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Random Thoughts on the Bengals Preseason Game

Feel free to ignore. This is just a catchall for my thoughts on the game.

1. Alex Smith has absolutely nobody to throw to. I'm looking at as much of the field as is shown during the snaps, and nobody is getting open. I'm not even sure Avery and Jenkins played, and Bowe's not exactly known as a receiver who gets wide open anyways. This is extremely troubling, and dooms us against CB-heavy teams like the Seahawks, 49ers, and Patriots (as if we weren't doomed against them already).

The good news, however, is that our non-WR receiving corps looks strong. Charles still looks great. Fasano ran routes very well last night, and Kelce has serious promise. DAT looks like he could be sharp on routes, and another year should allow Davis to develop further.

But this is a team that had the fewest receptions and yardage at the WR corps of every other team in the league, and we didn't replenish any talent in the Draft, which only featured the deepest WR class in NFL history. ****. AND we lost what was a fairly critical piece of that package last year in Dexter McCluster. Basically this means that AJ Jenkins needs to explode this year, that DAT learns the ropes in the slot very quickly, and that Travis Kelce and/or Junior Hemingway takes off, somehow.

2. Really thought Fisher looked really good on all of two plays. I watched him like a hawk, and his runblocking looked far stronger than it ever was last year. Carlos Dunlap is a very big passrusher, however (he's around 290, I think?), and gave Fisher fits on two pass plays, which tells me that the achilles heel Fisher had last year (struggling against strong passrushers) is still going to be a problem this year. On the strip-sack Fisher gave up, Trent Green argued that Fisher did a solid job on the play, but Smith held the ball too long -- which gives me some hope that Fisher is coming along.

But Alex Smith does hold the ball too long, and takes sacks rather than throw down field. That's always been Smith's game. If that's the case, than it's going to be yet another atrocious year in the game threads as folks on this forum cry (justifiably or not) about Fisher struggling to come along. As long as he blocks for Alex Smith, he's going to give up coverage sacks. Last year, however, he was just beat like a rug -- I only saw that once yesterday, when Fisher greeted a bullrush too high and got pushed back into Alex Smith's lap.

3. God, we are so fast now. We've started noticing the trend that John Dorsey has an almost Al Davis-like fascination with speed, and that shows on the field now. Charles, DAT, Albert Wilson, Knile Davis, Donnie Avery, and AJ Jenkins. Travis Kelce burned folks on his long play, too. This is as much a track team as we've ever seen, and hopefully that can compensate on offense for our lack of receiving talent.

It's noticeable on defense as well. Dee Ford is so fast around the edge, James-Michael Johnson runs like a receiver, and it sure doesn't look like anybody is going to be outrunning Phillip Gaines.

4. Rookies had a rocky performance last night, but it was great seeing them out there. Dee Ford was disruptive against the 2nd team OL, and can close that gap in a hurry. He'll need a couple years to add to his passrush arsenal, and also to work on his coverage and run-stopping abilities. That's stuff that Justin Houston had to do (albeit to a lesser extent) and hopefully Ford will improve leaps and bounds in that respect by this time next year. Phillip Gaines looked lost in coverage -- he was always going to be a project, which is why I saw him more as a 5th rounder than as the 3rd rounder we made him. On that long pass to the endzone he broke up, he showed that elite recovery speed that makes him such an outstanding athlete and could make him a great corner, but he also gave up two touchdowns from players that embarrassed him in routes. He does truly have shutdown potential, however, he just is going to take a while to get there, if he ever does.

DAT of course looked brilliant, no comments needed there, and we saw next to nothing of Aaron Murray. Fulton looked... alright. First of all, he looks ****ing massive, and not entirely in a good way. He's got a lot of extra love on those love handles, and he's going to get beat by athletic three-techs all year. But he had a decent performance last night against a DL that was missing their most important piece. I do like that he's getting his experience now. (How bad was Rishaw Johnson -- sheesh, maybe Fulton won the job by default.) I didn't notice hardly anything from Duvarney-Tardif, but I'll be rewatching soon. Albert Wilson looks like he could end up being a UDFA gem -- something this team badly needs this year. Wilson looks great in routes (albeit against 2nd and 3rd defenses), has great hands, and excellent speed.

