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raybec 4 04-05-2023 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16891445)
This video popped up on my youtube algorithm and I'm only posting it because its the only time I've seen O'Neill's entire run from 2nd to home.

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I dunno. If you are going to say he was dogging it around 3rd you are going to have to say he was dogging it the whole time because I dont see any real speed change the entire time.

Pop ****ed up by sending him, Marmol is just totally ****ing this whole thing up. There's nothing good going on in that clubhouse right now.

jd1020 04-05-2023 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16891478)
Pop ****ed up by sending him, Marmol is just totally ****ing this whole thing up. There's nothing good going on in that clubhouse right now.

I'm sure they have stats on his average 2nd to home times so the pretty easy determination would be to compare that time to his average and see if there's a major discrepancy.

Either way, acting like Marmol is probably the easiest way to destroy a clubhouse.

**** it. I'll take O'Neill. Not like I have anything better to watch.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-05-2023 09:18 PM

Not to play the telephone game too much, but a friend of a friend works for Bally and they were sitting by Izzy a few weeks ago at a bar. He called Marmol a, "one who sucks the penis" who is terrible with the media, so he may be losing friends quickly.

BigRedChief 04-05-2023 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16891567)
I'm sure they have stats on his average 2nd to home times so the pretty easy determination would be to compare that time to his average and see if there's a major discrepancy.

Either way, acting like Marmol is probably the easiest way to destroy a clubhouse.

**** it. I'll take O'Neill. Not like I have anything better to watch.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 16891720)
Not to play the telephone game too much, but a friend of a friend works for Bally and they were sitting by Izzy a few weeks ago at a bar. He called Marmol a, "one who sucks the penis" who is terrible with the media, so he may be losing friends quickly.

I have no idea why he is calling out a player publicly. No way that makes things better or improves his attitude.

DJ's left nut 04-06-2023 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16891752)
I have no idea why he is calling out a player publicly. No way that makes things better or improves his attitude.

This is who he is.

Did the same this with Knizner last year. Put the ****ing major league minimum backup C on blast for not hitting when he was being asked to fill in for Yafo's tubby ass when he was chilling in Puerto Rico.

He's an asshole. He's always been an asshole. And he's awful at his job.

But the only thing you can do to lose your job in STL is cross Mozeliak and it's clear there are no 'philosophical differences' between this lot so Marmol will be fine.

Ocotillo 04-06-2023 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16891478)
Pop ****ed up by sending him, Marmol is just totally ****ing this whole thing up. There's nothing good going on in that clubhouse right now.

O'Neill wasn't even benched in the game!

raybec 4 04-06-2023 12:25 PM

Of course the Post-Dispatch is carrying the water for Ollie. They're putting O'Neill in a bad light. This won't end well for him or the team.

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/colu...55a5dada0.html

DJ's left nut 04-06-2023 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16892489)
Of course the Post-Dispatch is carrying the water for Ollie. They're putting O'Neill in a bad light. This won't end well for him or the team.

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/colu...55a5dada0.html

Yeah - he's getting traded for 50 cents on the dollar.

Here's the thing - they should've traded him last offseason. Or Carlson. They needed to move some OF depth for SP depth but Mozeliak is a pussy so they didn't.

But now he's a pussy with his hands tied so he'll do something. More critically, he's a pussy with an excuse to **** up again. Since he has the PD running cover for him, in the event it blows up in his face (as virtually all his moves do) he can say it was because O'Neill wasn't a Cardinal Way Player and the BFIB will lap that shit up.

Why do you think they dealt Bader after he was benched? Had Montgomery imploded and Bader been fantastic for NY, Mozeliak would've cited that benching as justification for the deal.

Everything -EVERYTHING - this organization does is with an eye on PR and the bottom line. It's all they care about anymore. Winning doesn't mean shit to Bill DeWitt and it's trickled down through the organizational structure.

This is simply a poorly run shop at this point.

Pasta Little Brioni 04-06-2023 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16892489)
Of course the Post-Dispatch is carrying the water for Ollie. They're putting O'Neill in a bad light. This won't end well for him or the team.

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/colu...55a5dada0.html

Pieces of shit

DJ's left nut 04-06-2023 12:57 PM

And of course Hochman buried the lede:

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And, frankly, the Cardinals have a much bigger issue than O’Neill’s baserunning in one specific instance — the starting pitching has extremely underachieved so far.
No shit, Benjamin - why do you THINK Marmol got marching orders to go scorched earth on this one? It's absolutely a flap designed to take column inches away from the shitshow that starting pitching is and should've been expected to be.

And it worked. It literally got one line in the very last paragraph of your column. A column that should be about how John Mozeliak has spent the better part of the last decade squandering organizational equity that took decades to build. This isn't a destination franchise anymore. The 'Cardinal Way' died with Mike Matheny and when you had a chance to revive it under Shildt, you decided to just set the corpse on fire instead.

The Cardinals are just another baseball team now. With just another of those owners who cares more about profits than pennants.

That's your ****ing story, Hochman.

But you keep on dancing to your Cardinal overlords - the checks will keep getting deposited every other Friday.

Marcellus 04-06-2023 01:03 PM

O'Neil probably wasn't running as hard as he could have, you still don't throw that out in the press, you just say we handle those type things internally if asked about it.

raybec 4 04-06-2023 05:56 PM

https://twitter.com/CJNitkowski/stat...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Over the past 3 seasons Tyler O&#39;Neill had gone 2B to home on a base hit 23 times. His average time was 7.52 seconds. He time was 7.31 on Tuesday...and then he was publicly called out and benched. New Loud Outs pod dropping on the real missteps in St. Louis later today.</p>&mdash; CJ (@CJNitkowski) <a href="https://twitter.com/CJNitkowski/status/1644010418262736896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

BigRedChief 04-06-2023 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16892978)
https://twitter.com/CJNitkowski/stat...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Over the past 3 seasons Tyler O&#39;Neill had gone 2B to home on a base hit 23 times. His average time was 7.52 seconds. He time was 7.31 on Tuesday...and then he was publicly called out and benched. New Loud Outs pod dropping on the real missteps in St. Louis later today.</p>&mdash; CJ (@CJNitkowski) <a href="https://twitter.com/CJNitkowski/status/1644010418262736896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

WTF? We deserve a real answer as to why O’Neill was called out so publicly. Calling out players publicly fails to motivate that one player but also hurts the clubhouse chemistry.

jd1020 04-07-2023 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16893273)
WTF? We deserve a real answer as to why O’Neill was called out so publicly. Calling out players publicly fails to motivate that one player but also hurts the clubhouse chemistry.

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DJ's left nut 04-07-2023 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16893273)
WTF? We deserve a real answer as to why O’Neill was called out so publicly. Calling out players publicly fails to motivate that one player but also hurts the clubhouse chemistry.

I already told you why.

Marmol needs to distract from his bosses failings. So he did.

More people are talking about O'Neill's lack of hustle than Mikolas pitching like he belongs in AA with a new $40 million extension in his pocket, aren't they?

They're running cover and throwing a player under the bus to get it done. A player they don't intend to pay when he hits FA anyway so it's no skin off their ass if they blast him publicly.


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