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Old 08-08-2014, 09:42 AM  
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Random Thoughts on the Bengals Preseason Game

Feel free to ignore. This is just a catchall for my thoughts on the game.

1. Alex Smith has absolutely nobody to throw to. I'm looking at as much of the field as is shown during the snaps, and nobody is getting open. I'm not even sure Avery and Jenkins played, and Bowe's not exactly known as a receiver who gets wide open anyways. This is extremely troubling, and dooms us against CB-heavy teams like the Seahawks, 49ers, and Patriots (as if we weren't doomed against them already).

The good news, however, is that our non-WR receiving corps looks strong. Charles still looks great. Fasano ran routes very well last night, and Kelce has serious promise. DAT looks like he could be sharp on routes, and another year should allow Davis to develop further.

But this is a team that had the fewest receptions and yardage at the WR corps of every other team in the league, and we didn't replenish any talent in the Draft, which only featured the deepest WR class in NFL history. ****. AND we lost what was a fairly critical piece of that package last year in Dexter McCluster. Basically this means that AJ Jenkins needs to explode this year, that DAT learns the ropes in the slot very quickly, and that Travis Kelce and/or Junior Hemingway takes off, somehow.

2. Really thought Fisher looked really good on all of two plays. I watched him like a hawk, and his runblocking looked far stronger than it ever was last year. Carlos Dunlap is a very big passrusher, however (he's around 290, I think?), and gave Fisher fits on two pass plays, which tells me that the achilles heel Fisher had last year (struggling against strong passrushers) is still going to be a problem this year. On the strip-sack Fisher gave up, Trent Green argued that Fisher did a solid job on the play, but Smith held the ball too long -- which gives me some hope that Fisher is coming along.

But Alex Smith does hold the ball too long, and takes sacks rather than throw down field. That's always been Smith's game. If that's the case, than it's going to be yet another atrocious year in the game threads as folks on this forum cry (justifiably or not) about Fisher struggling to come along. As long as he blocks for Alex Smith, he's going to give up coverage sacks. Last year, however, he was just beat like a rug -- I only saw that once yesterday, when Fisher greeted a bullrush too high and got pushed back into Alex Smith's lap.

3. God, we are so fast now. We've started noticing the trend that John Dorsey has an almost Al Davis-like fascination with speed, and that shows on the field now. Charles, DAT, Albert Wilson, Knile Davis, Donnie Avery, and AJ Jenkins. Travis Kelce burned folks on his long play, too. This is as much a track team as we've ever seen, and hopefully that can compensate on offense for our lack of receiving talent.

It's noticeable on defense as well. Dee Ford is so fast around the edge, James-Michael Johnson runs like a receiver, and it sure doesn't look like anybody is going to be outrunning Phillip Gaines.

4. Rookies had a rocky performance last night, but it was great seeing them out there. Dee Ford was disruptive against the 2nd team OL, and can close that gap in a hurry. He'll need a couple years to add to his passrush arsenal, and also to work on his coverage and run-stopping abilities. That's stuff that Justin Houston had to do (albeit to a lesser extent) and hopefully Ford will improve leaps and bounds in that respect by this time next year. Phillip Gaines looked lost in coverage -- he was always going to be a project, which is why I saw him more as a 5th rounder than as the 3rd rounder we made him. On that long pass to the endzone he broke up, he showed that elite recovery speed that makes him such an outstanding athlete and could make him a great corner, but he also gave up two touchdowns from players that embarrassed him in routes. He does truly have shutdown potential, however, he just is going to take a while to get there, if he ever does.

DAT of course looked brilliant, no comments needed there, and we saw next to nothing of Aaron Murray. Fulton looked... alright. First of all, he looks ****ing massive, and not entirely in a good way. He's got a lot of extra love on those love handles, and he's going to get beat by athletic three-techs all year. But he had a decent performance last night against a DL that was missing their most important piece. I do like that he's getting his experience now. (How bad was Rishaw Johnson -- sheesh, maybe Fulton won the job by default.) I didn't notice hardly anything from Duvarney-Tardif, but I'll be rewatching soon. Albert Wilson looks like he could end up being a UDFA gem -- something this team badly needs this year. Wilson looks great in routes (albeit against 2nd and 3rd defenses), has great hands, and excellent speed.

