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Old 11-04-2013, 05:32 PM  
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****Official 2014 STL Cardinals thread ****

2011 WS Championship
2012 one win from another WS
2013 two wins from another WS title
2014?
  • This is a franchise that has made the postseason 10 times in the last 14 seasons.
  • Reached three World Series in the last decade, and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
  • Our new Manager has more post season experience than any other manager in baseball, except the Giants manager.
  • Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
  • 60 post season wins since 2004. 20+ wins more than any other team.
  • Only one of the last 14 seasons has been a losing one.

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Old 11-06-2013, 07:41 PM   #46
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No can sit here with a straight face and say they want Ellsbury if they are five percent worried about anyone else's injury history.
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:47 PM   #47
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No can sit here with a straight face and say they want Ellsbury if they are five percent worried about anyone else's injury history.
You have been high on Drew all year. Giving up a draft pick to get Drew is a tough one to swallow. Those draft picks are what allow us to compete with the BILLION TV contracts of the Yankees, LA etc. hard to part with. But when I think of Kozma starting next year...
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:48 PM   #48
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I didn't really think Drew would get that qualifying offer. That changes things.
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:23 PM   #49
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Lots or rumors/Blogs/talk that the Yankees have already made a large offer to Beltran. I'd hate to give up our extra draft pick for Drew.
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:27 PM   #50
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Lots or rumors/Blogs/talk that the Yankees have already made a large offer to Beltran. I'd hate to give up our extra draft pick for Drew.
Why do you think they are hellbent on signing Drew? It's one possibility of many, but probably among the least likely. There's a better chance of them flipping some pitching to the Angels for Erick Aybar than there is them signing Drew.
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:42 PM   #51
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Yeah I don't get the Drew thoughts. He's gonna cost enough that it could hinder you from potentially keeping some young talent you've developed.

If that's the case, we need a player who's a hell of a lot better than Drew.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:04 PM   #52
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Yeah I don't get the Drew thoughts. He's gonna cost enough that it could hinder you from potentially keeping some young talent you've developed.

If that's the case, we need a player who's a hell of a lot better than Drew.
He's really not. The team is going to clear close to $50 million off the rolls if they decline arb w/ Axford.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:15 PM   #53
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if they decline arb w/ Axford.
I don't see the Cardinals/Mo/Matheny going into the season without a veteran reliever in the bullpen.

We are not loaded with cash. Everyone gets a raise. We don't benefit any more than other clubs. We have raises coming. But, we do have the money to sign a top ten FA or pick up a high $ contract in a trade. Just one $15-$17 million for 5-6 years pick up.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:34 PM   #54
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I don't see the Cardinals/Mo/Matheny going into the season without a veteran reliever in the bullpen.

We are not loaded with cash. Everyone gets a raise. We don't benefit any more than other clubs. We have raises coming. But, we do have the money to sign a top ten FA or pick up a high $ contract in a trade. Just one $15-$17 million for 5-6 years pick up.
The Cardinals had $116 million in contracts this year and currently have $75-ish million committed next year to the following players

Holliday
Jay
Freese
Kozma
Wong
Carpenter
Adams
Descalso
Molina

Wainwright
Wacha
Miller
Lynn
Kelly
Martinez
Choate
Rosenthal
Motte
Garcia
Siegrist
Maness

And that's not counting several fringe pitching arms that would make the league minimum.

The Cardinals have a ton of payroll flexibility.

The last thing the Cardinals need to do is turn into the Oklahoma City Thunder and ruin their chances at building a dynasty because ownership ends up bullshitting the fans into a need to save money.
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He's really not. The team is going to clear close to $50 million off the rolls if they decline arb w/ Axford.
This year, sure.


I was talking the latter part of his deal.
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This year, sure.


I was talking the latter part of his deal.
By the time that is going down Garcia and Holliday will be off the books. That's $25+ per year
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The Cardinals have a ton of payroll flexibility.
This year. It's those later years of contracts that doom teams.
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The last thing the Cardinals need to do is turn into the Oklahoma City Thunder and ruin their chances at building a dynasty because ownership ends up bullshitting the fans into a need to save money.
Come on man, the Cardinals are not cheap. They spend money. We have a top ten payroll with a shitty TV/Cable contract. They have done a good job generating money without a gigantic TV contract.
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This year. It's those later years of contracts that doom teams.
Come on man, the Cardinals are not cheap. They spend money. We have a top ten payroll with a shitty TV/Cable contract. They have done a good job generating money without a gigantic TV contract.
Wainwright, Craig, and Molina are the only two players on this team with contracts that run past 2016.
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The Cardinals and Rockies will discuss a potential Troy Tulowitzki trade at this week's GM/owner meetings, Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports reports. The Cardinals have also asked the Rangers about the possibility of trading for Elvis Andrus or Jurickson Profar, Passan writes

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Passan writes that one potential piece the Rockies might receive in return is first baseman Matt Adams, who so far has been blocked by Allen Craig in St. Louis. Adams hit .284/.335/.503 in part-time duty for the Cardinals this year. The Rockies would also like a pitcher -- the Cardinals will not trade Michael Wacha, but Shelby Miller appears to be a possibility. Adams and Miller would highlight a package of three or four players that the Rockies might receive in return for Tulowitzki.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/1...zki-trade.html
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