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Old 10-28-2013, 09:46 AM  
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:47 AM   #31
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lol if you think we would be 6-2 with ****ing Jason Campbell or Matt Flynn or Matt ****ing Moore holy hell those guys are terrible. We'd be lucky to win a game (The Jags, maybe)
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:47 AM   #32
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lol if you think we would be 6-2 with ****ing Jason Campbell or Matt Flynn or Matt ****ing Moore holy hell those guys are terrible. We'd be lucky to win a game (The Jags, maybe)
Jason Campbell has posted QB ratings that exceed that of Alex Smith, currently, 4 times in his career. Including one season in which he was with a new team in a new offense.

Moore has never played a full season, but in the only year in which he had double digit starts, guess what? Higher QB rating than the one Alex Smith currently possesses.

Matt Flynn has never played any extended period of time, but the Chiefs would be asking him to do what he did in college (not mess up, manage the game). I feel comfortable he post a QB rating in the lows 80s, like what Alex Smith is doing.

When you look at what the Chiefs are asking the QB to do, there are a lot of guys who could pull that off. It's very limited.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:49 AM   #33
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Jason Campbell has posted QB ratings that exceed that of Alex Smith, currently, 4 times in his career. Including one season in which he was with a new team in a new offense.

Moore has never played a full season, but in the only year in which he had double digit starts, guess what? Higher QB rating than the one Alex Smith currently possesses.

Matt Flynn has never played any extended period of time, but the Chiefs would be asking him to do what he did in college (not mess up, manage the game). I feel comfortable he post a QB rating in the lows 80s, like what Alex Smith is doing.

When you look at what the Chiefs are asking the QB to do, there are a lot of guys who could pull that off. It's very limited.
If managing a game was as easy as you say, those guys would have won a lot more.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:50 AM   #34
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It's not just about this year's draft... it's about the continued decision making and approach.

Not taking a QB this year affects the team not just in 2013 but in 2015 and 2016, too. Just like not taking a QB in 2004 affected 2008, 2010 affects this year, etc.

If we had signed Smith as a FA? No problem. If they had traded less intense compensation for him? No problem.

I would much rather be sitting at 6-2 with Jason Campbell or Matt Flynn or Matt Moore or someone of that ilk, with the 2nd round pick either being groomed (if they like Geno Smith's potential) or being a useful piece that helps this year (WR/CB/ILB/ETC).

Doesn't really affect the team's upside at all this season, and has higher potential payoff down the road.
Well, Dorsey/Reid obviously didn't want to treat this as a rebuilding year, saw a defense that was championship caliber, and were willing to pay what it took to get a QB who makes good decisions and can lead a team. To this point, that looks to be a good decision.

I cannot believe anyone would think that any of those QBs you listed would have us sitting anywhere near 6-2. The defense is obviously the main reason we are 8-0, but Smith's decision making, getting the ball in Charles's hands and ability to move in the pocket and make plays with his legs are all reasons for this start.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:50 AM   #35
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I don't think you realize how shitty most of the QBs in the NFL actually are.

Good players at the QB position are very, very rare. You can argue only like 1/3 of the league has it.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:53 AM   #36
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Alex Smith definitly was the best option I think and we probaly wouldn't be where we are without him,he has to get some credit. Dude had bad seasons in SF as well,I do think he needs to be in the right system with the right pieces to be as effective. But I have no problem giving him another year and betttwer weapons. My concern is andy reids style of not caring to establish the run will keep him from ever becoming effective with the Chiefs. The coaching staff has gotten credit in using players in the right way where other coaches didn't. But has Andy Reid really played up to his players/offense strengths?Sutton has but not so sure about Reid

What you see is not hate though,its nervousness. Whenever Chiefs fans see the team doing well we feel like this is our one and only shot lol. And we've seen previous teams that were great fail because one side of the football had glaring weaknesses. So really its just Chiefs fans knowing our history lol.

Some folks are too negative but I assume they are trolling. But chiefs fans are just scared to show commitment and love after being hurt so much lol. But everybody is happy!
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:53 AM   #37
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If managing a game was as easy as you say, those guys would have won a lot more.
When has any of them been paired with a defensive unit as good as the one currently in KC?
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:55 AM   #38
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those numbers from those QBs are FOOLS GOLD

didn't you learn anything from Matt Cassel in NE. Inflated frauds. That's why they are backups.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:55 AM   #39
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I don't think you realize how shitty most of the QBs in the NFL actually are.

Good players at the QB position are very, very rare. You can argue only like 1/3 of the league has it.
and that third are regularly in the playoff hunt that have championship opportunities because of those QBs.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:57 AM   #40
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and that third are regularly in the playoff hunt that have championship opportunities because of those QBs.
I agree with that, but did you think Joe Flacco was going to blow by them all and win a championship?

Anything is possible.
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I agree with that, but did you think Joe Flacco was going to blow by them all and win a championship?

Anything is possible.


Yes, the kid is good
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:00 AM   #42
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I think fans are wary because we've seen this "one side of the ball" domination before.

I do think Andy Reid is not Marty though. This is the first time we've had a great D with an offensive minded coach.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:06 AM   #43
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I don't think you realize how shitty most of the QBs in the NFL actually are.

Good players at the QB position are very, very rare. You can argue only like 1/3 of the league has it.
I could name 20 guys right now that I would rather have than Alex Smith.

Alex Smith had a lot of critics here when we made the trade and he hasn't done much to win his critics over yet.

He still can't throw the deep ball with any effectiveness whatsoever and that is severely limiting our offense. I don't think anyone is out of line to continue to air the same grievances that they were airing before the season.
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Yes, the kid is good
Yeah, but he'd had some ugly playoff performances... and was a different QB in the playoffs last year. They limped into the playoffs. Look it up, in December they had a terrible record, at one point Flacco lost a game to Charlie Batch. Could you imagine the meltdown here?
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I don't think you realize how shitty most of the QBs in the NFL actually are.

Good players at the QB position are very, very rare. You can argue only like 1/3 of the league has it.
I don't think you realize how ordinary Alex Smith has been.

He's better than Matt Cassel/Brady Quinn, but that doesn't make him good.
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