rights, can I effectively enforce them and will there be adequate funds to compensate me if my rights are violated?

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-12-2017 07:07 AM

Litecoin $316 this morning.

Jewish Rabbi 12-12-2017 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13278046)
Litecoin $316 this morning.

I thought it would stop around $200. Great purchase thus far, hopefully the rebound isn’t too large.

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-12-2017 08:20 AM

$373 now

Luke Atamadong 12-12-2017 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 13278056)
I thought it would stop around $200. Great purchase thus far, hopefully the rebound isn’t too large.

Bought 22 LTC on 11/12//17 for 1300.00 Now worth 7150.00
Bought 6.7 LTC 12/10/17 fir 1000.00 Now worth 2211.00

That's what I'm talking bout boys!

BossChief 12-12-2017 08:48 AM

Bitcoin 17100
Ethereum 588
Litecoin 378

Luke Atamadong 12-12-2017 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 13278144)
Bitcoin 17100
Ethereum 588
Litecoin 378

That must be coinbase prices huh?
Those are always too high. Get the HODL app and set it with bittrex prices. It will be more accurate for you.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-12-2017 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13272230)
My kid says, Dad can you just get me one Bitcoin for Christmas ?

My reply:

Look $14375 is an awful lot of money. My dad never gave me $13,427 , there's no way you're getting $15,955

Shoulds got him 10 lite coin

Pasta Little Brioni 12-12-2017 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 10201965)
Here's an idea: Why don't you give me half the money your were gonna to invest, then we'll go out back, I'll kick you in the nuts, and we'll call it a day?

****ing buffoons ROFL Hopefully teedybya still has his 25 BC

MahiMike 12-12-2017 10:27 AM

Litecoin and Ethereum buys and sells are temporarily disabled
Litecoin and Ethereum buys and sells are temporarily disabled. We apologize for any inconvenience.

--coinbase

BWillie 12-12-2017 11:17 AM

Guys, just deposit on a gambling website. Gambol a lil bit then withdraw to btc. Some sites even let you withdraw to eth, ltc etc

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-12-2017 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13278399)
Guys, just deposit on a gambling website. Gambol a lil bit then withdraw to btc. Some sites even let you withdraw to eth, ltc etc

I don't like gambling so I'm buying Litecoins instead

Rain Man 12-12-2017 12:17 PM

Honest question here, and give me the straight scoop. Some of you guys have been on this case for a while. The trading value is up 2,000% or some such thing this year. Has anyone on this site made a ton of money? What's your net profit if you've invested, and is it profit that you've cashed in, or is it still on paper?

TambaBerry 12-12-2017 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 12915360)
siacoin guys, buy it right now high risk high reward cryptocurrency. im dropping 500$ on it

This has been the only cryptocurrency ive been wrong about so far

TambaBerry 12-12-2017 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13278545)
Honest question here, and give me the straight scoop. Some of you guys have been on this case for a while. The trading value is up 2,000% or some such thing this year. Has anyone on this site made a ton of money? What's your net profit if you've invested, and is it profit that you've cashed in, or is it still on paper?

I bought in about 2500 dollars this year, when Ethereum first pumped to around 300 something dollars I cashed out about 4k. I kept the other 5 in and its all over different currencies. I need to figure out what I have to do for taxes this year on these.

Rain Man 12-12-2017 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 13278558)
I bought in about 2500 dollars this year, when Ethereum first pumped to around 300 something dollars I cashed out about 4k. I kept the other 5 in and its all over different currencies. I need to figure out what I have to do for taxes this year on these.

So you roughly tripled your money this year? $2,500 to $9,000? That's awesome.

Imon Yourside 12-12-2017 12:29 PM

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TambaBerry 12-12-2017 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13278567)
So you roughly tripled your money this year? $2,500 to $9,000? That's awesome.

I paid off a credit card and my initial investment. That way if I lose all of the money i have in there I can tell myself at least it was profits.

Demonpenz 12-12-2017 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13278567)
So you roughly tripled your money this year? $2,500 to $9,000? That's awesome.

