Our New Head Coach

[kczoo]

Holtus said a few weeks ago that CP has a real interest and friendship with Eagles Off Coord, whoever that is

[Mecca]

Brad Childress is who you're speaking of.......

[Goapics1]

Holtus said a few weeks ago that CP has a real interest and friendship with Eagles Off Coord, whoever that is
Marty Mornhinweg?

[HolmeZz]

Childress. Not a bad choice.

[dirk digler]

He is going to be a hot commodity. The Packers are said to be very interested in him as well.

[Wile_E_Coyote]

the scary part is Marty clone Herm Edwards may be available

[BigRedChief]

But doesn't Andy Reid call his own plays? Why if this guy is so good? And he was a coach with Bill Calahan.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/coachbio.jsp?id=639

One of the league's brightest minds on the offensive side of the ball, Brad Childress is working in his seventh season as an Eagles assistant coach and his fourth as the team's offensive coordinator. The 49-year-old Childress was named to his current post on April 10, 2002, and has had his contract extended twice since then, the latest through 2008. "I do believe that Brad is one of the top assistant coaches in the National Football League," said head coach Andy Reid. "He's done a great job and he's going to get rewarded for it sooner or later [with a head coaching opportunity]."

One of the staples of Childress' offensive philosophy is holding onto the ball. In 2003, the Eagles established a team record for fewest turnovers in a season (22). The Eagles matched that total in 2004 and over that two-year span rank 3rd in the league in that category behind the NY Jets (36) and Indianapolis (37). After successfully employing a three-headed monster at running back in 2003, the Eagles offense utilized the skills of Pro Bowl WR Terrell Owens and a multi-talented back in Pro Bowl RB Brian Westbrook in 2004. As a result, the offense set franchise records in QB rating (96.4), completion pct. (61.4%), and gross yards passing (4,208). Along the way, QB Donovan McNabb set franchise records in QB rating (104.7), completion pct. (64.0), and passing yards (3,875). "There are a lot of different ways to win a football game," Childress says. "You have to be open-minded. Innovate and adjust, play to the tools you have. We've done that here. We have different personnel now than we had in the past. You need to utilize what you have." Childress' group set a team record with 415 points in 2002 despite starting three different quarterbacks. After McNabb and Koy Detmer went down with injuries, the Eagles turned to little-used A.J. Feeley, who compiled a 4-1 record down the stretch.

The club's QBs coach from 1999-2001 (he was hired one day after Reid was named head coach on January 11, 1999), Childress is credited with the development of McNabb. Under Childress' tutelage, McNabb learned the intricacies of the West Coast offense as a rookie and has become a five-time Pro Bowl selection and a perennial MVP candidate. Prior to joining the Eagles, Childress orchestrated one of the nation's most productive offenses at the University of Wisconsin, where he served as offensive coordinator and QBs coach from 1992-98.

During his eight-year tenure at Wisconsin, the team played in five bowl games, including Rose Bowl victories over UCLA in 1994 and in 1998. In 93, the Badgers set a school record and ranked fourth in Big Ten Conference history with 455.2 yards per game. QB Darrell Bevell (QBs coach at Green Bay), RB Ron Dayne, and WR Lee DeRamus all flourished under Childress. A graduate of Eastern Illinois, Childress began his coaching career with a seven-year stint at Illinois. It was there that WR David Williams set a Big Ten record for receptions (101 in 1984). Then, after spending the 1985 season assisting with the quarterbacks on Rod Dowhower's Colts staff, he returned to the collegiate ranks for the next 13 seasons with stops at Northern Arizona (1986-89) and Utah before moving to Wisconsin. It was during the first of his three seasons as offensive coordinator at Northern Arizona that Childress first worked with Reid.

He also worked with Nebraska head coach Bill Callahan and Eagles assistant head coach Marty Mornhinweg at NAU. Childress and his wife, Dru-Ann, have four children: sons, Kyle (20), Andrew (16), and Christopher (15), and daughter, Cara (22). Born 6/27/56 in Aurora, Ill., Childress attended Marmion Military High School.

