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Old 11-12-2013, 03:11 PM  
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The Second Law of Robotics is: A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings.

Over the weekend, a virtual sex simulator debuted in Japan, Kotaku reported. The "VR Tenga" is the product of a joint effort from adult toy company Tenga and virtual reality pioneer Oculus VR, the company behind an immersive virtual reality headset called the Oculus Rift.

The VR Tenga was unveiled at an Oculus Rift game jam in Tokyo and, as can be seen in the NSFW video above, has at least a few people excited. Buzzfeed explains how the contraption gets the robo-job done:

The device attaches a Novint Falcon—a grip-based, haptic controller—to a Tenga, a Japanese industrial masturbator. Used as intended, the user would insert his penis into the Tenga, which would be manipulated by the Falcon. All the while the user views on his Oculus some sort of visual stimulation synced to the movement of the hybrid Falcon/Tenga.

In a HuffPost/YouGov survey conducted in April, eighteen percent of respondents said they believed sex robots would be available by 2030, while only nine percent said they would have sex with a robot if they had the opportunity.

Who could resist?
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Old 11-12-2013, 04:29 PM   #31
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Well how many people in Japan are using this robotic device? I'm sure that is not known but would be pertinent to your argument.
This porn robot is symptomatic, it's not the disease.

Take a look at the slate article. Peruse google and take a look at the social structure of young Japanese citizens.

If that were what we were facing in the states, I know I'd be damn alarmed.

I read a book called "Bowling Alone" years back that talked about this sort of thing in the states and most of it was fairly prophetic.

It's also peanuts compared to what we're seeing in Japan. This really is the kind of thing that could lead to the gradual disintegration of an entire nation of people (nation in lower case, not from a geo-political standpoint).
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Old 11-12-2013, 04:33 PM   #32
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Wouldn't that also apply to those no value Asians you speak of?
First off, I didn't say "Asian". That's a major faux pas on your part.

Secondly, you're clearly missing the point.
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Old 11-12-2013, 04:33 PM   #33
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The reality is I have never been to Japan so I have no experience with people living there. Perhaps it is as you say..? My wife of 38 odd years or so is of Japanese ancestry and I can tell you most all of her relatives are pretty decent, hard working, honest folks.
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Old 11-12-2013, 04:38 PM   #34
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The reality is I have never been to Japan so I have no experience with people living there. Perhaps it is as you say..? My wife of 38 odd years or so is of Japanese ancestry and I can tell you most all of her relatives are pretty decent, hard working, honest folks.
Are her relatives millenials, though? We're talking about this generation and the next, not the previous one.
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Old 11-12-2013, 04:53 PM   #35
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My point isn't about being religious versus non-religious. It's that Japan's society and societal thinking is completely different than America's, which that can be traced directly to the absence of Judeo-Christian "morality".

For example, while I might choose to be agnostic or atheist, it would be virtually impossible for me to forget and disregard the Christian teachings I learned at church and in CCD during the first 12 years of my life. They're ingrained, regardless of whether or not I believe that the God of Abraham and Isaac or Jesus exists.

That is very, very different than a entire society of millions of people that have never been raised, nurtured or taught those same values and teachings.
I guess I just disagree with the way you're intertwining the two and still saying it's not about religion. Morality is way too complicated to be reduced only to values coming from Judeo-Christian teachings. And in your instance, you're still assuming that the example person in question went to church the first 12 years of their life. Most of those values are inherent to all humans no matter where they're born.

I simply don't think religion has any place in the discussion at all, either directly or latently applied like you're doing. And I also don't think the US is any example at all to point to in regards to great morals. We're suffering from many of the same moral ills that they are. And it will get worse as population density and poverty both increase here like it has there. We're headed down that path a lot more than people realize.
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I guess I just disagree with the way you're intertwining the two and still saying it's not about religion. Morality is way too complicated to be reduced only to values coming from Judeo-Christian teachings. And in your instance, you're still assuming that the example person in question went to church the first 12 years of their life. Most of those values are inherent to all humans no matter where they're born.

I simply don't think religion has any place in the discussion at all, either directly or latently applied like you're doing. And I also don't think the US is any example at all to point to in regards to great morals. We're suffering from many of the same moral ills that they are. And it will get worse as population density and poverty both increase here like it has there. We're headed down that path a lot more than people realize.
Don't think of it as religion but rather a philosophy and how such philosophy came to shape our means of governance, business and social ethics and personal motivations.
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Old 11-12-2013, 04:59 PM   #37
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I think that's a sad statement, to be honest.

Family provides us with many of our greatest successes. Sure, going it lone-wolf is easier, but so is settling in at middle-management. Ambition is a bitch and sometimes it hurts more than it helps. But if done well, that ambition will serve you greater than ambivalence ever will.

The same applies to family life. Marry poorly and make a marginal investment and it's not going to work to your advantage. Marry well and work on it and you'll live a happier, more well-rounded life for it.

It's tougher at times, but I think your life is far more fulfilling and far more rewarding for the effort.

But your mileage may vary.
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Are her relatives millenials, though? We're talking about this generation and the next, not the previous one.
Both her father and mother were born in America. Prior to that all were born in Japan. Of her relatives I have met, most are her and my age..50's and 60's. Old timers...
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I guess I just disagree with the way you're intertwining the two and still saying it's not about religion. Morality is way too complicated to be reduced only to values coming from Judeo-Christian teachings. And in your instance, you're still assuming that the example person in question went to church the first 12 years of their life. Most of those values are inherent to all humans no matter where they're born.

I simply don't think religion has any place in the discussion at all, either directly or latently applied like you're doing. And I also don't think the US is any example at all to point to in regards to great morals. We're suffering from many of the same moral ills that they are. And it will get worse as population density and poverty both increase here like it has there. We're headed down that path a lot more than people realize.
You're welcome to disagree.

FWIW, do you or your colleagues visit Japan frequently? Do you do direct business with them? Are you familiar with Buddhism and how it's practiced in Japan? Are you familiar with their current society, as a whole?
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Don't think of it as religion but rather a philosophy and how such philosophy came to shape our means of governance, business and social ethics and personal motivations.
Cultural?
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"And it will get worse as population density and poverty both increase here like it has there" -fish

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bukakke = porn here,

drug use in japan is less common than here by far,

less poverty and a decline in pop there.

not to mention

less violent crime and property crime.

A friend of mine lives there, has since he got out of the army in 2007. Loves it, people are friendly, respectful, trustworthy. I don't think you guys have a clue what you are talking about.
That's nice. I sure am glad you're living vicariously through your friend.
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Dane isn't talking about religion per say, its more about moral code that majority of the USA goes off is based on Judeo-Christian values.
Still not getting it. Is he trying to say that: 1) This will be a common household item in Japan, and 2) It won't sell here?

You can buy sex in the US. You can buy sex toys in the US. So someone in Japan develops a high tech sex toy, and that means the nation is immoral or weird because of its lack of a Judeo-Christian origin?

Sounds like some rather lame ass reasoning to me.
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