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Old 08-08-2014, 09:42 AM  
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Random Thoughts on the Bengals Preseason Game

Feel free to ignore. This is just a catchall for my thoughts on the game.

1. Alex Smith has absolutely nobody to throw to. I'm looking at as much of the field as is shown during the snaps, and nobody is getting open. I'm not even sure Avery and Jenkins played, and Bowe's not exactly known as a receiver who gets wide open anyways. This is extremely troubling, and dooms us against CB-heavy teams like the Seahawks, 49ers, and Patriots (as if we weren't doomed against them already).

The good news, however, is that our non-WR receiving corps looks strong. Charles still looks great. Fasano ran routes very well last night, and Kelce has serious promise. DAT looks like he could be sharp on routes, and another year should allow Davis to develop further.

But this is a team that had the fewest receptions and yardage at the WR corps of every other team in the league, and we didn't replenish any talent in the Draft, which only featured the deepest WR class in NFL history. ****. AND we lost what was a fairly critical piece of that package last year in Dexter McCluster. Basically this means that AJ Jenkins needs to explode this year, that DAT learns the ropes in the slot very quickly, and that Travis Kelce and/or Junior Hemingway takes off, somehow.

2. Really thought Fisher looked really good on all of two plays. I watched him like a hawk, and his runblocking looked far stronger than it ever was last year. Carlos Dunlap is a very big passrusher, however (he's around 290, I think?), and gave Fisher fits on two pass plays, which tells me that the achilles heel Fisher had last year (struggling against strong passrushers) is still going to be a problem this year. On the strip-sack Fisher gave up, Trent Green argued that Fisher did a solid job on the play, but Smith held the ball too long -- which gives me some hope that Fisher is coming along.

But Alex Smith does hold the ball too long, and takes sacks rather than throw down field. That's always been Smith's game. If that's the case, than it's going to be yet another atrocious year in the game threads as folks on this forum cry (justifiably or not) about Fisher struggling to come along. As long as he blocks for Alex Smith, he's going to give up coverage sacks. Last year, however, he was just beat like a rug -- I only saw that once yesterday, when Fisher greeted a bullrush too high and got pushed back into Alex Smith's lap.

3. God, we are so fast now. We've started noticing the trend that John Dorsey has an almost Al Davis-like fascination with speed, and that shows on the field now. Charles, DAT, Albert Wilson, Knile Davis, Donnie Avery, and AJ Jenkins. Travis Kelce burned folks on his long play, too. This is as much a track team as we've ever seen, and hopefully that can compensate on offense for our lack of receiving talent.

It's noticeable on defense as well. Dee Ford is so fast around the edge, James-Michael Johnson runs like a receiver, and it sure doesn't look like anybody is going to be outrunning Phillip Gaines.

4. Rookies had a rocky performance last night, but it was great seeing them out there. Dee Ford was disruptive against the 2nd team OL, and can close that gap in a hurry. He'll need a couple years to add to his passrush arsenal, and also to work on his coverage and run-stopping abilities. That's stuff that Justin Houston had to do (albeit to a lesser extent) and hopefully Ford will improve leaps and bounds in that respect by this time next year. Phillip Gaines looked lost in coverage -- he was always going to be a project, which is why I saw him more as a 5th rounder than as the 3rd rounder we made him. On that long pass to the endzone he broke up, he showed that elite recovery speed that makes him such an outstanding athlete and could make him a great corner, but he also gave up two touchdowns from players that embarrassed him in routes. He does truly have shutdown potential, however, he just is going to take a while to get there, if he ever does.

DAT of course looked brilliant, no comments needed there, and we saw next to nothing of Aaron Murray. Fulton looked... alright. First of all, he looks ****ing massive, and not entirely in a good way. He's got a lot of extra love on those love handles, and he's going to get beat by athletic three-techs all year. But he had a decent performance last night against a DL that was missing their most important piece. I do like that he's getting his experience now. (How bad was Rishaw Johnson -- sheesh, maybe Fulton won the job by default.) I didn't notice hardly anything from Duvarney-Tardif, but I'll be rewatching soon. Albert Wilson looks like he could end up being a UDFA gem -- something this team badly needs this year. Wilson looks great in routes (albeit against 2nd and 3rd defenses), has great hands, and excellent speed.

4. As per the DL, Jaye Howard looks awful against the 1st stringers, and frequently looks bade against the 2nd string. I may revise that when I watch the game again, but I doubt it. There were huge holes opening up time after time against him in the run game. He made a couple plays against the 2nd/3rd string OL, but even then he was getting annihilated. I think he's buried on the depth chart behind DeVito and Catapano, so let's just hope we don't see a lot of him this year. That is definitely not working.

On the plus side, how good did Allen Bailey look? He's decently stout in the run game, but he's FINALLY providing the passrush from the DE position that this team desperately needs. I believe this is his contract year, and I've always loved his athletic potential. If he plays stout and throws in about 5-6 sacks this year, something he's very capable of doing, there's no reason he shouldn't be re-signed. But there is still a lot of football to play.

Vance Walker is a waste of a signing. Wow. Walker provided very little in terms of push at the NT position, and his play against the run was not that great either. He's listed as a backup NT now, but if Poe ever goes down, something tells me the team would rather slide DeVito over than get murdered up the gut thanks to Walker, who has never been a celebrated run defender anyway.

5. 3rd string guys I really like: DE Jairus Campbell, WR Frankie Hammond, QB Tyler Bray, TE Demetrius Harris, CB Kevin Rutland, RB Charcandrick West.

6. I said before that our backup OL was probably the best backup OL we've had on the field since I've been a fan, and you could see that in the 2nd quarter and 2nd half. Against a very deep Bengals team, Knile Davis, Cyrus Gray, and Charcandrick West had holes blasted open for them all game. The Chiefs offensive momentum in this game was almost entirely due to the 2nd string OL dominating on the ground.