[leviw]

I think it will be a crime if Al Saunders isn't given the first interview when the job opens up.

[BigRedChief]

Marty Mornhinweg?
He sounds better than Brad. We now know that Detroit wasn't his fault.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/coachbio.jsp?id=642

Four quarterbacks have earned Pro Bowl honors while working under Mornhinweg: McNabb, Favre, and San Francisco's Steve Young and Jeff Garcia.

Marty Mornhinweg is in his third season in Philadelphia and his second as the Eagles assistant head coach. In this role, he works closely with Andy Reid, Brad Childress, and the rest of the offensive staff. In 2004, the Eagles offense set franchise records in QB rating (96.4), completion pct. (61.4%), and gross yards passing (4,208). Along the way, QB Donovan McNabb set franchise records in QB rating (104.7), completion pct. (64.0), and passing yards (3,875). Mornhinweg, 43, joined the Eagles as a senior assistant coach in 2003 after spending the previous two seasons as head coach of the Detroit Lions.

From 1997-2000, he served as the offensive coordinator of the San Francisco 49ers. In 1998, the 49ers became the first team since the 1941 Chicago Bears to lead the league in gross passing and rushing yards. Mornhinweg and Reid coached together as offensive assistant coaches in Green Bay from 1995-96. In 1996, Mornhinweg tutored the Packers QBs as Brett Favre captured MVP honors in leading his team to a Super Bowl XXXI win over New England. The two also coached together at Texas-El Paso in 1987 and at Missouri in 1991.

Mornhinweg and Eagles offensive coordinator Brad Childress coached together at Northern Arizona in 1988. Four quarterbacks have earned Pro Bowl honors while working under Mornhinweg: McNabb, Favre, and San Francisco's Steve Young and Jeff Garcia. In all, Mornhinweg coached on the college level for 10 seasons: Northern Arizona (1994 and 1988), Missouri (1991-93), Southeast Missouri State (1989-90), Texas El-Paso (1986-87), and Montana (1985).

Born in Edmond, OK (3/29/62), Mornhinweg was the Northern California player of the year and an all-state quarterback as a senior at Oak Grove HS in San Jose, CA, where he played under current Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren, an assistant coach at that school. He went on to be a four-year starter at Montana, where he established 15 passing records for the Grizzlies. Mornhinweg also was a quarterback for the 1987 Arena Football League champion Denver Dynamite before suffering a career-ending knee injury.

Mornhinweg earned a degree in health and physical education from Montana and a master's degree in health and physical education/sports administration from Texas-El Paso in 1988. He and his wife, Lindsay, have four children: two daughters, Madison (14) and Molly Lynn (9), and two sons, Skyler (11) and Bobby Cade (6).

[siberian khatru]

To me, that would be like hiring Gary Kubiak. A figurehead OC.

Reid's the man in Philly, no?

[Frankie]

I think it will be a crime if Al Saunders isn't given the first interview when the job opens up.

Just an interview? GIVE HIM THE F***ING JOB! Let Brat CHildren go to the Packers.

[htismaqe]

If it's a crime, I hope we all go to jail.

Al Saunders should go along with the rest of the staff.

START FRESH FOR ONCE IN A GODDDAMN LIFETIME.

[BigChiefFan]

Don't the Eagles run the west coast offense?

[ChiTown]

If it's a crime, I hope we all go to jail.

Al Saunders should go along with the rest of the staff.

START FRESH FOR ONCE IN A GODDDAMN LIFETIME.

Agreed.

I like Big Al, the kiddies pal, but I don't want him as my head coach. Sorry, but I just don't think he'd be the man for the job.

[Frankie]

If it's a crime, I hope we all go to jail.

Al Saunders should go along with the rest of the staff.

