Pulled nail out of tire but no leak. Plug it or not?

[BigRichard]

I was doing some work on my car and had the tires off of it. I noticed one of the tires had a nail in it. I was going to plug it but once I pulled the nail out I found it was only a short piece of nail, maybe a 1/4 inch, and after a squirt bottle test I don't see any air bubbles. Should I go ahead and ream it out and plug it or should I just leave it as is?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Leave it. It'll be fine.

[In58men]

Leave it

[threebag]

Make a note of the location and check back periodically. Leave it for now unless you notice it's leaking

[threebag]

Leave it

Fuck... Plug it

[BigRichard]

****... Plug it

Lol... thanks for the advice.

[SAUTO]

I wouldn't put a hole all the way through if there isn't one.


And if there is i wouldn't plug it. Patch only IMO.

[TribalElder]

It won't show itself until you are running in the highway and the tire heats up LMAO

[Bugeater]

I wouldn't put a hole all the way through if there isn't one.


And if there is i wouldn't plug it. Patch only IMO.
Why are mechanics so against plugging? I've plugged lots of tires and never had an issue. Seems to work pretty damn well and it's easy to do it yourself.

[stumppy]

I wouldn't put a hole all the way through if there isn't one.


And if there is i wouldn't plug it. Patch only IMO.

This.

[Simply Red]

run-flats?

[cooper barrett]

If it did not have enough depth to get into the steel belt package then leave it alone. You did not tell us how much tread the tire had but if it is 1/4 inch and the tread is 1/4 inch (8/32) then it will be fine, just leave it alone.

Patching it will have no effect unless it leaks*** but if it did break/ get into the steel belt package then plug/patching it is in order., even without an air leak. You don't want water getting to the steel belts for obvious reasons.

***NO tire manufacturer recommends patching a hole. Don't listen to the ****ing idiots as patching/ or using an external plug voids the warranty and the liability of the manufacturer. If the tire is a run flat, contact the manufacturer as procedures vary.

[SAUTO]

Why are mechanics so against plugging? I've plugged lots of tires and never had an issue. Seems to work pretty damn well and it's easy to do it yourself.

https://www.tireindustry.org/tire-maintenance/tire-repair

[Bugeater]

https://www.tireindustry.org/tire-maintenance/tire-repair
Meh...so it may leak a little, that's why I have an air compressor in the garage.

What do you charge to patch a tire?

[Baby Lee]

Copy this method to the letter

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[SAUTO]

Meh...so it may leak a little, that's why I have an air compressor in the garage.

What do you charge to patch a tire?

13 and I only use plug -patches.

They aren't money makers.

[SAUTO]

If it did not have enough depth to get into the steel belt package then leave it alone. You did not tell us how much tread the tire had but if it is 1/4 inch and the tread is 1/4 inch (8/32) then it will be fine, just leave it alone.

Patching it will have no effect unless it leaks*** but if it did break/ get into the steel belt package then plug/patching it is in order., even without an air leak. You don't want water getting to the steel belts for obvious reasons.

***NO tire manufacturer recommends patching a hole. Don't listen to the ****ing idiots as patching/ or using an external plug voids the warranty and the liability of the manufacturer. If the tire is a run flat, contact the manufacturer as procedures vary.
:spock:

Sorry but I'm not sure any of this is actually correct...

Patching only makes the speed rating null and void.

[SAUTO]

http://us.coopertire.com/safety/safety-tips/proper-tire-repair.aspx

[TLO]

Always patch, never plug.

But in your case, you should be fine without doing either.

[Buehler445]

I wouldn't put a hole all the way through if there isn't one.


And if there is i wouldn't plug it. Patch only IMO.

Very much this. The only thing you plug is ATV tires. They don't have enough rubber to grind down and attach the patch to.

Don't plug shit man.

[Sorce]

Replace the tire...

[cooper barrett]

:spock:

Sorry but I'm not sure any of this is actually correct...

Patching only makes the speed rating null and void.

A patch voids the warranty of the tire. Send one in or get inspected for an adjustment and they through it out.

You are right a plug/patch combo retains warranty and can reduce the speed rating of super high performance tires, Every tire maker is slightly different. I don't think it would affect an S or T rated tire but a Z or W it's a given concern if you drive at rated speeds.

[BlackHelicopters]

No plug needed.

[cooper barrett]

http://us.coopertire.com/safety/safety-tips/proper-tire-repair.aspx

Did you read this?

It means you must use a combo of a plug and a patch or a plug/patch to repair or they no longer stand behind the tire.

