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Old 03-17-2014, 06:14 PM  
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Scientists find cosmic ripples from birth of universe

Scientists find cosmic ripples from birth of universe

Published March 17, 2014


Astronomers have discovered what they believe is the first direct evidence of the astonishing expansion of the universe in the instant following the Big Bang -- the scientific explanation for the birth of the universe some 13.8 billion years ago.

Scientists believe that the universe exploded from a tiny speck and hurled itself out in all directions in the fraction of a second that followed, beginning just 10 to the minus 35 seconds (roughly one trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second) after the universe's birth. Matter ultimately coalesced hundreds of millions of years later into planets, stars, and ultimately us.

And like ripples from a ball kicked into a pond, that Big Bang-fueled expansion caused ripples in the ancient light from that event, light which remains imprinted in the skies in a leftover glow called the cosmic microwave background.

Scientists still don’t know who kicked the ball.

But if confirmed, the newfound ripples would be amazing proof of what has long been mere theory about what happened in those first millionths of a second.

“The implications for this detection stagger the mind,” said Jamie Bock, professor of physics at Caltech, laboratory senior research scientist at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) and project co-leader. “We are measuring a signal that comes from the dawn of time.”

"It would be the most important discovery since the discovery, I think, that the expansion of the universe is accelerating," Harvard astronomer Avi Loeb, who is not a member of the study team, told Space.com. He compared the finding to a 1998 observation that opened the window on mysterious dark energy and won three researchers the 2011 Nobel Prize in physics.

The groundbreaking results came from observations by BICEP2, a telescope at the South Pole, of the cosmic microwave background -- a faint glow left over from the Big Bang.

Beginning a fraction of a fraction of a second after the universe's birth, according to the current theory, space-time expanded incredibly rapidly, ballooning outward faster than the speed of light. The afterglow from that expansion is called the cosmic microwave background, and tiny fluctuations in it provide clues to conditions in the early universe.

For example, small differences in temperature across the sky show where parts of the universe were denser, eventually condensing into galaxies and galactic clusters.

Since the cosmic microwave background is a form of light, it exhibits all the properties of light, including polarization. On Earth, sunlight is scattered by the atmosphere and becomes polarized, which is why polarized sunglasses help reduce glare. In space, the cosmic microwave background was scattered by atoms and electrons and became polarized too.

“Our team hunted for a special type of polarization called ‘B-modes,’ which represents a twisting or ‘curl’ pattern in the polarized orientations of the ancient light,” said Bock.

The team presented their work at a press conference Monda at Harvard -- the discovery of that characteristic pattern of polarization in the skies, which they called proof of the gravitational waves across the primordial sky.

“This work offers new insights into some of our most basic questions: Why do we exist? How did the universe begin? These results are not only a smoking gun for inflation, they also tell us when inflation took place and how powerful the process was,” Harvard theorist Avi Loeb said.
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Old 03-18-2014, 05:43 AM   #31
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They represent two different methods of answering two different questions using the same set of data.
I thought there was only one question "how "
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Old 03-18-2014, 05:45 AM   #32
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Old 03-18-2014, 08:32 AM   #33
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It boils down to religion revolving around God being perfect. If God was perfect then there's no need for evolution because it would have been done right the first time.

Like you I don't see the big deal either. God made creatures capable of evolving as the situations evolve. Seems pretty perfect to me.
Take out God from the equation and you have a much easier equation.
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So what made the tiny speck that created the universe? Where did it come from? Haha
So what made that god that created the universe? Where did he come from? Haha
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Old 03-18-2014, 08:41 AM   #35
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So what made that god that created the universe? Where did he come from? Haha
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Yes I am thoroughly amazed and even more convinced that God created all of this and in no way could all this have evolved from primordial slime.
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no, you don't.
Yes you do.
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Never understood why science had to be an either or proposition for the existence of god. I believe in evolution, and god, and never felt conflicted. There will most likely never be proof either way, let believers believe, and unbelievers not.
They don't conflict.

Evolution conflicts with a literal interpretation of the bible, not the idea of god itself.
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They don't conflict.

Evolution conflicts with a literal interpretation of the bible, not the idea of god itself.

The conflict was created by young earth creationists and fundamentalists. They attack science, not the other way around. Science is agnostic.
Science explains the natural world.
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So what made that god that created the universe? Where did he come from? Haha
The article even points out the obvious "scientists still don't know who kicked the ball".

I would also like to point out I'm playing devils advocate on this, not trying to convince anyone the existance or non-existance of anything.

But when you rally simplify the entire arguement, science says creation happened basically by chance; while religion points more toward a designed /planned event. As far as I know it could be either. The Big Bang theory could have just been a random gas explosion, or a designed gas explosion. the findings mentioned in the OP are not proving / denying the nature to the primal question, "why".
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