START FRESH FOR ONCE IN A GODDDAMN LIFETIME.
Great idea. Let guys like Solari go coach for the Randers! Al should be our next HC....PERIOD! And this staff, while it can be improved upon, is one of the better ones in the NFL.

[tomahawk kid]

the scary part is Marty clone Herm Edwards may be available

Yep - and Carl will jump on him.

You can almost see the scenario playing itself out.

[htismaqe]

Don't the Eagles run the west coast offense?

Yep. Reid worked for Holmgren, who worked for Walsh.

[ChiTown]

And this staff, while it can be improved upon, is one of the better ones in the NFL.

Sorry for being an asshole, but based on what? Their playoff record, overall record, Arrowhead winning %........why is this one of the better staffs?

[htismaqe]

Great idea. Let guys like Solari go coach for the Randers! Al should be our next HC....PERIOD! And this staff, while it can be improved upon, is one of the better ones in the NFL.

This has got to be the single biggest bullshit pansy-ass argument in the history of football:

"We can't let X go because he might go the Raiders/Broncos/insert other rival here."

Al Saunders is the Gunther Cunningham of Offensive Coordinators. If he wants to stay and coach the offense for a new HC, cool with me. That's the only way he stays.

[Ultra Peanut]

Al Saunders is the Gunther Cunningham of Offensive Coordinators. If he wants to stay and coach the offense for a new HC, cool with me. That's the only way he stays.Agreed.

[Otter]

Originality and trail blazing isn't exactly a strong quality of the Chiefs. Unless Peterson hits the road, which in all likelyhood, he won't, Saunders will be the next head coach.

[Frankie]

Sorry for being an asshole, but based on what? Their playoff record, overall record, Arrowhead winning %........why is this one of the better staffs?

We have an 'Offense' that's damn near tops in the NFL every year. Possibly the best O-line with no 1st round draft choice. Solari must be doing something right with the likes of Brian Waters, etc. Our 'D' is a work in progress with a proven coordinator. Granted a couple of the D-coaches could be upgraded. WE'VE HAD KEY ABSENSES IN VERY CRUCIAL POSITIONS FOLKS! We played a healthy Denver team with a chip on their shoulder, a grudge to settle, and playing a MUST-WIN game. We are in the toughest stretch of our schedule. Yes we stank up the place, but so did the Patriots in their opening game a couple of SuperBowl-winning seasons ago. Let's be realistic. We have a very good coaching staff here. They just don't have the tools these days to keep building this thing. Right now they are in the maintenance-only mode. The machine will rev up when we get healthy.

[Simplex3]

I think it will be a crime if Al Saunders isn't given the first interview when the job opens up.
Funny, I was thinking it would be the right move to leave him where he is unless the new coach wants him gone.

In the next few years the Chiefs are going to have a major turnover in players. Might as well do the same with the coaching staff.

[Cormac]

We have an 'Offense' that's damn near tops in the NFL every year. Possibly the best O-line with no 1st round draft choice. Solari must be doing something right with the likes of Brian Waters, etc. Our 'D' is a work in progress with a proven coordinator. Granted a couple of the D-coaches could be upgraded. WE'VE HAD KEY ABSENSES IN VERY CRUCIAL POSITIONS FOLKS! We played a healthy Denver team with a chip on their shoulder, a grudge to settle, and playing a MUST-WIN game. We are in the toughest stretch of our schedule. Yes we stank up the place, but so did the Patriots in their opening game a couple of SuperBowl-winning seasons ago. Let's be realistic. We have a very good coaching staff here. They just don't have the tools these days to keep building this thing. Right now they are in the maintenance-only mode. The machine will rev up when we get healthy.