Cooper tire written tech bulletin 108

http://us.coopertire.com/CooperTiresConsumer2013/media/Documents/Service_Bulletin_108_0914.pdf

Please note: ANY REPAIRABLE INJURY TO THE TIRE MUST BE FILLED AND THE INNER LINER
MUST BE PROPERLY SEALED WITH A PATCH!
FAILURE TO FOLLOW THE RMA RECOMMENDED PROCEDURES COULD LEAD TO SUDDEN
TIRE FAILURE!
We remind you that plug type repairs made from the outside of a tire, pressure sealants and “blowout
patches” are TEMPORARY repairs and should NOT be used except in emergencies. If such a
temporary repair is made, your customer should be clearly warned that the repair is temporary and
that they must drive cautiously to the nearest full service tire facility for a proper repair. Driving on an
improperly or temporarily repaired tire can lead to sudden tire failure.

[Pablo]

Shit. What was the name of that mechanic on here that sauto loved so much? We need that guy back.

[Miles]

I'd still get it looked at if any concern. I've been fucked with tires at an unreasonable rate though so a bit paranoid.

[SAUTO]

Did you read this?

It means you must use a combo of a plug and a patch or a plug/patch to repair or they no longer stand behind the tire.

Cooper tire written tech bulletin 108

http://us.coopertire.com/CooperTiresConsumer2013/media/Documents/Service_Bulletin_108_0914.pdf

Please note: ANY REPAIRABLE INJURY TO THE TIRE MUST BE FILLED AND THE INNER LINER
MUST BE PROPERLY SEALED WITH A PATCH!
FAILURE TO FOLLOW THE RMA RECOMMENDED PROCEDURES COULD LEAD TO SUDDEN
TIRE FAILURE!
We remind you that plug type repairs made from the outside of a tire, pressure sealants and “blowout
patches” are TEMPORARY repairs and should NOT be used except in emergencies. If such a
temporary repair is made, your customer should be clearly warned that the repair is temporary and
that they must drive cautiously to the nearest full service tire facility for a proper repair. Driving on an
improperly or temporarily repaired tire can lead to sudden tire failure.yeah i read it.

I've already stated that i ONLY use plug - patches, so when i say " patch" that's what I'm talking about

[Miles]

Haven't followed that close or probably never did to ask - who is this mult?

[TimeForWasp]

butt plug

[cooper barrett]

yeah i read it.

I've already stated that i ONLY use plug - patches, so when i say " patch" that's what I'm talking about

Those of us from the industry have gotten used to referencing Plug/patches as "Patches"



http://www.agcoauto.com/content/images/tires/tire_care_high_tech_patch.jpg

This is a installed plug/patch on a motorcycle tire and a plug patch before install. Any other method that does not fill the void, sealing water and air from the belt package, and sealing the inner lining, keeping air from both leaking out of the tire and from entering the belt package, voids both the tires manufactures warranty, liability, and the speed rating on all passenger and light truck tires.

Multiple repairs and severity affect the tires ability to preform at advanced speeds but every tire company is different as some maintain their speed ratings and others reduce or void then altogether.

[Buehler445]

Those of us from the industry have gotten used to referencing Plug/patches as "Patches"



http://www.agcoauto.com/content/images/tires/tire_care_high_tech_patch.jpg

This is a installed plug/patch on a motorcycle tire and a plug patch before install. Any other method that does not fill the void, sealing water and air from the belt package, and sealing the inner lining, keeping air from both leaking out of the tire and from entering the belt package, voids both the tires manufactures warranty, liability, and the speed rating on all passenger and light truck tires.

Multiple repairs and severity affect the tires ability to preform at advanced speeds but every tire company is different as some maintain their speed ratings and others reduce or void then altogether.

That's probably the proper way, but especially for small nails and wire and stuff, I'm not all about reaming a small hole into a bigger one.

[cooper barrett]

That's probably the proper way, but especially for small nails and wire and stuff, I'm not all about reaming a small hole into a bigger one.

I agree but that's how it's supposed to be done.

[threebag]

I live out in the sticks. I drive mostly on gravel roads. Plug kits are a life saver even though I would rather not use them.

[Road Hog]

Put the nail back in.

[Bugeater]

13 and I only use plug -patches.

They aren't money makers.
Yeah I think that's the problem. I can hardly find a shop anymore that will repair a tire and the ones that do charge more than that, enough that unless the tire is practically brand new or very expensive to replace it's barely worth it. So I bought a plug kit quite a while back and have used it a fair amount, but mostly on my old truck that had crap tires and was a work beater anyway. They've worked fine so far.

[Bugeater]

Haven't followed that close or probably never did to ask - who is this mult?
Someone you should already have on ignore.