I know you are a numbers guy but today I pulled out my money just to ensure that I zig when everyone zags. I hear all the time be scared when people are greedy. I executed that today. I am sure everyone else will be driving lambos now.

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-12-2017 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13278545)
Honest question here, and give me the straight scoop. Some of you guys have been on this case for a while. The trading value is up 2,000% or some such thing this year. Has anyone on this site made a ton of money? What's your net profit if you've invested, and is it profit that you've cashed in, or is it still on paper?

I've bought and sold GBTC several times and profited around $1000 total. I'm back in this morning and up about $800 for the day. I've just been nervous about leaving it open so have been selling it.

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-12-2017 01:45 PM

ChiefRocka doesn't come around much anymore. I think he needs better WiFi on his Yacht.

Rain Man 12-12-2017 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 13278782)
I know you are a numbers guy but today I pulled out my money just to ensure that I zig when everyone zags. I hear all the time be scared when people are greedy. I executed that today. I am sure everyone else will be driving lambos now.

Did you make a profit? And was it significant? Like, enough to rent a Lambo for a day?

Rain Man 12-12-2017 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13278785)
I've bought and sold GBTC several times and profited around $1000 total. I'm back in this morning and up about $800 for the day. I've just been nervous about leaving it open so have been selling it.

Ah. So play money, then. Probably not a bad strategy, ignoring the 2,000 percent return this year. (I have zero in it, so you're smarter than me.)

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13278810)
ChiefRocka doesn't come around much anymore. I think he needs better WiFi on his Yacht.

Did he invest heavily?

I'm curious with the gains the way they are. I was wondering if any CPers made big money, like $100K+ or $1M+.

wutamess 12-12-2017 02:09 PM

I made $4500. Dumped $15k in GBTC at $1053/share end of August. About ready to shit myself once it went down to like $500/share shortly after but I wasn't going to touch that money anyways so I let it ride. Cashed out a couple of weeks ago when it hit $1350 and kicking myself ever since.

Just dumped $10k on bitcoin (bought in at $16.1K) it's been up and down but I'm waiting for my 7 days to be done (12/14) with so the transaction can settle and I can hopefully start "daytrading" with my bitcoin wallet and such.

Planning on buying Litecoin but can't put any more money into coinbase until my transaction settles from last week.

So as of right now I've profited $4500. And currently up about $1000 since my bitcoin purchase.

Could've doubled my $15k GBTC investment if I would've been even more patient.

Rain Man 12-12-2017 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 13278888)
I made $4500. Dumped $15k in GBTC at $1053/share end of August. About ready to shit myself once it went down to like $500/share shortly after but I wasn't going to touch that money anyways so I let it ride. Cashed out a couple of weeks ago when it hit $1350 and kicking myself ever since.

Just dumped $10k on bitcoin (bought in at $16.1K) it's been up and down but I'm waiting for my 7 days to be done (12/14) with so the transaction can settle and I can hopefully start "daytrading" with my bitcoin wallet and such.

Planning on buying Litecoin but can't put any more money into coinbase until my transaction settles from last week.

So as of right now I've profited $4500. And currently up about $1000 since my bitcoin purchase.

Could've doubled my $15k GBTC investment if I would've been even more patient.

Well, even though the lost opportunity has to sting a little, that's still a strong win.

MagicHef 12-12-2017 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13278545)
Honest question here, and give me the straight scoop. Some of you guys have been on this case for a while. The trading value is up 2,000% or some such thing this year. Has anyone on this site made a ton of money? What's your net profit if you've invested, and is it profit that you've cashed in, or is it still on paper?

My first purchase was at the beginning of November, and I've made a number of small purchases since then. So far I've put in a total of $5,650 and it's now worth $11,000. Not bad for a month.

Luke Atamadong 12-12-2017 02:32 PM

The whole thing just blows me away. We were so poor growing up we barely had food some days and now to see money like this is just surreal.

Jewish Rabbi 12-12-2017 02:41 PM

I know Rain Man has no ill intentions, but it isn’t the smartest to disclose on a public forum how much crypto you hold.

kepp 12-12-2017 02:52 PM

So are you guys buying this on GDAX or with one of the wallet services? I'm obviously a noob.

scho63 12-12-2017 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 13267388)
How crazy would this be if all along this was really the North Koreans or Nigerians were Satashi Nakamoto and they are going to be mega billionaires with the greatest scam ever?

