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Random Thoughts on the Bengals Preseason Game

Feel free to ignore. This is just a catchall for my thoughts on the game.

1. Alex Smith has absolutely nobody to throw to. I'm looking at as much of the field as is shown during the snaps, and nobody is getting open. I'm not even sure Avery and Jenkins played, and Bowe's not exactly known as a receiver who gets wide open anyways. This is extremely troubling, and dooms us against CB-heavy teams like the Seahawks, 49ers, and Patriots (as if we weren't doomed against them already).

The good news, however, is that our non-WR receiving corps looks strong. Charles still looks great. Fasano ran routes very well last night, and Kelce has serious promise. DAT looks like he could be sharp on routes, and another year should allow Davis to develop further.

But this is a team that had the fewest receptions and yardage at the WR corps of every other team in the league, and we didn't replenish any talent in the Draft, which only featured the deepest WR class in NFL history. ****. AND we lost what was a fairly critical piece of that package last year in Dexter McCluster. Basically this means that AJ Jenkins needs to explode this year, that DAT learns the ropes in the slot very quickly, and that Travis Kelce and/or Junior Hemingway takes off, somehow.

2. Really thought Fisher looked really good on all of two plays. I watched him like a hawk, and his runblocking looked far stronger than it ever was last year. Carlos Dunlap is a very big passrusher, however (he's around 290, I think?), and gave Fisher fits on two pass plays, which tells me that the achilles heel Fisher had last year (struggling against strong passrushers) is still going to be a problem this year. On the strip-sack Fisher gave up, Trent Green argued that Fisher did a solid job on the play, but Smith held the ball too long -- which gives me some hope that Fisher is coming along.

But Alex Smith does hold the ball too long, and takes sacks rather than throw down field. That's always been Smith's game. If that's the case, than it's going to be yet another atrocious year in the game threads as folks on this forum cry (justifiably or not) about Fisher struggling to come along. As long as he blocks for Alex Smith, he's going to give up coverage sacks. Last year, however, he was just beat like a rug -- I only saw that once yesterday, when Fisher greeted a bullrush too high and got pushed back into Alex Smith's lap.

3. God, we are so fast now. We've started noticing the trend that John Dorsey has an almost Al Davis-like fascination with speed, and that shows on the field now. Charles, DAT, Albert Wilson, Knile Davis, Donnie Avery, and AJ Jenkins. Travis Kelce burned folks on his long play, too. This is as much a track team as we've ever seen, and hopefully that can compensate on offense for our lack of receiving talent.

It's noticeable on defense as well. Dee Ford is so fast around the edge, James-Michael Johnson runs like a receiver, and it sure doesn't look like anybody is going to be outrunning Phillip Gaines.

4. Rookies had a rocky performance last night, but it was great seeing them out there. Dee Ford was disruptive against the 2nd team OL, and can close that gap in a hurry. He'll need a couple years to add to his passrush arsenal, and also to work on his coverage and run-stopping abilities. That's stuff that Justin Houston had to do (albeit to a lesser extent) and hopefully Ford will improve leaps and bounds in that respect by this time next year. Phillip Gaines looked lost in coverage -- he was always going to be a project, which is why I saw him more as a 5th rounder than as the 3rd rounder we made him. On that long pass to the endzone he broke up, he showed that elite recovery speed that makes him such an outstanding athlete and could make him a great corner, but he also gave up two touchdowns from players that embarrassed him in routes. He does truly have shutdown potential, however, he just is going to take a while to get there, if he ever does.

DAT of course looked brilliant, no comments needed there, and we saw next to nothing of Aaron Murray. Fulton looked... alright. First of all, he looks ****ing massive, and not entirely in a good way. He's got a lot of extra love on those love handles, and he's going to get beat by athletic three-techs all year. But he had a decent performance last night against a DL that was missing their most important piece. I do like that he's getting his experience now. (How bad was Rishaw Johnson -- sheesh, maybe Fulton won the job by default.) I didn't notice hardly anything from Duvarney-Tardif, but I'll be rewatching soon. Albert Wilson looks like he could end up being a UDFA gem -- something this team badly needs this year. Wilson looks great in routes (albeit against 2nd and 3rd defenses), has great hands, and excellent speed.

