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Old 08-08-2014, 08:42 AM  
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Random Thoughts on the Bengals Preseason Game

Feel free to ignore. This is just a catchall for my thoughts on the game.

1. Alex Smith has absolutely nobody to throw to. I'm looking at as much of the field as is shown during the snaps, and nobody is getting open. I'm not even sure Avery and Jenkins played, and Bowe's not exactly known as a receiver who gets wide open anyways. This is extremely troubling, and dooms us against CB-heavy teams like the Seahawks, 49ers, and Patriots (as if we weren't doomed against them already).

The good news, however, is that our non-WR receiving corps looks strong. Charles still looks great. Fasano ran routes very well last night, and Kelce has serious promise. DAT looks like he could be sharp on routes, and another year should allow Davis to develop further.

But this is a team that had the fewest receptions and yardage at the WR corps of every other team in the league, and we didn't replenish any talent in the Draft, which only featured the deepest WR class in NFL history. ****. AND we lost what was a fairly critical piece of that package last year in Dexter McCluster. Basically this means that AJ Jenkins needs to explode this year, that DAT learns the ropes in the slot very quickly, and that Travis Kelce and/or Junior Hemingway takes off, somehow.

2. Really thought Fisher looked really good on all of two plays. I watched him like a hawk, and his runblocking looked far stronger than it ever was last year. Carlos Dunlap is a very big passrusher, however (he's around 290, I think?), and gave Fisher fits on two pass plays, which tells me that the achilles heel Fisher had last year (struggling against strong passrushers) is still going to be a problem this year. On the strip-sack Fisher gave up, Trent Green argued that Fisher did a solid job on the play, but Smith held the ball too long -- which gives me some hope that Fisher is coming along.

But Alex Smith does hold the ball too long, and takes sacks rather than throw down field. That's always been Smith's game. If that's the case, than it's going to be yet another atrocious year in the game threads as folks on this forum cry (justifiably or not) about Fisher struggling to come along. As long as he blocks for Alex Smith, he's going to give up coverage sacks. Last year, however, he was just beat like a rug -- I only saw that once yesterday, when Fisher greeted a bullrush too high and got pushed back into Alex Smith's lap.

3. God, we are so fast now. We've started noticing the trend that John Dorsey has an almost Al Davis-like fascination with speed, and that shows on the field now. Charles, DAT, Albert Wilson, Knile Davis, Donnie Avery, and AJ Jenkins. Travis Kelce burned folks on his long play, too. This is as much a track team as we've ever seen, and hopefully that can compensate on offense for our lack of receiving talent.

It's noticeable on defense as well. Dee Ford is so fast around the edge, James-Michael Johnson runs like a receiver, and it sure doesn't look like anybody is going to be outrunning Phillip Gaines.

4. Rookies had a rocky performance last night, but it was great seeing them out there. Dee Ford was disruptive against the 2nd team OL, and can close that gap in a hurry. He'll need a couple years to add to his passrush arsenal, and also to work on his coverage and run-stopping abilities. That's stuff that Justin Houston had to do (albeit to a lesser extent) and hopefully Ford will improve leaps and bounds in that respect by this time next year. Phillip Gaines looked lost in coverage -- he was always going to be a project, which is why I saw him more as a 5th rounder than as the 3rd rounder we made him. On that long pass to the endzone he broke up, he showed that elite recovery speed that makes him such an outstanding athlete and could make him a great corner, but he also gave up two touchdowns from players that embarrassed him in routes. He does truly have shutdown potential, however, he just is going to take a while to get there, if he ever does.

DAT of course looked brilliant, no comments needed there, and we saw next to nothing of Aaron Murray. Fulton looked... alright. First of all, he looks ****ing massive, and not entirely in a good way. He's got a lot of extra love on those love handles, and he's going to get beat by athletic three-techs all year. But he had a decent performance last night against a DL that was missing their most important piece. I do like that he's getting his experience now. (How bad was Rishaw Johnson -- sheesh, maybe Fulton won the job by default.) I didn't notice hardly anything from Duvarney-Tardif, but I'll be rewatching soon. Albert Wilson looks like he could end up being a UDFA gem -- something this team badly needs this year. Wilson looks great in routes (albeit against 2nd and 3rd defenses), has great hands, and excellent speed.

4. As per the DL, Jaye Howard looks awful against the 1st stringers, and frequently looks bade against the 2nd string. I may revise that when I watch the game again, but I doubt it. There were huge holes opening up time after time against him in the run game. He made a couple plays against the 2nd/3rd string OL, but even then he was getting annihilated. I think he's buried on the depth chart behind DeVito and Catapano, so let's just hope we don't see a lot of him this year. That is definitely not working.

On the plus side, how good did Allen Bailey look? He's decently stout in the run game, but he's FINALLY providing the passrush from the DE position that this team desperately needs. I believe this is his contract year, and I've always loved his athletic potential. If he plays stout and throws in about 5-6 sacks this year, something he's very capable of doing, there's no reason he shouldn't be re-signed. But there is still a lot of football to play.