4. As per the DL, Jaye Howard looks awful against the 1st stringers, and frequently looks bade against the 2nd string. I may revise that when I watch the game again, but I doubt it. There were huge holes opening up time after time against him in the run game. He made a couple plays against the 2nd/3rd string OL, but even then he was getting annihilated. I think he's buried on the depth chart behind DeVito and Catapano, so let's just hope we don't see a lot of him this year. That is definitely not working.

On the plus side, how good did Allen Bailey look? He's decently stout in the run game, but he's FINALLY providing the passrush from the DE position that this team desperately needs. I believe this is his contract year, and I've always loved his athletic potential. If he plays stout and throws in about 5-6 sacks this year, something he's very capable of doing, there's no reason he shouldn't be re-signed. But there is still a lot of football to play.

Vance Walker is a waste of a signing. Wow. Walker provided very little in terms of push at the NT position, and his play against the run was not that great either. He's listed as a backup NT now, but if Poe ever goes down, something tells me the team would rather slide DeVito over than get murdered up the gut thanks to Walker, who has never been a celebrated run defender anyway.

5. 3rd string guys I really like: DE Jairus Campbell, WR Frankie Hammond, QB Tyler Bray, TE Demetrius Harris, CB Kevin Rutland, RB Charcandrick West.

6. I said before that our backup OL was probably the best backup OL we've had on the field since I've been a fan, and you could see that in the 2nd quarter and 2nd half. Against a very deep Bengals team, Knile Davis, Cyrus Gray, and Charcandrick West had holes blasted open for them all game. The Chiefs offensive momentum in this game was almost entirely due to the 2nd string OL dominating on the ground.

7. As I've mentioned, I'll be watching the game a 2nd time, so I'll add thoughts to this thread as I do.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:22 AM   #46
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I believe we keep Cyrus as a 4th RB like we did last year because DAT will be doing some receiving for us as well much like Dex last year, he's too good on S/t's to let go for another fringe player were not sure about. The guy I wonder about is Nico Johnson, is it even worth keeping him? We have so much depth at LB that I'm afraid that between Zombo, Moses, and Mauga they will keep a couple vets around; we need to keep Josh Martin, and then there's the fact that JMJ is better than Nico in every phase....what do we do? Also I live in Utah so I didn't get to see the whole game, can anyone give me a report on specific players in the secondary? Parker, Gaines, Van Dyke, Sorensen, Coop, any or all of the above and any others i didn't name that stood out?
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:25 AM   #47
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Might be the dumbest post you have every made.
Riiiiiight.

Because...... he isn't super-conservative?
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:26 AM   #48
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Alex Smith doesn't play with fire.

He plays wtih sheer, mind-numbing self-control. Too much self-control, everything is pre-meditated to the nth degree. Over time, he has managed to dull any impulse he could ever receive and operates only on the cold calculus of what should happen rather than what can happen.

Probably makes sex with him extremely boring.


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Old 08-08-2014, 11:27 AM   #49
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Riiiiiight.

Because...... he isn't super-conservative?

I think Laz was suggesting that Smith isn't as boring in the bed as you think.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:28 AM   #50
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I believe we keep Cyrus as a 4th RB like we did last year because DAT will be doing some receiving for us as well much like Dex last year, he's too good on S/t's to let go for another fringe player were not sure about. The guy I wonder about is Nico Johnson, is it even worth keeping him? We have so much depth at LB that I'm afraid that between Zombo, Moses, and Mauga they will keep a couple vets around; we need to keep Josh Martin, and then there's the fact that JMJ is better than Nico in every phase....what do we do? Also I live in Utah so I didn't get to see the whole game, can anyone give me a report on specific players in the secondary? Parker, Gaines, Van Dyke, Sorensen, Coop, any or all of the above and any others i didn't name that stood out?
Parker was beat like a drum the entire game.

Gaines looked good in press man, but lost his reciever a couple of times especially when the QB scrambled.

Cooper was invisible. I never heard his name called the entire game. This is usually good for a corner.