I agree. I'd like to see Saunders get the job, and Solari become OC. We have a good thing going on one side of the ball. If we bring in a new staff and new philosophy we'll have to start over everywhere. One thing none of us has a feel for is Saunders defensive philosophy. It's possible that he's been livid with DV's handling of the D side of the ball since they've come here. Who knows? I think he deserves a shot. And as for his failed previous stint as HC....he was at a crappy organisation (SD). Look at Belichick's previous history at another crappy place (CLE) (not that I'm comparing the 2).

[siberian khatru]

In the next few years the Chiefs are going to have a major turnover in players. Might as well do the same with the coaching staff.

Yep.

[chagrin]

Marty Mornhinweg?


I will have Keg in KC shoot me live and online for free if they hire him

[Goapics1]

I will have Keg in KC shoot me live and online for free if they hire him
BigRedChief is open to the idea of hiring him.

[Skip Towne]

I will have Keg in KC shoot me live and online for free if they hire him
Isn't he the genious who won the overtime toss and elected to kick off?

[Goapics1]

Isn't he the genious who won the overtime toss and elected to kick off?
Yes, and I believe it was against the Bears at Chicago to top it off.

[FloridaMan88]

How about a new GM to go along with our next head coach after Vermeil retires, I'd take that.

[BigRedChief]

How about a new GM to go along with our next head coach after Vermeil retires, I'd take that.

Don't get me started.....:fire:

[oaklandhater]

Agreed.

I like Big Al, the kiddies pal, but I don't want him as my head coach. Sorry, but I just don't think he'd be the man for the job.


I also Agree i dont want AL and his playcalling any where near this team next year.

[Mecca]

It's time for everything to change after this year, 5 years of this is enough. We don't need to hire one of the assistants and go for 5 more years of the same thing.

[PastorMikH]

I think it will be a crime if Al Saunders isn't given the first interview when the job opens up.


After seeing the way our offense has played so far this year, I don't.

[Hammock Parties]

I want Carl gone. I want to turn over the entire coaching staff. I want fresh blood.

[chief52]

Yep. Reid worked for Holmgren, who worked for Walsh.


Who worked for John Ralston, Sid Gilliam and Paul Brown etc... Walsh did not reinvent the wheel, although he would like to take credit for it.

[SoCalBronco]

King Carl will never let go of control of the franchise till he has major issues with his age and health. He isnt going anywhere. The Hunts' love him. Your asking for something that isnt even viable, GoChiefs. I wouldnt be surprised if they go a route other than Saunders. I have read that King Carl isnt too keen on giving him another head coaching job despite Vermeil's wishes. Actually, since the Chiefs schedule gets appreciably easier, I am still projecting Kansas City to be the division winner, especially if they can take down the Eagles this week. San Diego is about to hit an absolutely brutal stretch and they are already not in great shape, the Broncos have to still play NE, PHI, at NYG, BALT (who has owned us), at KC (December), at BUF (December cold), at DAL (Thanksgiving), at SD and at OAK. Ouch. The Fade are already done. If the Chiefs, as expected win the division, I could see Vermeil sticking around for at least another year. With a home playoff game against a wildcard team, prolly someone like Cincinnati or something, the Chiefs will win and that will give Dick4Meal enough front office political capital and fan goodwill to force King Carl to be silent if he wants to stay awhile longer, despite the latter's possible desire to move in a new direction.

[kregger]

kubiak is out because he'll be the next Denver head man. Denver will go 8-8 this year. THey will finally have had enough of Shanahan and fire his ass. THe timing couldn't be more perfect. Meet your next head coach KC.... Mike Shanahan!!

[B_Ambuehl]

The offense is going to need to be rebuilt in the coming years while the defense should be able to stand on it's own 2 feet as young players mature at about the same time all our offensive studs retire. To be competitive over the next ~5 years you're gonna need an offensive guy.

Even with all this west coast hoopla year in and year out the 3 most prolific offenses of all time have been San Diego with Dan Fouts, '99 Rams, and 2001-2004 KC Chiefs. Al Saunders served on the staff of all 3 teams.