4. As per the DL, Jaye Howard looks awful against the 1st stringers, and frequently looks bade against the 2nd string. I may revise that when I watch the game again, but I doubt it. There were huge holes opening up time after time against him in the run game. He made a couple plays against the 2nd/3rd string OL, but even then he was getting annihilated. I think he's buried on the depth chart behind DeVito and Catapano, so let's just hope we don't see a lot of him this year. That is definitely not working.

On the plus side, how good did Allen Bailey look? He's decently stout in the run game, but he's FINALLY providing the passrush from the DE position that this team desperately needs. I believe this is his contract year, and I've always loved his athletic potential. If he plays stout and throws in about 5-6 sacks this year, something he's very capable of doing, there's no reason he shouldn't be re-signed. But there is still a lot of football to play.

Vance Walker is a waste of a signing. Wow. Walker provided very little in terms of push at the NT position, and his play against the run was not that great either. He's listed as a backup NT now, but if Poe ever goes down, something tells me the team would rather slide DeVito over than get murdered up the gut thanks to Walker, who has never been a celebrated run defender anyway.

5. 3rd string guys I really like: DE Jairus Campbell, WR Frankie Hammond, QB Tyler Bray, TE Demetrius Harris, CB Kevin Rutland, RB Charcandrick West.

6. I said before that our backup OL was probably the best backup OL we've had on the field since I've been a fan, and you could see that in the 2nd quarter and 2nd half. Against a very deep Bengals team, Knile Davis, Cyrus Gray, and Charcandrick West had holes blasted open for them all game. The Chiefs offensive momentum in this game was almost entirely due to the 2nd string OL dominating on the ground.

7. As I've mentioned, I'll be watching the game a 2nd time, so I'll add thoughts to this thread as I do.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:53 AM   #61
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you didn't say that in the post i quoted

You talk about lacks energy and passion etc

which is bullshit because most great QB's try and keep themselves calm.

It doesn't mean they don't care or whatever they are just trying to keep everything on an even keel.


just another stupid ass post about Alex Smith that doesn't mean shit
What? You don't remember how animated Montana was?

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Old 08-08-2014, 11:55 AM   #62
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This wasn't Fisher's fault. It was a 3 step drop. Fisher should have never had the responsibility for holding the block that long.
I was referring to a different play than the strip-sack he gave up.

Trent Green himself said that play was largely on Alex Smith's shoulders.

There was a separate play where Fisher was shoved back quickly because he was too high.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:55 AM   #63
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I was referring to a different play than the strip-sack he gave up.

Trent Green himself that play was largely on Alex Smith's shoulders.

There was a separate play where Fisher was shoved back quickly because he was too high.
Jeff Allen wasn't helping either.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:57 AM   #64
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So again, where are all these overthrown receivers you were talking about? I never made an excuse for missing Bowe. I called it a poor throw. Please, give us some more of your hard-hitting analysis about all of Smith's overthrows last night.
It is going to be a Long season if you keep defending Alex after he played like he did. Alex was a negative, did nothing, showed nothing, no passion and like I said even his interview was boring. After choking in the second half of the playoff game-I was hoping to see some kind of spark out of him. Fact is he has zero competition, it was the first game, he didn't give a shit and it showed.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:58 AM   #65
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If this performance up and down the line from starters and depth is what we can expect, our CB's will need to step up because I don't think much running is going to happen on this D.
Does anyone else see this as a COMPLETE oxymoron? Did the Steelers ever have stellar corner play? No, can you name any of the 85' Bears corners? Other than Leslie Fraser, because we all know him as a coach? Secondary play becomes less relevant when you have the tanks we do rushing the QB, our DB's only have to be good for 3 seconds every play and we'll be solid; plus the fact that we'll mostly just rush 4 so our corners will have help over the top.
I'm sorry but this just infuriates me when people knit pick at our defense when it is this good; no team in the last 20 years has been outstanding on all 3 levels, it's just not possible within the modern salary cap.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:58 AM   #66
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It is going to be a Long season if you keep defending Alex after he played like he did. Alex was a negative, did nothing, showed nothing, no passion and like I said even his interview was boring. After choking in the second half of the playoff game-I was hoping to see some kind of spark out of him. Fact is he has zero competition, it was the first game, he didn't give a shit and it showed.
It was the first pre-season game.....JFC.
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Old 08-08-2014, 12:01 PM   #67
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Does anyone else see this as a COMPLETE oxymoron? Did the Steelers ever have stellar corner play? No, can you name any of the 85' Bears corners? Other than Leslie Fraser, because we all know him as a coach? Secondary play becomes less relevant when you have the tanks we do rushing the QB, our DB's only have to be good for 3 seconds every play and we'll be solid; plus the fact that we'll mostly just rush 4 so our corners will have help over the top.
I'm sorry but this just infuriates me when people knit pick at our defense when it is this good; no team in the last 20 years has been outstanding on all 3 levels, it's just not possible within the modern salary cap.
The Steelers weren't playing in this era.