4. As per the DL, Jaye Howard looks awful against the 1st stringers, and frequently looks bade against the 2nd string. I may revise that when I watch the game again, but I doubt it. There were huge holes opening up time after time against him in the run game. He made a couple plays against the 2nd/3rd string OL, but even then he was getting annihilated. I think he's buried on the depth chart behind DeVito and Catapano, so let's just hope we don't see a lot of him this year. That is definitely not working.

On the plus side, how good did Allen Bailey look? He's decently stout in the run game, but he's FINALLY providing the passrush from the DE position that this team desperately needs. I believe this is his contract year, and I've always loved his athletic potential. If he plays stout and throws in about 5-6 sacks this year, something he's very capable of doing, there's no reason he shouldn't be re-signed. But there is still a lot of football to play.

Vance Walker is a waste of a signing. Wow. Walker provided very little in terms of push at the NT position, and his play against the run was not that great either. He's listed as a backup NT now, but if Poe ever goes down, something tells me the team would rather slide DeVito over than get murdered up the gut thanks to Walker, who has never been a celebrated run defender anyway.

5. 3rd string guys I really like: DE Jairus Campbell, WR Frankie Hammond, QB Tyler Bray, TE Demetrius Harris, CB Kevin Rutland, RB Charcandrick West.

6. I said before that our backup OL was probably the best backup OL we've had on the field since I've been a fan, and you could see that in the 2nd quarter and 2nd half. Against a very deep Bengals team, Knile Davis, Cyrus Gray, and Charcandrick West had holes blasted open for them all game. The Chiefs offensive momentum in this game was almost entirely due to the 2nd string OL dominating on the ground.

7. As I've mentioned, I'll be watching the game a 2nd time, so I'll add thoughts to this thread as I do.
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Old 08-08-2014, 12:18 PM   #76
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This much scholastic commentary on last nights game?

You would think we watched the first game of the season and not just a preseason game.

The overblown hostility towards Smith really isn't warranted... yet.
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Old 08-08-2014, 12:24 PM   #78
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The Steelers weren't playing in this era.

In this era, you can't succeed without a great secondary.

The Chiefs have four solid starters. Everything after that is a mess.
I'm not talking about the 70's Steelers, I am talking about 2000's Steelers, nobody knew who Ike Taylor was until he started talking in the top 100 players. Or how about the Niners the last few years? Their corners have been the consistent weakness and they've been 1 play away from the SB the last 2 years? Or the Giants? Don't give me that shit, you don't need a legion of boom to be a dominant defense, in fact a dominant d line is MUCH more important than secondary play and I will cite you the Seacox; their defensive line won them that game and intimidated the Broncos o line from the get go. D line wins championships in the 21st century, and that is a proven fact.
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It was the first pre-season game.....JFC.
you are responding to the guy who said alex was the greatest qb in chiefs history one week last year and said we should bench him the very next week...
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This isn't 1985. This league is so pass happy it makes me sick. If your corners suck, and a team knows it cant run on you, what do you think is going to happen? So yes, our corners need to get better, because the ball is going to be in the air.

I mean, when was the last time a team with a great secondary won a superbowl on defensive performance? RIGHT GUYS?

Oh yea, it was last year~
You are a prisoner of the moment and I pity you. If you think corners win championships not linemen then go get that head checked. I will state it again, with our d line our DBs only have to be good for 3 seconds, I think they can do it..
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This isn't 1985. This league is so pass happy it makes me sick. If your corners suck, and a team knows it cant run on you, what do you think is going to happen? So yes, our corners need to get better, because the ball is going to be in the air.

I mean, when was the last time a team with a great secondary won a superbowl on defensive performance? RIGHT GUYS?

Oh yea, it was last year~
Remember its preseason. There is no game planning and you want to see these kids what they do in man on man. If Sutton is anything as a coach he will have some packages that doesn't leave our corners out on an island. I didn't see anything special in blitz packages so I am pretty sure Andy and crew got out exactly what they wanted to see.

