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Al Gore brings climate change message to Kansas City

Al Gore has been known for his climate change warnings since the 2006 film “An Inconvenient Truth.”

But the former vice president, speaking Saturday in Kansas City, cited many more recent examples how heavy use of fossil fuels is contributing to extreme weather events and trends, in his view.

Gore filled a Westin Crown Center ballroom with a 90-minute presentation, using photos and videos to illustrate a litany of floods, wildfires, torrential rains, droughts, dust storms, rising sea levels and increasing world temperatures.

To those attending the Folk Alliance International conference, he noted examples of flooding in locations both remote and closer to home, such as in Manitou Springs, Colo., where high water barreled down mountain highways last year, carrying cars along with it.

“They had never seen anything like this in Manitou Springs,” Gore said.

He cited the possibility of how flooding in Pakistan could destabilize that country, a nuclear power, and the possible effect that continuing drought in California might have on the world’s food supply.

“Think about that,” he said. “The Dust Bowl is coming back, quickly, unless we act.”

Gore presented animation from his 2006 film depicting water pushing into the streets of lower Manhattan — much mocked at the time, Gore said — followed by images of water filling New York City subway tunnels during Hurricane Sandy in October 2012.

Gore conceded the possible fatigue some may have with his warnings, as well as the possible sense of powerlessness as to what any one individual can do to affect what appear to be vast, unchangeable trends.

“Do we really have to do this and — if the answer is yes — can we do it?” Gore said, repeating two questions he routinely hears.

“The answer to both of those questions — spoiler alert — is ‘yes.’ ”

Gore cited what he considered the increasing momentum with which renewable energy technologies such as wind and solar power have been embraced.

Just as one telephone company study 25 years ago underestimated the huge increase in the use of cellphones, estimates on the acceptance of wind and solar technology also have been conservative, Gore said.

Among the countries or states turning to renewable energy strategies, Gore mentioned the Vatican’s increasing use of solar technology. Vatican City, Gore said, wants to be the first CO2-neutral sovereign city-state in the world.

“They have two advantages,” Gore said. “It is very small, and they have God on their side.”

He urged his listeners to act on an individual basis.

“The one missing ingredient may well be you, no kidding,” he said.

And, given how he was addressing a room filled with folk music admirers, Gore framed his remarks with references to two singers: Bob Dylan and the late Pete Seeger. Reciting a phrase from “The Times They Are a-Changin’ ” and later invoking Seeger’s memory, Gore urged those in attendance to write songs and spread a renewable energy message “all over this land.”

Folk music, he added, “played a positive role in resolving the central question in civil rights, as to what was truly right and truly wrong.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/22...#storylink=cpy
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:02 AM   #76
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You can hold up your hand and cover the predictions part that continues past the present if it makes you feel better.


Have sea levels ever been higher than they are now?
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:17 AM   #77
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Forgive me if I'm not recalling correctly, but didn't the last major report say that nothing we do will stop the climate from changing/getting warmer?

Oh, and please stop having a civil discussion, it's going to hurt the D.C. board's rep.
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:43 AM   #78
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:44 AM   #79
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Have sea levels ever been higher than they are now?
Supposedly during the last interglacial age, sea levels were ~30' higher than today. But when dealing with sea levels, you also have to account for glacial isostasy and other factors for the info to really be meaningful with regards to the entire system.
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Supposedly during the last interglacial age, sea levels were ~30' higher than today. But when dealing with sea levels, you also have to account for glacial isostasy and other factors for the info to really be meaningful with regards to the entire system.
Translated as "sea levels were ~30 feet higher last time the volume of glacial ice was very low," yes?
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All you gotta do is look at a globe and you can see through Al Gore's lies. There simply isn't enough ice at the poles to appreciably raise sea levels. The only way to have a significant rise is through seismic activity and pole fluctuations. Talk about flat earthers.
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I agree to the extent that I don't believe that human activity doesn't influence our environment. Do I believe the tripe that Gore is spouting off in the OP? No, I don't, because he's demonstrably wrong.



That's possible, I suppose, but you'd agree that the use of "global warming" has dropped significantly over the last few years, yes? If so, what was the reason for the change?
Well I don't believe the tripe that Gore is spouting off either. The important thing is not to dismiss the idea in general just because an idiot politician is misinformed(Which is exactly what I see being done every time someone brings up Gore/Climate). And I extend that to any government recommended action at this time. The government has no business addressing climate change in the near future, outside of reasonable funding for further understanding.

I see "Global warming"/"Climate change" both used about the same to describe the same thing. I don't think most people realize there's actually a difference in the two. Too much misinformation/misunderstanding of the subject.
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Translated as "sea levels were ~30 feet higher last time the volume of glacial ice was very low," yes?
Correct. So a rise in sea level itself isn't exactly a definitive indicator of much without considering other factors at the same time. We can't just point to a rise in sea level as proof of anything, because it's possible to have a rise in sea level without correlating rise in temp in some scenarios.
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Well I don't believe the tripe that Gore is spouting off either. The important thing is not to dismiss the idea in general just because an idiot politician is misinformed(Which is exactly what I see being done every time someone brings up Gore/Climate). And I extend that to any government recommended action at this time. The government has no business addressing climate change in the near future, outside of reasonable funding for further understanding.
FWIW, I didn't think that you did.

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I see "Global warming"/"Climate change" both used about the same to describe the same thing. I don't think most people realize there's actually a difference in the two. Too much misinformation/misunderstanding of the subject.
Okay. I haven't seen "global warming" used in a long time, years maybe. And yes, I understand that one is more general than the other.
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All you gotta do is look at a globe and you can see through Al Gore's lies. There simply isn't enough ice at the poles to appreciably raise sea levels. The only way to have a significant rise is through seismic activity and pole fluctuations. Talk about flat earthers.
This however, is completely wrong.
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Correct. So a rise in sea level itself isn't exactly a definitive indicator of much without considering other factors at the same time. We can't just point to a rise in sea level as proof of anything, because it's possible to have a rise in sea level without correlating rise in temp in some scenarios.
How could sea levels rise without a corresponding melt of glacial ice?
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This however, is completely wrong.
You are woefully misinformed and gullible.
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The source is the Copenhagen Diagnosis. What data do you think they took liberties with?

http://www.copenhagendiagnosis.com/
I think he’s referring to the East Anglia e-mails about fixing data around a desired result.
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