In this era, you can't succeed without a great secondary.

The Chiefs have four solid starters. Everything after that is a mess.
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Old 08-08-2014, 12:02 PM   #69
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We're going to draft a G next year to replace Jeff Allen. Just watch. Brandon Sherff come on down.
I don't believe Jeff Allen is a free agent after this year.

Rodney Hudson is. Allen and Stephenson both hit free agency in 2016.
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It is going to be a Long season if you keep defending Alex after he played like he did. Alex was a negative, did nothing, showed nothing, no passion and like I said even his interview was boring. After choking in the second half of the playoff game-I was hoping to see some kind of spark out of him. Fact is he has zero competition, it was the first game, he didn't give a shit and it showed.
I'm not really defending Alex's play. I was pointing out how dumb your analysis was. You can't say "he overthrew a few balls" and not expect somebody to call you out on it. Words mean something and your analysis made it look like you didn't watch the game at all.

The whole "I wanted to see fire" statement you keep making is stupid as well. It was the first preseason game. I doubt there were many starting QBs "playing with fire" (what the **** does that even mean) last night.
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Dreadlock safety guy is Jerron McMillian.

And I have a higher opinion of how Knike Davis and Dee Ford played.
eah Davis looked good running hard and determined. He could be the guy to get us those tough yards at goal line and 3rd and a foot that we struggle at.
Ford did what he was drafted to do. Get after the QB as for overrunning plays DT made a career of it to the point Marty jerked him in obvious running situations. DT is a HOF'er so not so worried about that. Hali currently does this a lot too drives ya crazy but you cant stifle the aggressiveness.
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It is going to be a Long season if you keep defending Alex after he played like he did. Alex was a negative, did nothing, showed nothing, no passion and like I said even his interview was boring. After choking in the second half of the playoff game-I was hoping to see some kind of spark out of him. Fact is he has zero competition, it was the first game, he didn't give a shit and it showed.
being rationale about Alex Smith is not the same as 'defending'

going off the deep end about stupid shit with Alex Smith is just annoying
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Does anyone else see this as a COMPLETE oxymoron? Did the Steelers ever have stellar corner play? No, can you name any of the 85' Bears corners? Other than Leslie Fraser, because we all know him as a coach? Secondary play becomes less relevant when you have the tanks we do rushing the QB, our DB's only have to be good for 3 seconds every play and we'll be solid; plus the fact that we'll mostly just rush 4 so our corners will have help over the top.
I'm sorry but this just infuriates me when people knit pick at our defense when it is this good; no team in the last 20 years has been outstanding on all 3 levels, it's just not possible within the modern salary cap.

This isn't 1985. This league is so pass happy it makes me sick. If your corners suck, and a team knows it cant run on you, what do you think is going to happen? So yes, our corners need to get better, because the ball is going to be in the air.

I mean, when was the last time a team with a great secondary won a superbowl on defensive performance? RIGHT GUYS?

Oh yea, it was last year~
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