There is a "system" in place here already and you shoot that to hell by bringing in someone else. Give Saunders the job and keep the offensive staff intact. It will matter less what you do on defense cause there will be quite a bit of talent over there in the coming years save for the d-line.

[RealSNR]

I say we hire Randy Moss as our next head coach. He makes everyone around him that much better.

[htismaqe]

Who worked for John Ralston, Sid Gilliam and Paul Brown etc... Walsh did not reinvent the wheel, although he would like to take credit for it.

It's a tree, with branches.

Walsh worked for Gillman as did Coryell. But Walsh's "WCO" is decidedly different than "Air Coryell". Part of that was Paul Brown's influence on Walsh.

I'm not suggesting that Walsh invented anything, but there's no denying that his side of the coaching tree, with Holmgren down to Childress is FAR different than the Coryell side that was passed down to Saunders.

[C-Mac]

Maybe he's looking for an offensive coordinator for Al.

[chief52]

It's a tree, with branches.

Walsh worked for Gillman as did Coryell. But Walsh's "WCO" is decidedly different than "Air Coryell". Part of that was Paul Brown's influence on Walsh.

I'm not suggesting that Walsh invented anything, but there's no denying that his side of the coaching tree, with Holmgren down to Childress is FAR different than the Coryell side that was passed down to Saunders.

I understand what you mean and did not think you personally meant Walsh invented anything. It just seems that a lot of people give credit to Walsh and he never seems to give credit to those he learned from. I may be wrong, but he comes across as very arrogant in that way. He took what he learned and molded it, just like others have done under him and did a good job of it. Maybe my hatred for the 49ers clouds my judgement, but I just thing Walsh holds himself in pretty high esteem and gets more credit than he really is due.

[htismaqe]

I understand what you mean and did not think you personally meant Walsh invented anything. It just seems that a lot of people give credit to Walsh and he never seems to give credit to those he learned from. I may be wrong, but he comes across as very arrogant in that way. He took what he learned and molded it, just like others have done under him and did a good job of it. Maybe my hatred for the 49ers clouds my judgement, but I just thing Walsh holds himself in pretty high esteem and gets more credit than he really is due.

I thought maybe that's what was going on...

IMO, Walsh does deserve alot of credit. In alot of cases in all facets of life, it's not just the inventor but also the person that popularizes something, someone who pushes it to the next level.

Walsh was a pioneer. I would put him right up there with Coryell. However, neither of them belong at the same level as Gillman, primarily because they learned from him.

Just look at the Walsh/Coryell influence in the league today...about the only thing close is Parcells...

[ChiefsCountry]

You would think teams would be knocking down our door to hire Saunders considering our offense success the last couple of seasons. The only ones have been the Randy Mosses and Nebraska.

[Fish]

Bring back Marty.......

I'm kidding.... I'm kidding... put down the knife......

[Frankie]

The offense is going to need to be rebuilt in the coming years while the defense should be able to stand on it's own 2 feet as young players mature at about the same time all our offensive studs retire. To be competitive over the next ~5 years you're gonna need an offensive guy.

Even with all this west coast hoopla year in and year out the 3 most prolific offenses of all time have been San Diego with Dan Fouts, '99 Rams, and 2001-2004 KC Chiefs. Al Saunders served on the staff of all 3 teams.

There is a "system" in place here already and you shoot that to hell by bringing in someone else. Give Saunders the job and keep the offensive staff intact. It will matter less what you do on defense cause there will be quite a bit of talent over there in the coming years save for the d-line.
Excellent post. Rep.

[B_Ambuehl]

Ferretz?

Bob Stoops?

Bill Cowher?

Herman Edwards?

No coach is a saviour. Cowher is another Schottenheimer but even worse. They never been able to throw the ball well enough to win.

Edwards is more of a player not a coacher. His players like him cause he's one of the guys and lets them screw around, fight, or do whatever the hell else they want to. I would have no confidence in him implementing a system or coaching up a gameplan.

