Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 5934694)

Last 4 seasons as head coach: 19-45

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5934652)

Title of this thread should be "To Chiefsplanet:"

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5933608)

I'm tired of all the blame going to Herm. Yes, Herm had his share of blunders but the amount of hate that he gets is ridiculous. The biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating the impact of Jared Allen. And I did too at the time. In 2007, the Chiefs almost had a top 10 defense despite their terrible offense. We know what happened in 2008. But we are quick to forget the defense of 2007. I'm not saying the Herm was a great coach, but he is not as bad as some here believe.

Just to irritate you, lets take a look at what might have been if Herm had stuck around.

-First the acquisition of Cassell never happens. Herm sticks with Thigpen and Gailey runs the system that worked well in the latter half of the season.

-The switch to the 3-4 never happens and the Chiefs continue to run a 4-3 defense.

-Most likely, no notable free agents are picked up.

-Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs.

-The draft rolls around and Herm takes the safe route as usual and picks the following players:

1. Aaron Curry
2. Everette Brown (Herm likes this pick bc of the desperate need for a pass rusher to replace Jared Allen who was lost in 07 and the success of another small DE Dwight Freeney with the Colts where his role model Tony Dungy coached.)
3. Antione Caldwell (Mal Moore leadership award winner is drafted here) Herm kinda player. And can play all line positions but primarily C or G.
4. Louis Murphy (Herm picks a wide out for the needed depth and Murphy provide some speed.)
5. Jasper Brinkley (Tough middle linebacker probably starts.)
6. Andrew Gardner (RT tackle pushes or replaces McIntosh)
7. Captain Munnerlyn (CB and returner)
7. Ricky Jean-Francois (depth at DT)
7. Ryan Succop K


And to top it off. After speaking with Tony Dungy about Michael Vick, who has been mentoring Vick, Herm trusts Dungy and decides to give Vick a shot at backing up Tyler Thigpen.


Would all of this happened... probably not, but it is interesting to think about what might have been if Herm and Carl would have stayed. Again, I don't think Herm is great and I definitely don't think Carl was good, but I do wonder what might have happened. I do like the draft above much better than our current one, and I do like that we still would have Tony G.

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5933649)

Wrong again. Herm said he would have taken Curry on ESPN.

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5934772)

I think Herm gets a bit of a raw deal as well. I am happy that he is gone, but I do think he could have succeeded given different circumstances.

With that said, peoples minds are made up about Herm. And, given that he is no longer coaching in the NFL.... and the fact that he isn't pursuing a job, and that no team will be bending over backwards to get him..... his legacy is set.

The best thing that can happen for Herm is that fans forget him. Even if he was right on all the draft picks, the haters will give the new coaches more credit. Even if he was wrong on all the draft picks, the Herm supporters will blame the new coaches and new schemes.

It is very hard to be unbiased with anything to do with sports, especially if it is your favorite team.

Starting threads like this will just continue to perpetuate the hate. The best thing that can happen is for the Chiefs to have a good year, and put the optimism in the future and Herm in the past.

Again, not saying you don't have any meritt with the post, just pointing out that some battles are pointless.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5934511)

Clock management is one of the worst handled things in the NFL. You'd almost think these guys should play Madden for a couple hours and they might figure it out. When a Madden player can manage the clock better than an NFL coach, that's a problem.

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 5934851)

Yes, because playing a ****ing video game is just like being on the sideline during an NFL game. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by D2112 (Post 5934866)

I'll leave it at this. watching a Herm coached team made you feel hopeless. and it was also like being water boarded or tortured. even if he had the greatest talent in the world he wouldn't change his stubborn idiotic way of coaching.

Put Joe Montana at qb....the hogs for an o line and Jerry Rice and Paul Warfield at wr and he would still coach the same exact way hes been coaching.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5934476)

"As much"?

Carl Peterson ****ed this team up well before Herm ever came into town. Herm didn't do a great job of coaching, but Carl Peterson did a horrendous job in general management. Peterson deserves the majority of the blame. It amazes me that people actually struggle to see how bad of shape Peterson left this team after Vermeil left. No coach could have turned this team into a winner in those three years.

Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 5934875)

Agreed. Case in point was the Colts playoff game. He kept jamming LJ into the line gaining nothing. But he kept doing it even into 9 in the box. Herm doesn't understand adjustments to what the other team is doing. Herm just doesn't get it.

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 5934884)

Bullshit! Herm was a complete **** up, with a lot of lip service and not action.