[SAUTO]

Yeah I think that's the problem. I can hardly find a shop anymore that will repair a tire and the ones that do charge more than that, enough that unless the tire is practically brand new or very expensive to replace it's barely worth it. So I bought a plug kit quite a while back and have used it a fair amount, but mostly on my old truck that had crap tires and was a work beater anyway. They've worked fine so far.I've used them on my own stuff in a pinch.

[Demonpenz]

people still plug holes?

[Bugeater]

Ok while I have all the tire experts here, what's your take on this? A friend posted it on facebook a while back and I have to think that nail was intentionally put there. I don't see any way she could have ran over it and had it end up like this.

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[Graystoke]

Anti-Freeze

[Demonpenz]

anything is possible with women driving.

[SAUTO]

Ok while I have all the tire experts here, what's your take on this? A friend posted it on facebook a while back and I have to think that nail was intentionally put there. I don't see any way she could have ran over it and had it end up like this.

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20954034_10155044689046849_6910710016517819312_n.jpg?oh=07fc56abcab040b1e6df6e7a969a893d&oe=5A5E4BD2
Ive seen that exact thing many times. Its common. Only thing i can figure is the nail is standing on its head and the tire went right next to it. When the rubber flexed from the weight of the car the nail went in.

[threebag]

Or got bounced around in traffic and just stuck her tire

[SAUTO]

Or got bounced around in traffic and just stuck her tire

Not imo. I've literally seen that exact same thing multiple times. Look at the angle of the nail. Flex the tire out and the nail is standing straight up. And it just bouncing wouldn't have the power to penetrate the sidewall either

[Buehler445]

Ok while I have all the tire experts here, what's your take on this? A friend posted it on facebook a while back and I have to think that nail was intentionally put there. I don't see any way she could have ran over it and had it end up like this.

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20954034_10155044689046849_6910710016517819312_n.jpg?oh=07fc56abcab040b1e6df6e7a969a893d&oe=5A5E4BD2

I pulled a 6" nail out of the sidewall of my truck tire about in that position. It wasn't straight in, luckily.

Thats a tough one, but most places around here will try and patch that.

[scho63]

Those of us from the industry

http://www.agcoauto.com/content/images/tires/tire_care_high_tech_patch.jpg


Are these the tools from Stone Hedge, the tune up kit from Sears Auto Body or Fred Flintstones starter set? :eek:

[threebag]

Not imo. I've literally seen that exact same thing multiple times. Look at the angle of the nail. Flex the tire out and the nail is standing straight up. And it just bouncing wouldn't have the power to penetrate the sidewall either

Yes, she would have had to roll over it with the tire to penetrate.

[Bugeater]

Ive seen that exact thing many times. Its common. Only thing i can figure is the nail is standing on its head and the tire went right next to it. When the rubber flexed from the weight of the car the nail went in.I suppose it's possible, just doesn't seem probable.

[Bugeater]

I pulled a 6" nail out of the sidewall of my truck tire about in that position. It wasn't straight in, luckily.

Thats a tough one, but most places around here will try and patch that.
Not here. About the only places around here that will fix flats are tire shops, and they'd rather sell you a new tire.

[SAUTO]

I pulled a 6" nail out of the sidewall of my truck tire about in that position. It wasn't straight in, luckily.

Thats a tough one, but most places around here will try and patch that.

No way to patching that

[cooper barrett]

Ok while I have all the tire experts here, what's your take on this? A friend posted it on facebook a while back and I have to think that nail was intentionally put there. I don't see any way she could have ran over it and had it end up like this.

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20954034_10155044689046849_6910710016517819312_n.jpg?oh=07fc56abcab040b1e6df6e7a969a893d&oe=5A5E4BD2

Fairly common, when cars at turning the front tires can easily pick up a nail in the sidewall going straight it's pretty easy too.

Let me guess...You took your trusty plug kit and fixed it?

[cooper barrett]

I pulled a 6" nail out of the sidewall of my truck tire about in that position. It wasn't straight in, luckily.

Thats a tough one, but most places around here will try and patch that.

http://www.shopownermag.com/wp-content/uploads/News/06_01_2010/85483tirepng_00000040775.png

Really? They will try to fix a sidewall puncture?

I wouldn't want to have to defend myself for a $20 tire repair I preformed on a car and I am sued for an accident that happened with the cause being related to that tire's failure due to a repair outside industry standards.

Think about this next time you even consider plugging a tire from the outside and do not take it immediately for a proper repair: see attachments


These companies were sued for preforming tire repairs outside industry guidelines: Wal-Mart $18.9M, Mossy Ford $23.8M, Tampa Auto Repair $13.64M, and Ford settled a claim out of court for $12.7M in damages, all for tire repairs preformed outside industry standards, resulting in death or permanent disability.

