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Old 02-23-2014, 04:19 PM  
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Al Gore brings climate change message to Kansas City

Al Gore has been known for his climate change warnings since the 2006 film “An Inconvenient Truth.”

But the former vice president, speaking Saturday in Kansas City, cited many more recent examples how heavy use of fossil fuels is contributing to extreme weather events and trends, in his view.

Gore filled a Westin Crown Center ballroom with a 90-minute presentation, using photos and videos to illustrate a litany of floods, wildfires, torrential rains, droughts, dust storms, rising sea levels and increasing world temperatures.

To those attending the Folk Alliance International conference, he noted examples of flooding in locations both remote and closer to home, such as in Manitou Springs, Colo., where high water barreled down mountain highways last year, carrying cars along with it.

“They had never seen anything like this in Manitou Springs,” Gore said.

He cited the possibility of how flooding in Pakistan could destabilize that country, a nuclear power, and the possible effect that continuing drought in California might have on the world’s food supply.

“Think about that,” he said. “The Dust Bowl is coming back, quickly, unless we act.”

Gore presented animation from his 2006 film depicting water pushing into the streets of lower Manhattan — much mocked at the time, Gore said — followed by images of water filling New York City subway tunnels during Hurricane Sandy in October 2012.

Gore conceded the possible fatigue some may have with his warnings, as well as the possible sense of powerlessness as to what any one individual can do to affect what appear to be vast, unchangeable trends.

“Do we really have to do this and — if the answer is yes — can we do it?” Gore said, repeating two questions he routinely hears.

“The answer to both of those questions — spoiler alert — is ‘yes.’ ”

Gore cited what he considered the increasing momentum with which renewable energy technologies such as wind and solar power have been embraced.

Just as one telephone company study 25 years ago underestimated the huge increase in the use of cellphones, estimates on the acceptance of wind and solar technology also have been conservative, Gore said.

Among the countries or states turning to renewable energy strategies, Gore mentioned the Vatican’s increasing use of solar technology. Vatican City, Gore said, wants to be the first CO2-neutral sovereign city-state in the world.

“They have two advantages,” Gore said. “It is very small, and they have God on their side.”

He urged his listeners to act on an individual basis.

“The one missing ingredient may well be you, no kidding,” he said.

And, given how he was addressing a room filled with folk music admirers, Gore framed his remarks with references to two singers: Bob Dylan and the late Pete Seeger. Reciting a phrase from “The Times They Are a-Changin’ ” and later invoking Seeger’s memory, Gore urged those in attendance to write songs and spread a renewable energy message “all over this land.”

Folk music, he added, “played a positive role in resolving the central question in civil rights, as to what was truly right and truly wrong.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/22...#storylink=cpy
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:30 AM   #61
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Do you think NASA, along with those other listed scientific institutions, are religious in their belief that climate change is happening and humans are contributing?
Honestly, yes some of them come across as zealots. When you read some of their statements in the press vs what's in the actual reports they produce, they are closer to Gore than scientists. Hopefully the zealots are in the minority.
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:33 AM   #62
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I would imagine that some of the people within those organizations are, sure. But I was referring to people like Gore and I guess Aturnis.
Do you disagree with all of the listed organizations' claim that climate change is happening and humans are contributing?
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:34 AM   #63
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Honestly, yes some of them come across as zealots. When you read some of their statements in the press vs what's in the actual reports they produce, they are closer to Gore than scientists. Hopefully the zealots are in the minority.
Can you give some specifics?
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:41 AM   #64
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Do you disagree with all of the listed organizations' claim that climate change is happening and humans are contributing?
No.

Perhaps you know, but when and why did "global warming" die?
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:43 AM   #65
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Has the temperature risen as much as they predicted it would by now?

Have the sea levels risen as much as they predicted it would by now?
Yeah, actually both have been predicted with surprising accuracy..

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In this post we will evaluate this contrarian claim by comparing the global surface temperature projections from each of the first four IPCC reports to the subsequent observed temperature changes. We will see what the peer-reviewed scientific literature has to say on the subject, and show that not only have the IPCC surface temperature projections been remarkably accurate, but they have also performed much better than predictions made by climate contrarians (Figure 1).


Figure 1: IPCC temperature projections (red, pink, orange, green) and contrarian projections (blue and purple) vs. observed surface temperature changes (average of NASA GISS, NOAA NCDC, and HadCRUT4; black and red) for 1990 through 2012.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/con...-accurate.html
Sea level rise has actually been worse than what was projected...

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The IPCC projections are derived from climate models. Using both tide gauge and satellite data, we can see that sea levels are rising. Unfortunately, sea level rise is already tracking the worst-case projections, as this graph shows:



In fact, the climate models underestimated the rate of sea level rise because the rapid melting of the ice sheets and glaciers was not incorporated in the last IPCC report. (It was left out because the data were not considered sufficiently robust).

http://www.skepticalscience.com/sea-...redictions.htm
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:46 AM   #66
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IPCC? Aren't those the chaps who took a little liberty with their data?
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:51 AM   #67
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IPCC? Aren't those the chaps who took a little liberty with their data?
The source is the Copenhagen Diagnosis. What data do you think they took liberties with?

http://www.copenhagendiagnosis.com/
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IPCC? Aren't those the chaps who took a little liberty with their data?
Also... other models have accurately predicted the same...


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Figure 4: Sea level hindcasts and projections for different models calibrated with different temperature and sea level data. The error bars on the right indicate 90% confidence intervals (5–95 percentile, using the GISS temperature dataset); for the proxy-based projection the uncertainty is as presented in Kemp et al., 2011. (Rahmstorf 2011)

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The source is the Copenhagen Diagnosis. What data do you think they took liberties with?

http://www.copenhagendiagnosis.com/
I don't know.

So, how do those rather minimal rises compare to the doom and gloom of the Al Gores of the climate change movement?

And, when and why did "global warming" get replaced with "climate change"?
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Also... other models have accurately predicted the same...
Accurately predicted what the sea level rise will be in 2100?

Do they have time machines or something?
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No.

Perhaps you know, but when and why did "global warming" die?
I didn't think you disagreed, but glad to hear it anyway.

Both "Global warming" and "Climate change" have been used independently for a long time. Yes, there's been much confusion about that, and some people claim that the name was changed. But that's not really the case:

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There have long been claims that some unspecificed "they" has "changed the name from 'global warming' to 'climate change'". In reality, the two terms mean different things, have both been used for decades, and the only individual to have specifically advocated changing the name in this fashion is a global warming 'skeptic'.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/clim...al-warming.htm
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I don't know.

So, how do those rather minimal rises compare to the doom and gloom of the Al Gores of the climate change movement?

And, when and why did "global warming" get replaced with "climate change"?
I don't really pay much attention to the Al Gores of the climate change movement. Because they're misinformed idiots who's intentions are completely wrong.

I addressed the second question in the last post. The term wasn't replaced.
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Accurately predicted what the sea level rise will be in 2100?

Do they have time machines or something?
You can hold up your hand and cover the predictions part that continues past the present if it makes you feel better.
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I didn't think you disagreed, but glad to hear it anyway.
I agree to the extent that I don't believe that human activity doesn't influence our environment. Do I believe the tripe that Gore is spouting off in the OP? No, I don't, because he's demonstrably wrong.

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Both "Global warming" and "Climate change" have been used independently for a long time. Yes, there's been much confusion about that, and some people claim that the name was changed. But that's not really the case:
That's possible, I suppose, but you'd agree that the use of "global warming" has dropped significantly over the last few years, yes? If so, what was the reason for the change?
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