Vance Walker is a waste of a signing. Wow. Walker provided very little in terms of push at the NT position, and his play against the run was not that great either. He's listed as a backup NT now, but if Poe ever goes down, something tells me the team would rather slide DeVito over than get murdered up the gut thanks to Walker, who has never been a celebrated run defender anyway.

5. 3rd string guys I really like: DE Jairus Campbell, WR Frankie Hammond, QB Tyler Bray, TE Demetrius Harris, CB Kevin Rutland, RB Charcandrick West.

6. I said before that our backup OL was probably the best backup OL we've had on the field since I've been a fan, and you could see that in the 2nd quarter and 2nd half. Against a very deep Bengals team, Knile Davis, Cyrus Gray, and Charcandrick West had holes blasted open for them all game. The Chiefs offensive momentum in this game was almost entirely due to the 2nd string OL dominating on the ground.

7. As I've mentioned, I'll be watching the game a 2nd time, so I'll add thoughts to this thread as I do.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:44 AM   #91
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saying d line isn't the same as saying front 7 unless they have 7 guys on their line.

ive never heard of a 7-4 alignment
I've never heard of someone splitting hairs this small, if you've never heard of them referred to as the front 7 and back 4 then that is your problem; if you've never heard 3-4 outside linebackers be referred to as linemen then once again, not my problem that you are so dense.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:45 AM   #92
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:46 AM   #93
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Yep since I was talking about the salary cap era? Hmm...seems like i would bring up the 70's Steelers(who had no salary cap) instead of the 200's Steelers(who had a salary cap, and played in this era.....)........you're a sharp tool
The 2000's Steelers had Chad Scott, Dewayne Washington, Ryan Clark, Ike Taylor, and several others.

It's funny that you think the front 7 can completely mask our deficiencies in the defensive backfield when we have 6 games plus one of the worst defensive halves in playoff history that suggest otherwise.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:47 AM   #94
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I've never heard of someone splitting hairs this small, if you've never heard of them referred to as the front 7 and back 4 then that is your problem; if you've never heard 3-4 outside linebackers be referred to as linemen then once again, not my problem that you are so dense.
again ive heard front 7 back 4, that's in no way calling olbs defensive linemen.

in fact the 3-4 is called that due to there being 3 linemen and 4 linebackers, if the olbs were referred to as linemen in that alignment it would be a 6-2.

use your brain.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:48 AM   #95
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:49 AM   #96
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I said our run D looked stout, so the corners better be ready.

Just save your breath. I would give you the 'its not you its me' break up line, but I promise you, its you.

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again ive heard front 7 back 4, that's in no way calling olbs defensive linemen.

in fact the 3-4 is called that due to there being 3 linemen and 4 linebackers, if the olbs were referred to as linemen in that alignment it would be a 6-2.

use your brain.
??.....????? I am done talking to you, I fear you have brain issues.
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??.....????? I am done talking to you, I fear you have brain issues.
excuse me? im actually making sense here.


you called it a 3-4 but the olbs are referred to as linemen and that makes sense?


so how many linemen are there in a 3-4?
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I really want to know how they plan on using DAT in this offense. He's going to be a blast to watch.
Yeah me to. I think a lot like McFalldown accept this kid doesn't seem to shy away from contact like Dexter did.
I think Westin Drexler and his dream of the NFL just took a serious hit.
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Trust me, in week 4 when we are leading the league in sacks and everybody is talking solely about our front 7 I will remind you of this little conversation we had wiseguy
If that's not the case will you finally **** off forever?
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Trust me, in week 4 when we are leading the league in sacks and everybody is talking solely about our front 7 I will remind you of this little conversation we had wiseguy
will they be calling Houston and hali defensive linemen?
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excuse me? im actually making sense here.


you called it a 3-4 but the olbs are referred to as linemen and that makes sense?


so how many linemen are there in a 3-4?
So you've never heard of a 46 defense? is that 4 d linemen and 6 linebackers???...No, it refers to the allignment of the safeties, you must not have played much. I have not mentioned a 3-4 once I was referencing the front 7 as a whole hoping nobody could truly be this dumb, do you think I don't know we play a 3-4??Or that anyone who watches us can't see that we play a 3-4?.....This is hard to believe that you really are this dumb.
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I've never heard of someone splitting hairs this small, if you've never heard of them referred to as the front 7 and back 4 then that is your problem; if you've never heard 3-4 outside linebackers be referred to as linemen then once again, not my problem that you are so dense.
but you never mentioned a 3-4?
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So you've never heard of a 46 defense? is that 4 d linemen and 6 linebackers???...No, it refers to the allignment of the safeties, you must not have played much. I have not mentioned a 3-4 once I was referencing the front 7 as a whole hoping nobody could truly be this dumb, do you think I don't know we play a 3-4??Or that anyone who watches us can't see that we play a 3-4?.....This is hard to believe that you really are this dumb.
I just quoted a post in which YOU brought up the 3-4.
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