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Old 02-20-2014, 01:21 PM  
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The Combine's Here, Bitch!

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2014 NFL Combine schedule: TV channel, online streaming, invite list, workouts and more
By Matt Conner
on Feb 20 2014, 10:12a

he road to the NFL Draft is longer in 2014 than any other offseason given the league's decision to push it back a few weeks to May 8-10. For the next three months, draftniks will circle around prospects like hawks, analyzing their every move and weighing the pros and cons of each player.

The process starts en masse this week with the start of the 2014 NFL Combine in Indianapolis. If you love the Draft, then this is a big week for you.

For those who are new to the NFL Combine, it's a seven-day event broken up into four-day shifts for each position group (quarterbacks to punters). Each group comes to Indy for four days to meet with representatives from each NFL team for medical assessments, interviews and a number of workouts. It's termed the Underwear Olympics for that reason, as teams fall in and out of love with prospects based on 40-yard dash times and vertical leaps.

The quick guide to the CombineNow that you have the basics, let's dive into a little more what's going down this week in Indianapolis.

The Combine workout schedule

Here are the days the actual workouts for each position group:

Saturday, Feb. 22: Tight Ends, Offensive Linemen, Special Teams

Sunday, Feb.23: Quarterbacks, Running Backs, Wide Receivers

Monday, Feb. 24: Defensive Line, Linebackers

Tuesday, Feb. 25: Defensive Backs

There are four groups of players arriving as shown above. Each group has four days of events.

Day 1: Travel to Indianapolis* ~ Registration ~ Hospital Pre-Exam & X-rays ~ Orientation ~ Interviews

Day 2: Measurements ~ Medical Examinations ~ Media ~ Interviews

Day 3: NFLPA Meeting ~ Psychological Testing ~ PK/ST Workout ~ Bench Press ~ Interviews

Day 4: On-Field Workout (timing, stations, skill drills) ~ Departure from Indianapolis

With the first arrivals coming on Wednesday, that puts the first day of workouts on Saturday.

The players invited

Every top college football player will likely be in attendance in Indianapolis, even if some of the top athletes won't participate in the workouts. The NFL invited over 300 players to attend. Teddy Bridgewater to Jadeveon Clowney, your favorite college players will likely be there.

Who is eligible to be invited to the Combine? Basically, seniors without college eligibility left and those who have declared early.

And how are players selected to the Combine? Read this:

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Participants are determined annually by a Selection Committee. The Directors of both National and BLESTO scouting services, which combined represent twenty-five NFL teams, are joined by members of various NFL player personnel departments to form the committee. The participating NFL executives can rotate on a yearly basis, and remain anonymous. ALL eligible players are reviewed and voted on by the committee members. Each athlete receiving the necessary number of votes, by position, is then extended an invitation. While it is not a perfect science, the goal of the committee is to invite every player that will be drafted in the ensuing NFL Draft.
You can find the full list of players expected to attend at the bottom of this post. While the list is comprehensive, there are a few players every year who are drafted but didn't get invited to the Combine.

The workouts

The most important one is not a workout -- it's the interview. Teams will have the opportunity to interview players where they'll get about 15 minutes with them. With so little time, the questions have to be precise and all have a purpose.

The second most important item there is getting the medical check-up -- essentially confirming that the player is healthy or checking out previous injuries. Team doctors will want this information so the GMs and coaches can make an informed decision.

Some of the other workouts, via Big Blue View:

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40-yard dash: Measures straight line speed over a distance. Not very important for non-skill position players, but coming from the 40-yard dash is the "10-yard split." That is the time it takes to travel the first 10 yards of the event and gives a measurement as to the player's explosion and first step. Very important for defensive and offensive linemen. Dontari Poe had a 10-yard split of 1.7 at 330 pounds, which is decent for a linebacker.Bruce Irvin at 235 pounds had a 10-yard split of 1.57, which is a good number for a defensive back. Both help push those players into the middle of the first round.

Bench press: Fairly simple, it measures upper body strength. Moreso it shows if you have stayed in good condition over the offseason. Poor numbers here possibly indicate not working hard enough.

Vertical and Broad jump: Another measurement of explosion and lower body strength. Also important for wide receivers and defensive backs to show off their leaping ability.

3-cone drill: Essentially a change of direction drill. Most important for skill position players. Shows off lateral agility and ability to accelerate out of a turn. One of the drills that translates best on the field. A good score in the 3 cone is often a marker for a high draft pick.

20/60-yard shuttles: Shows the ability to come to a complete stop and accelerate. Obviously important for any position and a good score here is indicative of explosion and body control. As you can see, explosion is a big factor here and one that the NFL is keen to see.

Position-specific drills: Each position has specific drills that test for many different attributes. Change of direction and hip swing for defensive backs, hands skills for wide receivers during the "gauntlet," kick slide drills for the offensive linemen, power for the defensive linemen in hitting bag drills and accuracy for quarterbacks in throwing drills.
How do I watch the Combine?

