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Old 06-11-2014, 05:13 PM  
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Support for the death penalty is falling.

The death penalty is still favored by a good majority in the country, with 61% favoring it when no alternative is offered. That's down, however, from 80% from ~20 years ago.

When "life without parole" is offered as an alternative, however, it loses -- 42% to 52%. A record.

It's possible that it's just a "negative bump" from the recent botched execution, but trends have been going that direction for a couple decades now.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...death-penalty/

New Low in Preference for the Death Penalty
By Damla Ergun
Jun 5, 2014 7:00am

A majority of Americans favor life imprisonment without parole over the death penalty for convicted murderers, a first in ABC News/Washington Post polls.

Given a choice between the two options, 52 percent pick life in prison as the preferred punishment, while 42 percent favor the death penalty – the fewest in polls dating back 15 years. The result follows a botched execution by lethal injection in Oklahoma in late April.

Without an alternative offered, 61 percent continue to support the death penalty, matching 2007 as the fewest in polls back to the early 1980s. That’s down sharply from 80 percent in 1994.

Clearly there’s remaining ambivalence; when offered the option of life imprisonment with no chance of parole, 29 percent of death penalty supporters prefer the alternative.

INJECTIONS – Another result finds that most supporters of capital punishment hold that position even if lethal injections became unavailable or were outlawed. Just 16 percent of death penalty supporters say either of those would constitute grounds for doing away with capital punishment; eight in 10 would shift to another method, e.g., the electric chair or gas chamber.

Lethal injections have come under scrutiny, on issues including the unavailability of customarily used drugs, following the 43-minute botched execution of inmate Clayton D. Lockett in Oklahoma. A new law in Tennessee allows for electrocution if lethal drugs are not available.

Support for the death penalty is higher in the 32 states that have it, 64 percent, vs. 54 percent elsewhere. In a wider gap, people in death-penalty states divide about evenly in their preference for capital punishment vs. life without parole, while in other states life imprisonment is preferred by a 20-point margin.

This survey, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates, measures views on the death penalty in general. Previous polling has shown that attitudes on capital punishment can vary widely depending on the nature and circumstances of the crime.

GROUPS – Views on capital punishment range among groups. Fifty-six percent of women support the death penalty, rising to 66 percent of men. And women prefer life in prison to the death penalty by 57-37 percent, while men are evenly divided.

There’s also a vast gap by race; whites are more likely than nonwhites to support the death penalty, and to prefer it over life in prison, by 23- and 22-point margins. The gaps are widest comparing whites to blacks, a group that’s generally skeptical of the criminal justice system. Their support for the death penalty is lower than that of any other group.

Among other groups, support for the death penalty peaks among evangelical white Protestants and Republicans, at eight in 10 each, dropping to 47 percent among Democrats. It’s 20 points higher among conservatives than liberals.

Preference for capital punishment over life in prison follows similar patterns, peaking at 65 percent among evangelical white Protestants (vs. 36 percent of their non-evangelical counterparts). It’s 30 points higher among Republicans than Democrats, and 25 points higher among conservatives than liberals.

In terms of change, preference for the death penalty vs. life in prison is down by 8 points since 2006, with the most pronounced drops (by 10 to 20 points) among non-evangelical white Protestants, seniors, nonwhites, less-educated adults, liberals and independents.

METHODOLOGY – This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone May 29-June 1, 2014, in English and Spanish, among a random national sample of 1,002 adults, including landline and cell-phone-only respondents. Results have a margin of sampling error of 3.5 points, including design effect.

The survey was produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates of New York, N.Y., with sampling, data collection and tabulation by Abt-SRBI of New York, N.Y.
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Old 07-16-2014, 08:22 PM   #31
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So if the delays cause unfair outcomes, cut the delays. Seems like a bipartisan proposal.
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Old 07-17-2014, 06:53 AM   #32
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Iv'e always been iffy on this issue.

On one had I firmly believe that some people need to die for the safety of everyone else.

On the other hand the sheer number of wrongly executed people in Texas alone should be enough to cause anyone hesitation. Governments clearly do not have a high enough standard of evidence for executions.

Under the idea that ONLY the worst of the worst kind of criminals who the rest of us need protected from are executed I'm in full support. I'd rather 100 murderers rot in prison for life than deprive a mother, a daughter, or a wife of their loved one because of state negligence. That prevents me from ever throwing my support to the death penalty. It's not that I think it's morally or ethically wrong. I think that when you are punishing someone by taking EVERYTHING from them mistakes like that are not acceptable.
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Old 07-17-2014, 11:15 AM   #33
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I knew one of the murder victims of the man Missouri sent to hell yesterday.
It was justice.