7. As I've mentioned, I'll be watching the game a 2nd time, so I'll add thoughts to this thread as I do.
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Old 08-08-2014, 06:31 PM   #136
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btw our Dline still didn't do shit

Getting rid of Tyson Jackson was supposed to fix all the problems with the defensive line.

We still didn't generate any pressure of get much penetration without sending extra guys.
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Old 08-08-2014, 06:52 PM   #137
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For some reason, I'm not particularly high on Cyrus Gray. Yeah, he's semi-fast and semi-shifty, but something is just missing for me. Seems like he has zero power. When he gets hit, it seems that he rarely moves the pile. Don't know much about Charcandrick West, but I think I'd rather give him a shot.
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Old 08-08-2014, 06:57 PM   #138
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Smith doesn't hold the ball more than the average.

The only time he did was in 2012 when the team was winning in the 2nd half.
He will hold on and eat a sack if he doesn't see a good target.

His O-Lines have typically sucked balls at pass blocking.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/und...sack-deviation

2011 sacks
49ers
Anthony Davis 12 2.7 sec Median Sack Time
Chilo Rachal 4.5 2.7 sec Median Sack Time
Joe Staley 4 2.3 sec Median Sack Time

That is not holding the ball. That is crap blocking.

Eagles with Vick or Vince Young
Winston Justice 5 3.1 sec Median Sack Time
Nick Cole 4.5 3.1 sec Median Sack Time
Mike McGlynn 3.5 3.7 sec Median Sack Time

He holds the ball and makes the O-line look worse.
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Old 08-08-2014, 07:06 PM   #139
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Smith doesn't hold the ball more than the average.

The only time he did was in 2012 when the team was winning in the 2nd half.
He will hold on and eat a sack if he doesn't see a good target.

His O-Lines have typically sucked balls at pass blocking.
If our WRs didn't suck balls he wouldn't hold onto the ball as long as he does.

Everyone loves to yell about how conservative Smith is but he will throw the ball if someone is open, even if it's only 5 yards. The longer our routes are the bigger the problem our WRs becomes.

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Old 08-08-2014, 07:33 PM   #140
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It was a fun game to watch, looking forward to the season. The kick return really sparked this team. The winning attitude, we can do this, Reid instills is huge IMO. Big difference from seeing candy wrapper on the stairs, micro manage, flop stick, run a team.
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Old 08-08-2014, 07:47 PM   #141
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If our WRs didn't suck balls he would hold onto the ball as long as he does.

Everyone loves to yell about how conservative Smith is but he will throw the ball if someone is open, even if it's only 5 yards. The longer our routes are the bigger the problem our WRs becomes.
80 49ers TD passes 2006-2012
30 to Vernon Davis about 9 to other TEs

4 of 5 playoffs TDs to Vernon Davis

1 year in 2006 he had your prototype #1 WR that plays outside. Antonio Bryant.

Michael Crabtree was drafted in 2009. He proved himself to be mediocre outside #1 WR. He is good inside #1 WR.

KC needs to find a balance of bending somewhat to what Smith likes to do and Smith needs to bend somewhat to the strengths of the targets on the roster.
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Old 08-08-2014, 07:50 PM   #142
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80 49ers TD passes 2006-2012
30 to Vernon Davis about 9 to other TEs

4 of 5 playoffs TDs to Vernon Davis

1 year in 2006 he had your prototype #1 WR that plays outside. Antonio Bryant.

Michael Crabtree was drafted in 2009. He proved himself to be mediocre outside #1 WR. He is good inside #1 WR.

KC needs to find a balance of bending somewhat to what Smith likes to do and Smith needs to bend somewhat to the strengths of the targets on the roster.
He did. How many catches for JC last season?
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Old 08-08-2014, 08:02 PM   #143
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He did. How many catches for JC last season?
And that's bad?
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So for the people bitching about Bray making mistakes.

Uhhh... THIS is the guy who doesn't make mistakes and will win games for us if Alex goes down?

Like, what the flying **** was he throwing to?

I don't care if he sucked off Drew Brees in the locker room and obtained all his QB knowledge via osmosis in the semen. It's either a bad decision or the worst ****ing throw I've seen by a Chiefs QB since Tyler ****ing Palko.

This guy is NOT a good backup.

I was actually waiting to see how long it would take for this to come up.
You might as well have a prospect getting starts if that's what you are pinning your hopes on........pathetic.
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So for the people bitching about Bray making mistakes.

Uhhh... THIS is the guy who doesn't make mistakes and will win games for us if Alex goes down?

Like, what the flying **** was he throwing to?

I don't care if he sucked off Drew Brees in the locker room and obtained all his QB knowledge via osmosis in the semen. It's either a bad decision or the worst ****ing throw I've seen by a Chiefs QB since Tyler ****ing Palko.

This guy is NOT a good backup.

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Old 08-08-2014, 09:03 PM   #148
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Is Squidwad a former user? I originally thought he was one of the young ladies that came over from the 49ers board during the Smith trade. His start date is OCT 2013, though. So he's either a former member or came aboard the bandwagon when the Chiefs were on the winning streak last year.

Squidwad is blackbob :/
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btw our Dline still didn't do shit

Getting rid of Tyson Jackson was supposed to fix all the problems with the defensive line.

We still didn't generate any pressure of get much penetration without sending extra guys.

Devito and Catapano were out. Poe didn't seem to play for very long.

I wouldn't worry about that just yet.
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James Michael-Johnson impressed me. Hopefully he can keep improving and take that starting spot next to DJ during the season.
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