NFL Network will televise some of it.

NFL.com will stream the action.

KCChiefs.com will have full video of Andy Reid and John Dorsey's press conferences but will not stream them live.
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:43 PM   #541
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I am pretty sure that Sutton has his lineman 2-gapping, not 1-gapping.
Both, actually.
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:44 PM   #542
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well that is how you get guys like Glen Dorsey. Drafted for a 4-3 and end up playing 3-4 end. Didnt work out all that well for the chiefs.
It's also how you pass on guys you should take.


Scheme fit is absolutely something that's should be in your list when checking a prospect, it's just that it shouldn't be

A. At the top of the list or

B. a determining factor
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:45 PM   #543
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It's a good thing I'm not running the draft room, because I can't get interested even for a second in defensive front seven players.

I'm trying, but I just really don't want to see us spend a high pick on defense. I feel like our offensive skill positions have been ****ing horrible for years now, and I'm a little obsessed with getting pass catchers.

I know that's stupid, but I just felt like coming clean.
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:47 PM   #544
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You've never heard of a hybrid defense? Get with the times.
thats not what I said, nor does it relate to the quoted text. you are using propaganda techniques such as "misrepresenting your opponents position."
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It's a good thing I'm not running the draft room, because I can't get interested even for a second in defensive front seven players.

I'm trying, but I just really don't want to see us spend a high pick on defense. I feel like our offensive skill positions have been ****ing horrible for years now, and I'm a little obsessed with getting pass catchers.

I know that's stupid, but I just felt like coming clean.
I'm a dl junkie, but I feel the same
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:49 PM   #546
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Both, actually.
can you please provide some proof of that statement? thanks.

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It's also how you pass on guys you should take.


Scheme fit is absolutely something that's should be in your list when checking a prospect, it's just that it shouldn't be

A. At the top of the list or

B. a determining factor
I disagree, and I think the chiefs disagree as well. Time will tell, but it seems like history seems to agree. All their FA pickups were to fit the scheme. Same goes with their draft picks last yr.
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first, Irvin was 6'3'', 245lbs who ran the forty at 4.41 seconds. He is like an OLB....not comparable.



I am pretty sure that Sutton has his lineman 2-gapping, not 1-gapping.
You're right, he isn't comparable. But that's because Irvin was a raw project whereas Donald is a known commodity who is fairly polished with his technique and had tremendous production to go along with his eye-popping athleticism. Only thing they have in common is that both are undersized for the positions that they play. Irvin is a pass rusher for the Seahawks, he fills the same role as Clemons did.

Sutton's 3-4 is more of a hybrid scheme, the DL is asked to 2-gap as well as 1-gap. I guess you missed the statement that virtually every one of the players made when they said it was an attacking style of defense vs your purist 2-gap scheme? Jesus, you don't even know your own team.
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Are you suggesting some can't?
nope. I am suggesting that Aaron Donald cant. I dont think he fits in a 3-4 defense.

Also, your use of not answering my question, and instead asking another is a propaganda technique known as "answering a question with a question."
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can you please provide some proof of that statement? thanks.



I disagree, and I think the chiefs disagree as well. Time will tell, but it seems like history seems to agree. All their FA pickups were to fit the scheme. Same goes with their draft picks last yr.
Just because the Chiefs disagree, doesn't make it right.
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nope. I am suggesting that Aaron Donald cant. I dont think he fits in a 3-4 defense.

Also, your use of not answering my question, and instead asking another is a propaganda technique known as "answering a question with a question."
I frankly don't care about Donald either way, as I'm speaking more to a philosophical line of thinking.

Be it Donald or a big wr or whatever it is.

That's what I'm talking about though. You don't just go thru a list throwing prospects out because they don't fit x or y. If a guy is a good enough football player, you fit your scheme to him.
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I guess you missed the statement that virtually every one of the players made when they said it was an attacking style of defense vs your purist 2-gap scheme?
I am unaware that "attacking style" means 1-gap. I would still appreciate some proof that the chiefs 2013 defense would have their defensive lineman 1-gap. thanks in advance.

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Jesus, you don't even know your own team.
this is a propaganda technique known as Ad Hominem, or deligitimizing one's opponent.

Personally, I would appreciate the discourse without the propaganda techniques. Its more civil and allows us all to share information and learn some things.
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I also don't need a ****ing political lesson in draft planet.

Mayr make more than 1000 posts before you start telling members what to and what not to do
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That's what I'm talking about though. You don't just go thru a list throwing prospects out because they don't fit x or y. If a guy is a good enough football player, you fit your scheme to him.
I understand that line of thinking, but an offense or defense functions as a unit. An example would be the offensive line. They have to play as a cohesive unit. A zone blocking line that has some players who are strictly man blockers will struggle as a hole. Same for vice-versa.
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and Hali plays 3-4 OLB, not 3-4 DE.

6'3'', 275lb at his combine. I wouldnt want Hali to play 3-4 DE either.

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