The left just needs to look at the Death penalty as really late term abortions and then they'll be completely cool with it.
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Old 07-18-2014, 06:53 PM   #34
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Old 07-18-2014, 10:41 PM   #35
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No. People are just starting to realize that corruption and incompetence strikes the justice system as often as it does every other government institution. People are looking at caution. The Innocence Project has helped a lot in shaping public perception.

You can always set someone who has been jailed free but you can't bring the dead back to life.
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Old 07-19-2014, 06:37 AM   #36
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I knew one of the murder victims of the man Missouri sent to hell yesterday.
It was justice.

The left just needs to look at the Death penalty as really late term abortions and then they'll be completely cool with it.
To me, it has nothing to do with "left" or "right". When I look at the issue, I've quickly come to the conclusion that killing people for killing people just seems extremely hypocritical. What does another funeral solve? This premise completely relies on the assumption that every single person who is euthanized is guilty. That is obviously not the case.

Most people say that we should kill murderers simply to help the victims' families cope, and that this will somehow make the healing process easier. I've always had so much respect for the late Coretta Scott King because of her activism against capital punishment, even when people were screaming "fry him!" at James Earl Ray for assassinating her husband. The ultimate high road.

And finally, how many "liberals" do you know that are okay with late term abortions? I'm as liberal as they come, and I'm ardently against it. It seems like a strawman that right-wingers like to throw out to make the left look like blood thirty murderers.
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Old 10-16-2014, 06:19 PM   #37
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I'd venture to guess support for it is sky-high right now in Wichita:


Kansas man charged in the rape of 100-year-old during burglary
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Kasey Nesbitt made his first court appearance Wednesday and was charged with rape and aggravated burglary.
Kansas authorities charged a Wichita man Wednesday in the sexual assault and burglary of a 100-year-old woman during a break-in at her home.

Kasey Nesbitt, 35, was charged with rape and aggravated burglary.


The woman, who lives alone, told police that intruders forced open the door of her home on Sept. 29. She says they were in her home for several hours. Police say forensic evidence linked Nesbitt to the rape.
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Old 10-16-2014, 06:25 PM   #38
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Kasey Nesbitt, 35, was charged with rape and aggravated burglary.


The woman, who lives alone, told police that intruders forced open the door of her home on Sept. 29. She says they were in her home for several hours. Police say forensic evidence linked Nesbitt to the rape.
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Old 10-16-2014, 07:35 PM   #39
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Why would you attribute something like that to me?
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Old 10-16-2014, 07:41 PM   #40
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Are you saying you too are misunderstood?
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I'd venture to guess support for it is sky-high right now in Wichita:


Kansas man charged in the rape of 100-year-old during burglary
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Kasey Nesbitt made his first court appearance Wednesday and was charged with rape and aggravated burglary.
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Kasey Nesbitt, 35, was charged with rape and aggravated burglary.


The woman, who lives alone, told police that intruders forced open the door of her home on Sept. 29. She says they were in her home for several hours. Police say forensic evidence linked Nesbitt to the rape.
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Yeah Bowser, I have to say if that happened to my grandmother sitting peacefully in her home, there's no need for a death penalty. I'd just shoot the animal myself.
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Old 10-17-2014, 08:28 AM   #43
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Is there a big difference in public prosecutors and defenders? Seems like they both forgo higher pay in the private sector. I'd guess they're largely cut from the same cloth. The point really is whether conservatives should trust a death penalty case given their fear of government and that point is really odd.
I think the defenders vary by state. Some states have defenders on payroll, and if people think they're clowns they'd be mistaken in my opinion, in most cases. My wife worked with a public defenders office during law school and the people getting into that line of work seemed to be highly motivated by what they felt was a calling for justice. I would consider the ones I met to be very bright.
I'm sure heavy caseloads and seeing the system up close could make them very jaded after a few years, though.
I think other states, though, basically tell lawyers they have to take some amount of public defender cases and they might not be so gung-ho about doing it.
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I knew one of the murder victims of the man Missouri sent to hell yesterday.
It was justice.

The left just needs to look at the Death penalty as really late term abortions and then they'll be completely cool with it.
Yeah, funny how innocence only matters outside the womb.
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My problem isn't with killing someone who is guilty, my problem is with killing someone who is not guilty. If you can't assure me that everyone is absolutely 100% guilty (you just can't do that) I just can't stand behind the death penalty.

At the very least there should be a little leveling of the playing field when it comes to the competence of your attorneys. Just because you are poor shouldn't mean you should get a lesser defense than say a millionaire. Especially when it comes to fighting for your life. I don't know of anyway to make it fair really though.
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