Sean Smith showed he is head and shoulders above Parker. Had an interception to the house on the first pass thrown his way.

Bronson looked to be the best safety on the field, albeit against the second string.

Van Dyke didn't play that I saw (I thought they released him).

Berry looked good on the sidelines. He seems to be growing his hair out which kind of made his head look like a dirty Q-tip.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:33 AM   #51
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Riiiiiight.

Because...... he isn't super-conservative?
you didn't say that in the post i quoted

You talk about lacks energy and passion etc

which is bullshit because most great QB's try and keep themselves calm.

It doesn't mean they don't care or whatever they are just trying to keep everything on an even keel.


just another stupid ass post about Alex Smith that doesn't mean shit
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:36 AM   #52
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Overthrew a "few" balls. He was 3/5 passing. One incompletion was when he threw it away while running towards the sideline. The other was the play in the flat to Bowe which was not a very good throw. On the one play where he was sacked, how was he supposed to get the ball out to Charles. He had pressure directly in his face and he was looking for an escape route.

Smith didn't play a good game, but your analysis is ****ing retarded.
JC was wide open to start the play-a little swing pass would have prob. got a first down. Instead he held and shit his pants.

And what is your excuse for missing a wide open Bowe from 10 yards? That pass was not even close-even the announcers were like wtf was that.

Fact is he came out flat, didn't act like he even wanted to be there. Hopefully most of that was because it was a meaningless preseason game and we won't see the ups and downs with Alex like last year.
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I believe we keep Cyrus as a 4th RB like we did last year because DAT will be doing some receiving for us as well much like Dex last year, he's too good on S/t's to let go for another fringe player were not sure about. The guy I wonder about is Nico Johnson, is it even worth keeping him? We have so much depth at LB that I'm afraid that between Zombo, Moses, and Mauga they will keep a couple vets around; we need to keep Josh Martin, and then there's the fact that JMJ is better than Nico in every phase....what do we do? Also I live in Utah so I didn't get to see the whole game, can anyone give me a report on specific players in the secondary? Parker, Gaines, Van Dyke, Sorensen, Coop, any or all of the above and any others i didn't name that stood out?
Nico go bye bye real soon.

Parker was matched up on Aj Green, and got his shit pushed in. Green torches him for a 50 yard pass, and Parker got hustled for two penalties. Sorensen started and was out I position nearly every time.

Gaines had a beautiful breakup on a 40 yard pass in the sidelines, but gave up two TDs. He was so badly beaten on one of those TDs that he wasn't even on the screen when it was caught.

Van Dyke didn't register for me, no idea how he played. Coop didn't get thrown at once, but I'll determine why when I re-watch.

Bronson looked like our best safety. He was on good position, and displayed good speed. I also liked Kevin Rutland, who I thought was effective on coverage, and his speed bounces off the screen.
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you didn't say that in the post i quoted

You talk about lacks energy and passion etc

which is bullshit because most great QB's try and keep themselves calm.

It doesn't mean they don't care or whatever they are just trying to keep everything on an even keel.

just another stupid ass post about Alex Smith that doesn't mean shit
I'm pretty sure you're confusing my creative license with my literal thoughts.

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Nico go bye bye real soon.

Parker was matched up on Aj Green, and got his shit pushed in. Green torches him for a 50 yard pass, and Parker got hustled for two penalties. Sorensen started and was out I position nearly every time.

Gaines had a beautiful breakup on a 40 yard pass in the sidelines, but gave up two TDs. He was so badly beaten on one of those TDs that he wasn't even on the screen when it was caught.

Van Dyke didn't register for me, no idea how he played. Coop didn't get thrown at once, but I'll determine why when I re-watch.

Bronson looked like our best safety. He was on good position, and displayed good speed. I also liked Kevin Rutland, who I thought was effective on coverage, and his speed bounces off the screen.
They showed his jersey a few times- he played in the 4th-but didn't have much action- incomplete performance for any evaluation.
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:48 AM   #56
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QBs - Daniel looked middling, even though he threw a TD to Kelce, most of his other completions where underthrown and caught by desperate dives and scoops from the turf. Bray looked meh. Alex did nothing. I didn't see Murray play (if he did, it was after I left about 2 minutes into the 4th quarter.)