Just went by $18,000 as I type and then plummeted until $17,000

North Korea may be making a fortune from bitcoin mania
by Sherisse Pham @Sherisse
December 12, 2017: 4:37 AM ET

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/12/tech...ard/index.html

Speculators aren't the only ones cheering the runaway bitcoin boom -- North Korean leader Kim Jong Un may also be celebrating a windfall.

In recent months, experts and officials say North Korea has been "mining" bitcoin, demanding it as ransom payment and outright stealing the digital currency.

"It is a fact that North Korea has been attacking virtual currency exchanges," said Lee Dong-geun, a director with South Korea's state-run Korea Internet and Security Agency. "We don't know how much North Korea has stolen so far, but we do know that the police have confirmed the regime's hacking attempts."

North Korean hackers targeted four different exchanges that trade bitcoin and other digital currencies in South Korea in July and August, sending malicious emails to employees, according to police.

Bitcoin is a type of cryptocurrency that lives on computer servers. The virtual coins are "mined" by complex algorithms and recorded in a digital ledger.

Experts say it's unclear how much bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies North Korea has amassed.
"It's reasonable to assume some -- and the value is increasing significantly at the moment," said Bryce Boland, Singapore-based chief technology officer with cybersecurity firm FireEye.

Experts say the attacks are likely to continue as bitcoin's price skyrockets. It started the year below $1,000 but has soared more than 1,500%, crossing $17,000 for the first time last week.

It's not just bitcoin's dizzying gains that make it appealing to North Korea.

The digital currency was designed to operate outside of the control of governments or banks. That's likely to appeal to North Korea at a time when the U.S. is stepping up efforts to cut the country out of the international financial system over its nuclear weapons program.

It has also proved popular in the past with criminals because of the amount of anonymity it allows. Bitcoin isn't tied to any central bank, and payments can be made anonymously without using banks as middlemen.

That could help North Korea convert its stash into money it can more easily use.
Bitcoins are often held in accounts with online exchanges. But Boland points out that hackers can easily swap them into more obscure cryptocurrencies, move them to other exchanges and eventually withdraw them in traditional currencies like dollars.

"They could do those transactions very quickly ... and avoid traceability of the cash," Boland said.

North Korea has repeatedly denied involvement in international hacking attacks. But it has made no secret of its interest in bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

Last month, the Pyongyang University of Science and Technology touted a lecture from a bitcoin expert who came to North Korea to teach students about the technology behind the digital currency. The university is a high-profile institution where scions of the North Korean elite study.

"Many excellent technical questions were asked about the inner working of bitcoin, its risks, and the measures taken to ensure security," the university said.

Boland said FireEye believes North Korea is "developing a significant number of people who understand bitcoin so they can expand their operations."

That's likely to mean more attacks on exchanges and other cryptocurrency targets.

-- Taehoon Lee contributed to this report.

Jewish Rabbi 12-12-2017 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke Atamadong (Post 13278963)
The whole thing just blows me away. We were so poor growing up we barely had food some days and now to see money like this is just surreal.

I understand diversifying your portfolio, but I truly hope for your sake that your day trading days are done, because you don't seem to be very good at it. If you had put $10,000 in BTC on April 1st and left it, you'd now have ~ $160,000, not even counting your BCash or Bitcoin Gold.

ETH would be ~$128k, LTC ~$460k.

BWillie 12-12-2017 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13278545)
Honest question here, and give me the straight scoop. Some of you guys have been on this case for a while. The trading value is up 2,000% or some such thing this year. Has anyone on this site made a ton of money? What's your net profit if you've invested, and is it profit that you've cashed in, or is it still on paper?

Are you a cop?

I'd rather not comment on the exact amount I've profited or have total (for obvious reasons) but life is going great right now. If I can 2.5x what I have right now I think I would be considered actually legitimately rich.

