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Old 02-23-2014, 05:19 PM  
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Al Gore brings climate change message to Kansas City

Al Gore has been known for his climate change warnings since the 2006 film “An Inconvenient Truth.”

But the former vice president, speaking Saturday in Kansas City, cited many more recent examples how heavy use of fossil fuels is contributing to extreme weather events and trends, in his view.

Gore filled a Westin Crown Center ballroom with a 90-minute presentation, using photos and videos to illustrate a litany of floods, wildfires, torrential rains, droughts, dust storms, rising sea levels and increasing world temperatures.

To those attending the Folk Alliance International conference, he noted examples of flooding in locations both remote and closer to home, such as in Manitou Springs, Colo., where high water barreled down mountain highways last year, carrying cars along with it.

“They had never seen anything like this in Manitou Springs,” Gore said.

He cited the possibility of how flooding in Pakistan could destabilize that country, a nuclear power, and the possible effect that continuing drought in California might have on the world’s food supply.

“Think about that,” he said. “The Dust Bowl is coming back, quickly, unless we act.”

Gore presented animation from his 2006 film depicting water pushing into the streets of lower Manhattan — much mocked at the time, Gore said — followed by images of water filling New York City subway tunnels during Hurricane Sandy in October 2012.

Gore conceded the possible fatigue some may have with his warnings, as well as the possible sense of powerlessness as to what any one individual can do to affect what appear to be vast, unchangeable trends.

“Do we really have to do this and — if the answer is yes — can we do it?” Gore said, repeating two questions he routinely hears.

“The answer to both of those questions — spoiler alert — is ‘yes.’ ”

Gore cited what he considered the increasing momentum with which renewable energy technologies such as wind and solar power have been embraced.

Just as one telephone company study 25 years ago underestimated the huge increase in the use of cellphones, estimates on the acceptance of wind and solar technology also have been conservative, Gore said.

Among the countries or states turning to renewable energy strategies, Gore mentioned the Vatican’s increasing use of solar technology. Vatican City, Gore said, wants to be the first CO2-neutral sovereign city-state in the world.

“They have two advantages,” Gore said. “It is very small, and they have God on their side.”

He urged his listeners to act on an individual basis.

“The one missing ingredient may well be you, no kidding,” he said.

And, given how he was addressing a room filled with folk music admirers, Gore framed his remarks with references to two singers: Bob Dylan and the late Pete Seeger. Reciting a phrase from “The Times They Are a-Changin’ ” and later invoking Seeger’s memory, Gore urged those in attendance to write songs and spread a renewable energy message “all over this land.”

Folk music, he added, “played a positive role in resolving the central question in civil rights, as to what was truly right and truly wrong.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/22...#storylink=cpy
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:24 PM   #46
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What caused the first Dust bowl?
Several factors. bad farming practices where top soil is concerned were a huge factor
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:25 PM   #47
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Several factors. bad farming practices where top soil is concerned were a huge factor
Not climate, then.
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:27 PM   #48
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Not climate, then.
ehh, their was a drought on, those happen, IMO most was lack of knowledge about farming top soil. Could it ever happen again. No


FDR signs Soil Conservation Act, April 27, 1935
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/36362.html
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:48 PM   #49
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:50 PM   #50
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Old 02-23-2014, 09:11 PM   #52
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Of course climate change is real. The question is how much, if at all, man contributes to it.

Now, have ANY of the predictions made by the global warming folks actually come to fruition? If not, does that not make you somewhat skeptical of their predictions, past, present and future?
They predicted that the average temperature of the earth would get warmer and it has.

They predicted that sea level would rise, and it has.

I could go on...
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Old 02-23-2014, 09:13 PM   #53
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:13 AM   #54
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I am actually starting to believe that the people who claim that global warming/climate change is actually akin to religion may be right. I suppose the science geek in me didn't want to believe it, but every time I see "denial," it makes my skin crawl now.
So you can click on the following link, and actually tell yourself that you know more about the topic than NASA, AAAS, ACS, AGU, AMA, AMS, APS, GSA, USNAS, IPCC, etc, etc?

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

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"Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)
You really think all those scientific organizations are wrong? If so, that's quite a bold statement....
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:15 AM   #55
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They predicted that the average temperature of the earth would get warmer and it has.

They predicted that sea level would rise, and it has.

I could go on...
Has the temperature risen as much as they predicted it would by now?

Have the sea levels risen as much as they predicted it would by now?
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:16 AM   #56
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So you can click on the following link, and actually tell yourself that you know more about the topic than NASA, AAAS, ACS, AGU, AMA, AMS, APS, GSA, USNAS, IPCC, etc, etc?

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus



You really think all those scientific organizations are wrong? If so, that's quite a bold statement....
I don't see what you posted has to do with my post.
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Ok
So, basically you tried to insult Donger and came off looking like a clown in that exchange.

Nicely done.
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:24 AM   #58
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I don't see what you posted has to do with my post.
Do you think NASA, along with those other listed scientific institutions, are religious in their belief that climate change is happening and humans are contributing?
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So you can click on the following link, and actually tell yourself that you know more about the topic than NASA, AAAS, ACS, AGU, AMA, AMS, APS, GSA, USNAS, IPCC, etc, etc?

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus



You really think all those scientific organizations are wrong? If so, that's quite a bold statement....
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I don't see what you posted has to do with my post.
See the religion angle. Fish had it right earlier in that Gore = Phelps. Gore routinely gets things wrong, either intentionally, or due to his ignorance.

The problem with Gore is that he give the true deniers a huge platform from which to fling mud at the actual science. Gore's lies/misinformation do more to harm support for study of climate change than anything a denier can do.

Sadly, if you point out that no climate model has accurately predicted the past, let alone the future, you will be shouted down as a denier.

What I think anyone with a functioning brain can see is that we need to find alternate modes of power generation.
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Do you think NASA, along with those other listed scientific institutions, are religious in their belief that climate change is happening and humans are contributing?
I would imagine that some of the people within those organizations are, sure. But I was referring to people like Gore and I guess Aturnis.
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