RBs - Sherman looked like his usual self, and had a nice block on Wilsons return. JC touched the ball a couple times and averaged like 7-8 yards, so not worried there. Knile didn't show anything great or anything bad. DAT took that punt to the house and I called that shit all day as soon as he lined up. DAT is now my GF's favorite player for quote " I like when people are small and good at things " I said it before and will say it again. We stole DAT, and we are going to reap the rewards in Reids offense, and with Toubs special team prowess really making him shine.

WRs - I am worried about the WR position. Nobody showed any real moxy or extraordinary, just meh overall. Wilson looks like he's making a push to make the team. Kelce showed a spark. He may end up being who we thought he was, but I'm not ready to crown his ass just yet~

OLine - Honestly looked messy. Starting O line had some issues, and both starters and depth problems where compounded because there where no WR's getting open. They all need LOTS of work.

DLine - Overall looked good, even the depth. If this performance up and down the line from starters and depth is what we can expect, our CB's will need to step up because I don't think much running is going to happen on this D.

LB's - First string LB's looked as projected, I liked the look from both Mays and JMJ, and I wouldn't be surprised if either one of them wins the starting job next to DJ. Dee Ford looked a little too aggressive at times, blowing past the RB on several run plays, but on passing plays you can see the explosiveness. That being said, he didn't make an impact in the pass rush this game. Nico Johnson is going to be cut~


CB's - Gaines and Bronson looked good out there for rooks. Gaines was our only guy able to run with AJ Green and broke up a pass intended for him, while Parker looked lost trying to defend him. Parker will be replaced by Smith before the season starts. Overall, I am pretty worried about our CB's. I saw Owens on the field several times but don't remember him doing any thing. Parker looked abysmal, Cooper didn't get much time. Smith played well when he was in there.

Safetys - I expect Berry to ball, so im not too worried about the safety position. I LOVED what I saw from Bronson, he may be a rook but he was ball hawking hard and not just on the pick 6. Abdullah had a single play but wasn't on the field much. Whoever the dreadlock safety was with so much hair that I couldn't read his name needs work. Seemed lost out there and wasn't really in any position to make impact plays. White boy safety (cant remember his name) didn't do much, but DID throw a nice block on the INT return.

Special teams - Dave Toub, DAT, Colquitt. #1 ST in the league? Maybe.
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JC was wide open to start the play-a little swing pass would have prob. got a first down. Instead he held and shit his pants.

And what is your excuse for missing a wide open Bowe from 10 yards? That pass was not even close-even the announcers were like wtf was that.

Fact is he came out flat, didn't act like he even wanted to be there. Hopefully most of that was because it was a meaningless preseason game and we won't see the ups and downs with Alex like last year.
So again, where are all these overthrown receivers you were talking about? I never made an excuse for missing Bowe. I called it a poor throw. Please, give us some more of your hard-hitting analysis about all of Smith's overthrows last night.
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Hmm. You're right. Idk who I'm confusing him with; I feel like he's been here forever..
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2. Really thought Fisher looked really good on all of two plays. I watched him like a hawk, and his runblocking looked far stronger than it ever was last year. Carlos Dunlap is a very big passrusher, however (he's around 290, I think?), and gave Fisher fits on two pass plays, which tells me that the achilles heel Fisher had last year (struggling against strong passrushers) is still going to be a problem this year. On the strip-sack Fisher gave up, Trent Green argued that Fisher did a solid job on the play, but Smith held the ball too long -- which gives me some hope that Fisher is coming along.

But Alex Smith does hold the ball too long, and takes sacks rather than throw down field. That's always been Smith's game. If that's the case, than it's going to be yet another atrocious year in the game threads as folks on this forum cry (justifiably or not) about Fisher struggling to come along. As long as he blocks for Alex Smith, he's going to give up coverage sacks. Last year, however, he was just beat like a rug -- I only saw that once yesterday, when Fisher greeted a bullrush too high and got pushed back into Alex Smith's lap.
This wasn't Fisher's fault. It was a 3 step drop. Fisher should have never had the responsibility for holding the block that long.
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