Stoops has no NFL experience and yelling at people will only take you so far in the NFL.

Ferretz or whatever his name is I know nothing about.

Whoever the coach is, rebuilding will be expected. Looking at this pessimistically, as soon as Shields, Roaf, Green, and Holmes are gone this could be the worst football team in the NFL for a good while because we have zero depth whatsoever anywhere on the football field for the most part.

Most teams have a stable of backups who can run at WR, we have guys like Boerigter and Jeris McIntyre. Gonzales and Dunn will be 30+ we have no backups besides an oversized wide receiver. We have a 35 year old quarterback and no backup. Our backup tailback will want out a new contract in the next couple of years and will probably leave when he gets his opportunity. The young guys you though could start at right tackle can't. You have no legitimate starter at left tackle once Roaf is gone. Welbourne is 30+ and will be able to fill in for a while but is no spring chicken. Waters is over 30. Wiegmann is over 30.

Whew!! It won't be easy so don't be surprised to see CP hire a "fill-in" coach that will basically just stand in and take the losses while he waits for either Cowher or Edwards to lose their job and hires the first one available.

That's my prediction anyway.

[htismaqe]

If we hire Edwards or Cowher, I think I might just find a new team.

Kirk Ferentz is the head coach at Iowa and was an offensive line coach for Belichik in Cleveland.

[BigRedChief]

If we hire Edwards or Cowher, I think I might just find a new team.

Humor?:hmmm: A difficult concept to understand for us humor challenged.

[htismaqe]

Humor?:hmmm: A difficult concept to understand for us humor challenged.

Humor?

There's no humor in it at all.

Ambuehl predicted that CP would hire Cowher or Edwards. That's certainly NOT funny.

[shaneo69]

I think that Peterson would hire Gunther again as his head coach before he'd hire Saunders. I just get the idea that those two don't really like each other. But I think CP's #1 choice would be Herm if he's available.

Personally, I don't care whether the new HC is offensive or defensive minded; I just want a guy who is a disciplinarian and a motivator. I think Saunders will leave once he doesn't get the HC job, so I'd hope the new coach would promote Solari to OC. And I think Gunther would stay as DC if the new HC is willing to keep him.

[BigRedChief]

Humor?

There's no humor in it at all.

Ambuehl predicted that CP would hire Cowher or Edwards. That's certainly NOT funny.
So you were really saying you will cease to be a Chiefs fan if Cowher or Edwards is hired?

[htismaqe]

So you were really saying you will cease to be a Chiefs fan if Cowher or Edwards is hired?

Yeah, I actually might.

There's only so much punishment one can take. Hiring these guys because they were AT ONE TIME part of what you consider a successful coaching tree (in other words, they worked for Marty) reeks of desperation.

Compounded by the fact that MARTY WASN'T SUCCESSFUL, it might just be more than I can take.

And for that matter, if Carl hires Gunther again (as shane suggested) I will, 100% guaranteed, find a new team.

[Mecca]

Theres no way Bill Cowher is going to leave Pittsburgh so there's nothing to worry about there. Herman Edwards on the other hand........

[C-Mac]

I got no prob with Herm Edwards......

[htismaqe]

I got no prob with Herm Edwards......

Seriously, why?

The guy hasn't done a goddamn thing. He's Marty all over again. Do you enjoy suffering?

[the Talking Can]

If we hire Edwards or Cowher, I think I might just find a new team.

.

I couldn't agree more. I don't want anyone associated with the play to lose attitude of Martyball as headcoach of this team.

[shaneo69]

Seriously, why?

Because Herm would give us a reincarnation of the '90's.....the coaching prowess of Marty and the psychological stability of Gunther.

[Frankie]

I would love to have Herm Edwards on our staff. But not as HC.

[Mecca]

I couldn't agree more. I don't want anyone associated with the play to lose attitude of Martyball as headcoach of this team.

But But But, I thought Herm played to win the game............