Relax and hopefully we wont see the secondary look so bad in the 3rd game. If we do then worry worry a lot.
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I'm not talking about the 70's Steelers, I am talking about 2000's Steelers, nobody knew who Ike Taylor was until he started talking in the top 100 players. Or how about the Niners the last few years? Their corners have been the consistent weakness and they've been 1 play away from the SB the last 2 years? Or the Giants? Don't give me that shit, you don't need a legion of boom to be a dominant defense, in fact a dominant d line is MUCH more important than secondary play and I will cite you the Seacox; their defensive line won them that game and intimidated the Broncos o line from the get go. D line wins championships in the 21st century, and that is a proven fact.
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Old 08-08-2014, 12:29 PM   #83
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You are a prisoner of the moment and I pity you. If you think corners win championships not linemen then go get that head checked. I will state it again, with our d line our DBs only have to be good for 3 seconds, I think they can do it..
I didn't say corners win championships.

I said our corner play sucks and it needs to get better if we want to win.

The **** is wrong with you boy. Do you even know what Defense we run? The ****ing D lines job is not to provide pass rush, that's for the LB's.
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Old 08-08-2014, 12:29 PM   #84
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85 Bears?



Lezlie Frazier and Mike Richardson.

Those 70's Steelers had MEL ****ing BLOUNT. And JT Thomas wasn't no slouch.

Good ****ing God, what a moron.
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You are a prisoner of the moment and I pity you. If you think corners win championships not linemen then go get that head checked. I will state it again, with our d line our DBs only have to be good for 3 seconds, I think they can do it..
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I didn't say corners win championships.

I said our corner play sucks and it needs to get better if we want to win.

The **** is wrong with you boy. Do you even know what Defense we run? The ****ing D lines job is not to provide pass rush, that's for the LB's.
Well I would hope you were smart enough to put 2 and 2 together and realize they were included in that d line reference as most people usually refer to a defense, front 7, back 4...I think what is wrong with me is I am right which is painful for you to accept fully because you want something more, you think we really can have the perfect defense, but we cannot. Could you have told me to start last year that Byron Maxwell and Jeremy Lane would end up as good as they did? Going into last preseason you would have said and it was widely spoken about the Hawks lack of depth behind Sherman and Browner hence them signing Winfield. Yet what do ya know, their coach gave them a chance and 16 games later the young guys stepped it up....give it some time moron we have no clue what our young guys are made of yet.
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Lezlie Frazier and Mike Richardson.

Those 70's Steelers had MEL ****ing BLOUNT. And JT Thomas wasn't no slouch.

Good ****ing God, what a moron.
Yep since I was talking about the salary cap era? Hmm...seems like i would bring up the 70's Steelers(who had no salary cap) instead of the 200's Steelers(who had a salary cap, and played in this era.....)........you're a sharp tool
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Could you have told me to start last year that Byron Maxwell and Jeremy Lane would end up as good as they did?


You can't be serious.
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Well I would hope you were smart enough to put 2 and 2 together and realize they were included in that d line reference as most people usually refer to a defense, front 7, back 4...I think what is wrong with me is I am right which is painful for you to accept fully because you want something more, you think we really can have the perfect defense, but we cannot. Could you have told me to start last year that Byron Maxwell and Jeremy Lane would end up as good as they did? Going into last preseason you would have said and it was widely spoken about the Hawks lack of depth behind Sherman and Browner hence them signing Winfield. Yet what do ya know, their coach gave them a chance and 16 games later the young guys stepped it up....give it some time moron we have no clue what our young guys are made of yet.
saying d line isn't the same as saying front 7 unless they have 7 guys on their line.

ive never heard of a 7-4 alignment
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Well I would hope you were smart enough to put 2 and 2 together and realize they were included in that d line reference as most people usually refer to a defense, front 7, back 4...I think what is wrong with me is I am right which is painful for you to accept fully because you want something more, you think we really can have the perfect defense, but we cannot. Could you have told me to start last year that Byron Maxwell and Jeremy Lane would end up as good as they did? Going into last preseason you would have said and it was widely spoken about the Hawks lack of depth behind Sherman and Browner hence them signing Winfield. Yet what do ya know, their coach gave them a chance and 16 games later the young guys stepped it up....give it some time moron we have no clue what our young guys are made of yet.
And the shit you are talking about have nothing to do with what I said.

I said our run D looked stout, so the corners better be ready. Then you come off ranting about the 85 bears and the Steelers and how its an oxymoron to want good CB play if you also have a pass rush, which I didn't even mention.

Just save your breath. I would give you the 'its not you its me' break up line, but I promise you, its you.

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