Luke Atamadong 12-12-2017 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 13279041)
I understand diversifying your portfolio, but I truly hope for your sake that your day trading days are done, because you don't seem to be very good at it. If you had put $10,000 in BTC on April 1st and left it, you'd now have ~ $160,000, not even counting your BCash or Bitcoin Gold.

ETH would be ~$128k, LTC ~$460k.

No I'm not very good at it, but I had a bunch of shitcoins like DGB and XRP and rode those up and then held them like an idiot while they went down.
I didn't have any BTC or LTC and very few ether.

RunKC 12-12-2017 03:26 PM

Is it worth investing at this point?

Jewish Rabbi 12-12-2017 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13279074)
Is it worth investing at this point?

My crystal ball isn't the most accurate, but I think we will still see significant gains.

MIAdragon 12-12-2017 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke Atamadong (Post 13279066)
No I'm not very good at it, but I had a bunch of shitcoins like DGB and XRP and rode those up and then held them like an idiot while they went down.
I didn't have any BTC or LTC and very few ether.

Xrp is going to make me a decent amount of money.

Luke Atamadong 12-12-2017 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13279074)
Is it worth investing at this point?

Hell yes man. I dunno if I would buy anything that just ran up to ATH, but buy the dips

Luke Atamadong 12-12-2017 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 13279080)
Xrp is going to make me a decent amount of money.

I'm still holding a decent position

Jewish Rabbi 12-12-2017 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13279052)
Are you a cop?

I'd rather not comment on the exact amount I've profited or have total (for obvious reasons) but life is going great right now. If I can 2.5x what I have right now I think I would be considered actually legitimately rich.

Damn. Good for you. Not to say I'm not a little envious. I'd imagine most serious poker players are in a similar boat. That Black Friday thing kinda worked out after all.

TambaBerry 12-12-2017 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 13279080)
Xrp is going to make me a decent amount of money.

I was just about to say this, dont sell your XRP

Jewish Rabbi 12-12-2017 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke Atamadong (Post 13279081)
Hell yes man. I dunno if I would buy anything that just ran up to ATH, but buy the dips

Everything is at an ATH. You may wait 2 weeks for the "dip", which is actually more than it is right now. If you're going to get in, unless it's a huge amount, I wouldn't worry about dips or dollar cost averaging, I'd just put it in and get started.

Rain Man 12-12-2017 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 13278981)
I know Rain Man has no ill intentions, but it isn’t the smartest to disclose on a public forum how much crypto you hold.

Is it not legal to hold it? Or is there some other danger? I assumed it was just like any other investment at this point, other than the "not really a thing" part.

Jewish Rabbi 12-12-2017 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13279123)
Is it not legal to hold it? Or is there some other danger? I assumed it was just like any other investment at this point, other than the "not really a thing" part.

Just the dangers of hackers, etc. It's kind of like cash, once it's gone there's no getting it back, unlike a bank/brokerage account which can be recovered.

Munson 12-12-2017 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 13279080)
Xrp is going to make me a decent amount of money.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 13279088)
I was just about to say this, dont sell your XRP

I was looking at XRP last night when it was about 24 cents. Now it is up to 38 cents.

If it wasn't such a pain in the ass to register an account on an exchange, I would've bought $1,000 worth of XRP.

MIAdragon 12-12-2017 05:54 PM

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My 8yr old in cutting her teeth in investing, here is her young portfolio. She’s quite proud of herself.

Demonpenz 12-12-2017 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13278866)
Did you make a profit? And was it significant? Like, enough to rent a Lambo for a day?

I bought high and sold low early in the game because I am not used to the emotional game. I did buy 3. LITcoin for a hundred a piece and now that is worth a thousand. With the Shit ton of fees I am probably ahead a little bit.

Demonpenz 12-12-2017 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 13279379)
My 8yr old in cutting her teeth in investing, here is her young portfolio. She’s quite proud of herself.

Good lord

ThaVirus 12-12-2017 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 13278981)
I know Rain Man has no ill intentions


Do you?

Guy talks a bit too much about Von Miller to not actually be Von Miller. I’m leery.

Jewish Rabbi 12-12-2017 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 13279743)
Do you?

Guy talks a bit too much about Von Miller to not actually be Von Miller. I’m leery.