Although there are tire manufactures and rubber manufacturer guidelines which are considered industry standards there are no laws on the books about what is and what is not a proper repair. But all plug manufactures state for emergency, temporary use only, to get to the nearest service center.

This is a proof source from NHTSA regarding tire repair:

It is NHTSA’s position that a combination repair is the only way to properly repair a tire puncture. A combination repair consists of a repair patch with a rubber plug/stem attached to its center. There are some rare circumstances when a separate patch and plug can be used, but normally the industry guidelines recommend a combination repair unit that is only one piece. After a puncture is located, it is reamed out to create a clean hole for the plug. The area around the puncture on the inside of the tire is then prepared to bond with the patch. Vulcanizing cement is applied to that area and to the patch/plug combination. The plug is pulled from the outside of the tire through the reamed hole so that it completely fills the hole and created a tight seal with the rubber of the tire. The patch bonds to the inside of the tire, preventing air from escaping with the plug seals the puncture hole preventing air form escaping while the plug seals the puncture hole preventing air and moisture from invading the tire. The rubber stem is trimmed to be even with the surrounding tread.

Brag about how you do it all the time, how the shop down the road will make anything hold air and I will show you someone who is not concerned with others safety and well being.

[loochy]

Shit. What was the name of that mechanic on here that sauto loved so much? We need that guy back.

His name was extorter

[Buehler445]

No way to patching that

http://www.shopownermag.com/wp-content/uploads/News/06_01_2010/85483tirepng_00000040775.png

Really? They will try to fix a sidewall puncture?

I wouldn't want to have to defend myself for a $20 tire repair I preformed on a car and I am sued for an accident that happened with the cause being related to that tire's failure due to a repair outside industry standards.

Think about this next time you even consider plugging a tire from the outside and do not take it immediately for a proper repair: see attachments


These companies were sued for preforming tire repairs outside industry guidelines: Wal-Mart $18.9M, Mossy Ford $23.8M, Tampa Auto Repair $13.64M, and Ford settled a claim out of court for $12.7M in damages, all for tire repairs preformed outside industry standards, resulting in death or permanent disability.

Although there are tire manufactures and rubber manufacturer guidelines which are considered industry standards there are no laws on the books about what is and what is not a proper repair. But all plug manufactures state for emergency, temporary use only, to get to the nearest service center.

This is a proof source from NHTSA regarding tire repair:

It is NHTSA’s position that a combination repair is the only way to properly repair a tire puncture. A combination repair consists of a repair patch with a rubber plug/stem attached to its center. There are some rare circumstances when a separate patch and plug can be used, but normally the industry guidelines recommend a combination repair unit that is only one piece. After a puncture is located, it is reamed out to create a clean hole for the plug. The area around the puncture on the inside of the tire is then prepared to bond with the patch. Vulcanizing cement is applied to that area and to the patch/plug combination. The plug is pulled from the outside of the tire through the reamed hole so that it completely fills the hole and created a tight seal with the rubber of the tire. The patch bonds to the inside of the tire, preventing air from escaping with the plug seals the puncture hole preventing air form escaping while the plug seals the puncture hole preventing air and moisture from invading the tire. The rubber stem is trimmed to be even with the surrounding tread.

Brag about how you do it all the time, how the shop down the road will make anything hold air and I will show you someone who is not concerned with others safety and well being.

IDK. They'll usually say they're not supposed to but they'll try. If that is actually in the sidewall it's done. If it is in the corner or transition or whatever you want to call it they'll usually give it a try.

And maybe they won't on a daily driver but farm pickups and trailers they will.

[cooper barrett]

IDK. They'll usually say they're not supposed to but they'll try. If that is actually in the sidewall it's done. If it is in the corner or transition or whatever you want to call it they'll usually give it a try.

And maybe they won't on a daily driver but farm pickups and trailers they will.

Oh like I have never hauled a load of firewood using one of my father in laws farm trucks... :D:DIt seemed to go 65-70 miles per hour up old US 71 just like any other car and with a full load of Locust and Oak much more dangerous.

I educated my FIL on shoddy repairs and he never did it again! He even found a new tire guy who knew his tires better because of it.

A farm only utility trailer that sees 30 MPH going from section to section is one thing but like a temporary repair once it holds air you forget it's a liability.

I used to service U-haul and they were as cheap as can be but they NEVER repaired a tire unless it was done the right way. They also didn't balance drive or trailer wheels...