Good point... (looks suspiciously at Rain Man)

BossChief 12-12-2017 11:18 PM

Cointelegraph has been crazy spot on with their analysis and predicted the run of Ethereum to 650+ a couple weeks ago before it was even 350, predicted the run on Bitcoin to 17k and now has a pattern target for Bitcoin of a little over 24,000.

Get your money in before it’s too late.

I suggest everyone here to read that site daily and to religiously follow their recommendations for when to buy and sell.

BossChief 12-12-2017 11:24 PM

https://cointelegraph.com/news/price...-litecoin-dash

BossChief 12-12-2017 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 13249106)
https://cointelegraph.com/news/price...ipple-litecoin

That’s the analysis I was basing my plan on.


This is a great read from nov 25th saying Ethereum would dip to “420 levels” after breaking out before resuming its bull run to 652. https://cointelegraph.com/news/price...-litecoin-dash

Everything so far has gone exactly how they say it would...it dipped from 515 to 410 today and has already recovered to 461. In the same day.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 13219297)
https://cointelegraph.com/news/massi...rading-bitcoin

Man group and CME will take bitcoin up over 10k.

I️ still think Ethereum will be 5-600 by mid january

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 13221278)
I️ still think Ethereum is gonna end up worth thousands and when it jumps in price it’s gonna happen very quickly.

I’m surprised it’s not over 500 by now.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 13235158)
Ethereum got up to 445 today after Casper launched and it should get above 500 in the next week. Cointelegraph is advising heavy buy if it corrects to 400 and says the most likely scenario is to go above 500 with a target objective of 665!

And it played out exactly how they said it would

Couch-Potato 12-13-2017 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 13279379)
My 8yr old in cutting her teeth in investing, here is her young portfolio. She’s quite proud of herself.

I'm proud of her too

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-13-2017 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 13280091)
And it played out exactly how they said it would

I know this has probably been asked a dozen times through this thread but how are you guys buying the ALT coins ? Coinbase only offers the main 3.

Jewish Rabbi 12-13-2017 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13280246)
I know this has probably been asked a dozen times through this thread but how are you guys buying the ALT coins ? Coinbase only offers the main 3.

I use Poloniex. Buy BTC thru Coinbase/GDAX and transfer to Poloniex. Then you can transfer into Alts.

Buckweath 12-13-2017 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13280246)
I know this has probably been asked a dozen times through this thread but how are you guys buying the ALT coins ? Coinbase only offers the main 3.

You transfer your ether or bitcoin to Binance or Bitflinex and buy altcoins.

kepp 12-13-2017 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 13280286)
You transfer your ether or bitcoin to Binance or Bitflinex and buy altcoins.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 13280249)
I use Poloniex. Buy BTC thru Coinbase/GDAX and transfer to Poloniex. Then you can transfer into Alts.

Can you just by alt coins directly?

Sofa King 12-13-2017 10:45 PM

How are you buying the XRP? The same way?

TambaBerry 12-14-2017 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 13282175)
How are you buying the XRP? The same way?

it might be coming to coinbase soon

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-14-2017 07:53 AM

Just a warning: I googled up"How to store your Cryptocurrency offline" and read through 2 sites that popped up with instruction this past Monday and one of them hit me with Ransomware.

Luke Atamadong 12-14-2017 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13282511)
Just a warning: I googled up"How to store your Cryptocurrency offline" and read through 2 sites that popped up with instruction this past Monday and one of them hit me with Ransomware.

Get a Ledger Nano S
They're only like 70 bucks on ebay.

kepp 12-14-2017 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke Atamadong (Post 13282533)
Get a Ledger Nano S
They're only like 70 bucks on ebay.

From what I've read so far, the cryptocurrency arena is basically the wild west at this point, right? No regulation and it seems its not even illegal to "mine" (read 'steal') others' currency. I take it that's why these offline storage devices are popular.

TambaBerry 12-14-2017 09:15 AM

ripple is exploding

Rausch 12-14-2017 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 13279079)
My crystal ball isn't the most accurate, but I think we will still see significant gains.

Buying high isn't the best strategy but the coins aren't going away.


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